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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 22, 2013 14:37:28 GMT
Bego - 6- could have done better for the first and third goals. Not at his best. Cameron - 8.5 - good goal. Good performance. Not a foot wrong today. MoM Ryan - 7.5 - good game. Didn't let the Arse scum get to him. Why wasn't he taking Mertesacker for the corner? Huth - 7 - Stupid booking Pieters - 7 - solid. Decent going forwards Nzonzi - 7 - another good showing Wilson - 7 - solid at LB. Decent holding Adam - 5 - one of his poorest performances. Just didn't work for him today. Arnie - 7 - very promising. Kenwyn - 5 - very poor. Just didn't look interested especially in the second half (don't know if the knock affected him). Walters - 5.5 - at fault for two of the goals. His lack of pace meant he missed out on getting on the end of so may balls.
Palacios - 7 - decent. JP - 6.5 Ireland - 6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 14:40:30 GMT
Spot on mate. Agree word for word.
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Post by Jimm on Sept 22, 2013 14:41:09 GMT
Couldn't argue
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 22, 2013 14:43:07 GMT
Begovic 6 Cameron 8 Ryan 7 Huth 7 Pieters 6.5 Wilson 5 Adam 3 N'Zonzi 8 Walters 4 Kenwyne 5 Arnie 6.5
Palacios 7 Ireland 7 Pennant 6
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2013 14:44:28 GMT
Pretty much agree.
Kenwyne, Adam and Walters were the disappointments (Adam majorly so) although Walters gave his customary shift and a half.
I'd give N'Zonzi the same 8.5 as Cameron though. I thought he looked a real Rolls Royce in the second half, accepting the ball in all areas, his touch was excellent and he was quite progressive with his passing and showed some drive
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 14:50:29 GMT
Can,t believe we let them score two headers. Bego 5 for me. Arsenal weren't,t all that good today methinks. Disappointed, to say the least.
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Post by musik on Sept 22, 2013 14:52:47 GMT
I missed nout then.
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Post by borat on Sept 22, 2013 14:53:12 GMT
Bego 5 Cam 7 Ryan 5 Huth 5 Pieters 6 Adam 2 Wilson 6 N zonzi 6 Arnie 7 motm Walters 3 Jones 5
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Post by mvtt on Sept 22, 2013 14:53:44 GMT
Bego - 6- could have done better for the first and third goals. Not at his best. Cameron - 8.5 - good goal. Good performance. Not a foot wrong today. MoM Ryan - 7.5 - good game. Didn't let the Arse scum get to him. Why wasn't he taking Mertesacker for the corner? Huth - 7 - Stupid booking Pieters - 7 - solid. Decent going forwards Nzonzi - 7 - another good showing Wilson - 7 - solid at LB. Decent holding Adam - 5 - one of his poorest performances. Just didn't work for him today. Arnie - 7 - very promising. Kenwyn - 5 - very poor. Just didn't look interested especially in the second half (don't know if the knock affected him). Walters - 5.5 - at fault for two of the goals. His lack of pace meant he missed out on getting on the end of so may balls. Palacios - 7 - decent. JP - 6.5 Ireland - 6 mostly agree. I think Nzonzi deserves at least a 7.5 though. Walters deserves a 5 or lower (probably 4.5), and your comments seem to agree more with this than the 5.5 you gave him
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 14:55:19 GMT
Bego 5 Cameron 8 Shawcross 5 Huth 6 Pieters 6 Adam 4 Wilson 6 N'Zonzi 7 Arnie 7 Walters 5 Jones 5
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Post by spongebobflathead on Sept 22, 2013 14:56:03 GMT
Bego 5 Pieters 6 Cameron 8 Shawcross 7 Huth 7 Wilson 6 Adam 5 Arnie 6.5 Nzonzi 8 mom Walters 5 Jones 5.5
Palacios 7 Ireland 7 Pennant 6
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Post by stokemanusa on Sept 22, 2013 14:59:13 GMT
Bego - 6- could have done better for the first and third goals. Not at his best. Cameron - 8.5 - good goal. Good performance. Not a foot wrong today. MoM Ryan - 7.5 - good game. Didn't let the Arse scum get to him. Why wasn't he taking Mertesacker for the corner? Huth - 7 - Stupid booking Pieters - 7 - solid. Decent going forwards Nzonzi - 7 - another good showing Wilson - 7 - solid at LB. Decent holding Adam - 5 - one of his poorest performances. Just didn't work for him today. Arnie - 7 - very promising. Kenwyn - 5 - very poor. Just didn't look interested especially in the second half (don't know if the knock affected him). Walters - 5.5 - at fault for two of the goals. His lack of pace meant he missed out on getting on the end of so may balls. Palacios - 7 - decent. JP - 6.5 Ireland - 6 Spot on but you forgot that Cameron finish... Better than our strikers have shown so far this season lol I'd say pennant was a 5 and Ireland 6.5 he sorted midfield with Nzonzi after the mess Adam was taken off. KJ was a 5.5 he offered as much as Walters this match and that was fuck all. Adam missed him twice with runs and after that KJ was like fuck it... Lol Best thing besides Cameron bossing it was WP looking great!
