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Post by spitthedog on Sept 25, 2013 11:15:08 GMT
Even Huddersfield played 10 reserves.
Can't see it lasting much longer. its just an inconvenience for most managers with the dominance of the Premier League.
It's like a corner shop competing against Tesco.
Sad because our League Cup win was our greatest moment!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 11:24:02 GMT
If they scrapped it then they'd most probably replace it with something else which would be treated in the same way by clubs who choose to field "weakened" sides to focus on their league campaign. So that's catch 22. Personally i can't see it being scrapped any time soon, it provides a decent amount of revenue for clubs especially for a club like Swindon for example who packed out their home ground for the visit of Chelsea last night. Bit of added glamour is always good for the game and the lower league teams especially. It also gives hope to a hell of a lot of teams who can realistically win it. Such as Swansea last season. If you can't win whatever league you're in, and say you're in the top flight as we are. Well we're not realistically aiming for the Europa places are we, therefore competitions such as the League Cup i believe are very important. Until we get knocked out and then they're mickey mouse, that gloes without saying!  With the luck of the draw and a bit of luck along the way then Stoke City as well as many others can win this bloody thing, so dunna scrap it because then what have we got left? Get knocked out of the FA Cup 3rd Round and so it's a season of trying to finish 10th? Maybe i'm greedy but i like a bit more than that. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 25, 2013 11:24:54 GMT
I think that the fact that winning the Europa League will soon get a Champions League spot might give it some sort of shot in the arm. Your mid table Prem sides might see it as a route into the cash cow.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2013 11:25:48 GMT
So what if they fielded reserves, people moan that youngsters aren't being given a go and here is a competition that they will get a chance in and it can lead to bigger things. They (the managers) conner win.
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Post by ruts66 on Sept 25, 2013 11:28:44 GMT
Win it and we're ordering our Euros again - that's not a bad incentive.
Valencia again, anyone... :-)
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Post by Bombus on Sept 25, 2013 11:31:11 GMT
Unfortunately, the League Cup has turned into some "Mickey Mouse-cup" in the last decade.
But at the same time, you do get the chance to qualify into Europe if you win it - which is some feat for most clubs in our league system.
That's why I still believe the League Cup will "survive" for a good while yet, but it will never get back to what it once was.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 25, 2013 11:43:02 GMT
Unfortunately, the League Cup has turned into some "Mickey Mouse-cup" in the last decade. But at the same time, you do get the chance to qualify into Europe if you win it - which is some feat for most clubs in our league system. That's why I still believe the League Cup will "survive" for a good while yet, but it will never get back to what it once was. The problem is the big clubs invariably come into it at the later stages, try to get through to the semi with a weakened team then bring out the big guns to win it. It just strikes as a competition full of compromises and little magic ( though Bradford would probably disagree with that) I was listening to a Five Live football programme where they were talking about Swansea. They were saying that although they have progressed they still haven't won anything and will probably never will. Then I think it was John Motson who reminded all the so called pundits that they had won the League Cup last season. The reaction was kind of ' well that's neither here nor there'! Apart from demonstrating that most pundits don't know their arse from elbow, it also shows the lack of worth attached to this competition. I would say this dismissive attitude towards is promoted by the higher end of the football hierarchy ( most pundits have played for the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool) and not the grass roots. |
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Post by ST5-POTTER on Sept 25, 2013 11:54:30 GMT
Should be set ticket prices from 1st round onwards at like £10 climbing £2 or £3 every round regardless of who is playing and the winners should get the 4th champions league spot. As they are the winners of the competition and not the 4th best team in the league.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 25, 2013 11:56:42 GMT
Should be set ticket prices from 1st round onwards at like £10 climbing £2 or £3 every round regardless of who is playing and the winners should get the 4th champions league spot. As they are the winners of the competition and not the 4th best team in the league. Making it bigger and better than the FA Cup? |
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Post by justinp on Sept 25, 2013 11:58:45 GMT
Should be set ticket prices from 1st round onwards at like £10 climbing £2 or £3 every round regardless of who is playing and the winners should get the 4th champions league spot. As they are the winners of the competition and not the 4th best team in the league. Hah, that's not a bad shout, the League, FA cup and League cup winners get the champions league spots, and 2nd place gets the champions league qualifying space. That'd make teams try a bit harder. |
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Post by gezzer on Sept 25, 2013 12:01:30 GMT
The League Cup is important to Premiership clubs for the fact that it gives second team/reserves a chance to gain proper match experience, that they would normally not get. Hopefully improving their confidence and showing the Manager what they may be capable of.
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Post by lordb on Sept 25, 2013 12:53:19 GMT
I think that the fact that winning the Europa League will soon get a Champions League spot might give it some sort of shot in the arm. Your mid table Prem sides might see it as a route into the cash cow. Not seen that. Would be a good move. |
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Post by santy on Sept 25, 2013 13:00:37 GMT
If they gave it a champions league spot (that competition that suggests you've won something to get in to it) it would all of a sudden be a much more interesting competition.
In truth though the Autoglass/Johnstone paint trophy or whatever name it goes by these days winners are more deserving of a spot in the champions league than a side like Arsenal who win that 4th place trophy each year.
It would ruin the finances of too many big clubs if they were relying on a lottery draw to get into the champion league though, the league cup would have to become seeded and ensure that none of the big teams could draw each other until later on in the competition.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 25, 2013 13:03:03 GMT
The League Cup is important to Premiership clubs for the fact that it gives second team/reserves a chance to gain proper match experience, that they would normally not get. Hopefully improving their confidence and showing the Manager what they may be capable of. I am questioning whether it is a proper match anymore? Hull played their second team against Huddersfield, and turned up to find Huddersfield were playing their second team too! |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 25, 2013 13:06:02 GMT
The League Cup is important to Premiership clubs for the fact that it gives second team/reserves a chance to gain proper match experience, that they would normally not get. Hopefully improving their confidence and showing the Manager what they may be capable of. With squad sizes in the Prem of 25 + U21 players, clubs do need competitive games to keep their players match fit. It also enables managers to try partnerships and tactical systems out. Clubs like ours can realistically only win the two Cup competitions (of which this is one) so it is not to be sniffed at. It also has one great advantage over the FA Cup in that the semi finals do not involve a Wembley visit. So, all in all I'm all in favour and the Europa spot is a nice bonus. What should be changed in my opinion, is that the FA Cup winners should be given the 4th Champions League place. |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 25, 2013 13:07:09 GMT
If they gave it a champions league spot (that competition that suggests you've won something to get in to it) it would all of a sudden be a much more interesting competition. In truth though the Autoglass/Johnstone paint trophy or whatever name it goes by these days winners are more deserving of a spot in the champions league than a side like Arsenal who win that 4th place trophy each year. It would ruin the finances of too many big clubs if they were relying on a lottery draw to get into the champion league though, the league cup would have to become seeded and ensure that none of the big teams could draw each other until later on in the competition. I think England should have 3 champions league spots. If we have to have 4 then runners up ( grudgingly!) League winners FA Cup winners League Cup winners 2nd, 3rd, 4 th and 5th in league in Europa League That would make for 3 very competitive competitions. |
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 25, 2013 16:10:26 GMT
Just couldn't happen, it would weaken the league and ensure seeding in the cups meaning it would be the same old teams anyway. Just wouldn't be worth the reversal of the competitions standards.
What they should do for me is the following:
1. Champions League
2. Champions League
3. Champions League Qualifier Playoff
4. Champions League Qualifier Playoff
5. Europa League
FA Cup Winner - Champions League Qualifier Playoff
League Cup Winner - Champions League Qualifier Playoff
The overall playoff winner gets Champions League qualification, the runner up gets Champions League Qualifer.
The 2 losing playoff teams get Europa League qualification.
Means there is a balance for both cup and league progress, whilst also adding a new and exciting element to the league.