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 22, 2013 14:59:18 GMT
Walters is a bit slow, but I thought his hold up play was solid. If we got the ball up to him we tended to keep it and often he gave it to someone who was going forward so it didn't kill our attack. I thought Nzonzi killed too many with his weird occasional fear of going forwards. He's great, but sometimes he lacks that aggressive instinct.
I think Adam and Kenwyne were probably our worst performers today. Arnie and Cameron our best and I reckon Palacios looked good. One of his best sub performances, he looked faster and sharper than I've seen him in a Stoke shirt and he was willing to run forwards with the ball.
We're desperate for someone who can challenge Kenwyne for a place. Once again I thought we could really have used CJ.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 15:00:57 GMT
Bego - 4 Worst game he's had for me Gift wrapped first goal bad position for the last. Cameron - 9 Really detirmined attitude and some great ability excellent Ryan - 6 Adequate some poor defending especially silly shirt pulling, we can not afford easy free kicks at prem level. Huth - 5 Same as Shawcross, could easily have got 2 yellows today just silly things. Pieters - 6 solid performance for me nowt special. Nzonzi - 7 Some great play making, occasionally looks in two minds but capable of winning a game I like him Wilson - 6 trying hard and remember is still getting used to the position again good effort. Adam - 4 piss poor today needs to lose the attitude and half a stone for me. Arnie - 7 Looked a real threat and has a good eye for goal, keep him sane and we have a player Kenwyn - 3 Has never been good enough at this level, better at home or in a cup match with the crowd behind him. Walters - 4 good engine, but it's diesel slow and predestrian keep as a utillity player only for me.
Palacios - 6 looked much fitter and perhaps more importantly more interested Pennant - 5 Always looks class had one or two lapses in concentration today Ireland - 5 Didn't really see enough of him, but what he did was ok.
Hughes - 7 I get it that he's trying hard not to upset the natives too much by keping some of the old guard. despite that we played a game at Arsenal and tried to win it showing some good quality and I'm sure winning some more friends with neutral fans and critics. Brave subs and thought we deserved a point from the game .