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 25, 2013 16:12:21 GMT
Double post
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 25, 2013 16:44:06 GMT
Just couldn't happen, it would weaken the league and ensure seeding in the cups meaning it would be the same old teams anyway. Just wouldn't be worth the reversal of the competitions standards. What they should do for me is the following: 1. Champions League 2. Champions League 3. Champions League Qualifier Playoff 4. Champions League Qualifier Playoff 5. Europa League FA Cup Winner - Champions League Qualifier Playoff League Cup Winner - Champions League Qualifier Playoff The overall playoff winner gets Champions League qualification, the runner up gets Champions League Qualifer. The 2 losing playoff teams get Europa League qualification. Means there is a balance for both cup and league progress, whilst also adding a new and exciting element to the league. I just don't think a team that finishes 2nd, 3rd or 4 th in a league should be allowed in a competition called the Champions League! Call me old fashioned! |
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 25, 2013 16:47:58 GMT
Just couldn't happen, it would weaken the league and ensure seeding in the cups meaning it would be the same old teams anyway. Just wouldn't be worth the reversal of the competitions standards. What they should do for me is the following: 1. Champions League 2. Champions League 3. Champions League Qualifier Playoff 4. Champions League Qualifier Playoff 5. Europa League FA Cup Winner - Champions League Qualifier Playoff League Cup Winner - Champions League Qualifier Playoff The overall playoff winner gets Champions League qualification, the runner up gets Champions League Qualifer. The 2 losing playoff teams get Europa League qualification. Means there is a balance for both cup and league progress, whilst also adding a new and exciting element to the league. I just don't think a team that finishes 2nd, 3rd or 4 th in a league should be allowed in a competition called the Champions League! Call me old fashioned! OK - you are old fashioned! |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 25, 2013 17:33:48 GMT
I just don't think a team that finishes 2nd, 3rd or 4 th in a league should be allowed in a competition called the Champions League! Call me old fashioned! OK - you are old fashioned! Old fashioned is calling the Capital One Cup the League cup, Football League Cup 1982–1986 Dairy Crest; Milk Cup 1986–1990 Littlewoods; Littlewoods Challenge Cup 1990–1992 Rumbelows ; Rumbelows Cup 1992–1998 Coca-Cola ; Coca-Cola Cup 1998–2003 Worthington's; Worthington Cup 2003–2012 Molson Coors ; Carling Cup 2012–2016 Capital One ; Capital One Cup If Disney sponsor it could be the Mickey Mouse cup I agree that the Champions League should be confined to Champions But to make you happy you are old fashioned! |
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Post by ST5-POTTER on Sept 26, 2013 6:58:42 GMT
For me it should be
1st place prem - Champs league
2nd place prem - Champs league
Winner of FA Cup - Champs league play off
Winner of League cup - champs league play off
Finishing 3rd - 6th in Prem Europa at best.
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Post by foster on Sept 26, 2013 7:34:02 GMT
I think that the fact that winning the Europa League will soon get a Champions League spot might give it some sort of shot in the arm. Your mid table Prem sides might see it as a route into the cash cow. Not seen that. Would be a good move. I doubt many teams would have much chance in winning the League Cup one season and then the Europa league the next. Playing in the Europa league and winning an actual trophy is incentive enough. Some clubs might not value the LC but imo it's not as 'mickey mouse' as is being made out in this thread. These clubs being either - a) Champions League clubs, or b) too shit to win it anyway |
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Post by foster on Sept 26, 2013 7:35:07 GMT
For me it should be 1st place prem - Champs league 2nd place prem - Champs league Winner of FA Cup - Champs league play off Winner of League cup - champs league play off Finishing 3rd - 6th in Prem Europa at best. It'll never happen, the top Prem teams would never allow it. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 26, 2013 8:43:47 GMT
I dare say if you ask an Arsenal fan they see the real value in this competition. Their teenagers (and Bendtner - snigger) bagged a great win last night and showcased their youth policy. I can't see it being cancelled any time soon.
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