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Post by stokemanusa on Sept 22, 2013 15:01:52 GMT
Walters is a bit slow, but I thought his hold up play was solid. If we got the ball up to him we tended to keep it and often he gave it to someone who was going forward so it didn't kill our attack. I thought Nzonzi killed too many with his weird occasional fear of going forwards. He's great, but sometimes he lacks that aggressive instinct. I think Adam and Kenwyne were probably our worst performers today. Arnie and Cameron our best and I reckon Palacios looked good. One of his best sub performances, he looked faster and sharper than I've seen him in a Stoke shirt and he was willing to run forwards with the ball. We're desperate for someone who can challenge Kenwyne for a place. Once again I thought we could really have used CJ. I agree. We need pace on the right wing and at striker it's all in that really.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 22, 2013 15:08:06 GMT
Bego - 6- could have done better for the first and third goals. Not at his best. Cameron - 9 - good goal. Good performance. Not a foot wrong today. MoM Ryan - 7.5 - good game. Didn't let the Arse scum get to him. Why wasn't he taking Mertesacker for the corner? Huth - 7.5 - OK to take a booking in those situations Pieters - 6.5 - solid, but gave away too many free kicks in dangerous positions. Decent going forwards Nzonzi - 7.5 - another good showing Wilson - 7.5 - solid performance Adam - 5 - one of his poorest performances. Just didn't work for him today. Arnie - 7 - very promising. Kenwyn - 6 - Not at his best today! Shocking touch when he received the pass from Huth. Walters - 6 - at fault for the first goals. His lack of pace meant he missed out on getting on the end of so may balls. Palacios - 7 - decent. JP - 6.5 OK Ireland - 6 OK Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/220268/player-ratings#ixzz2fdN4Q54Q
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Post by thehoof on Sept 22, 2013 15:08:12 GMT
!. Begovic - 6 Should have done better with the first goal - don't really think he could have dome much with the 3rd. 2. Cameron - 8 Man of the match for us. 3. Pieters - 7 Defensively did ok, but some of his passing reminded me of Higgy today 4. Huth - 7 Along with Shawcross pretty much kept Arsenal quiet in open play - God knows who was supposed to be marking Meertesacker, I think it must have been Jones or N'zonzi? Plus a great body check on the Arsenal Pretty Thing. 5. Shawcross - 7, Did nothing wrong at all 6 Adam - 4.5 Awful.One paced, poor decision making time after time. 7.Wilson - 7- looked composed, good effort from distance. 8. N'zonzi -7.5 -If he showed the same sort of composure 5 yards away from the opposition box, as he does 5 yards away from his own box, he would not be at stoke. 9. Arnautovic -7.5 Our only forward player who looked capable of controlling the ball or beating a man. 10. Jones -5 One day he's sublime, the next he's ridiculous. Today he was the latter - looked slow, poor touch,generally disinterested. 11.Walters - 4.5 Usual offering - ran his balls off, showed the same awareness for Ramsey's goal as he usually displays in the opposition's box, chased back to concede a needless free-kick for the 3rd goal and then compounded the error by allowing (with Pieters) Sagna to have a free header.
Subs: Ireland - 4.5 on a par with Adam Palacios - 6.5 OK but not asked to do anything special. Pennant - 6 a couple of poor corners, but he looked as quick as anyone else up front.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 22, 2013 15:11:18 GMT
Walters another low score out of ten,but will play again next week.
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 22, 2013 15:13:30 GMT
Begovic-6 Cameron-9 Huth- 7 Shawcross- 7.5 Pieters- 7 Wilson- 7.5 Nzonzi- 7.5 Adam- 6 Walters- 6 Jones- 6.5 Arnautovic- 7.5
Ireland 6.5 Palacios 7 Pennant 6
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 22, 2013 15:40:17 GMT
Bego-6 Cameron-8 Huth-7 Shawcross-8 Pieters-7 Wilson-7 Nzonzi-8 Adam-5 Walters-4(MINUS) Jones-6 Arnautovic-8
Ireland-5 Palacios-6 Pennant-6
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on Sept 22, 2013 16:09:07 GMT
I thought Nzonzi killed too many with his weird occasional fear of going forwards. He's great, but sometimes he lacks that aggressive instinct. He's French. Lack of aggression and retreating are instincts built into his system from birth.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 22, 2013 16:18:12 GMT
I thought Nzonzi killed too many with his weird occasional fear of going forwards. He's great, but sometimes he lacks that aggressive instinct. He's French. Lack of aggression and retreating are instincts built into his system from birth. Arnie or Huth should be able to sort him out then.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 22, 2013 16:20:41 GMT
Bego 5 Cameron 8 Shawcross 5 Huth 6 Pieters 6 Adam 4 Wilson 6 N'Zonzi 7 Arnie 7 Walters 5 Jones 5 I agree, my interpretation of the game
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Post by mattythestokie on Sept 22, 2013 16:24:47 GMT
Begovic 6 Cameron 8 Huth 7 Shawcross 7 Pieters 7 Walters 6 N'zonzi 8 Adam 5 Wilson 6.5 Arnautovic 7 Jones 6
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 22, 2013 16:29:34 GMT
I would give Adam a 1 and that is purely for being able to tie his shoelaces. He clearly had his boots on the wrong feet and his performance didn't merit a single point for either endeavour or ability.
For me we had 4 players who were supposed to carry our attacking threat. Arnie, Adam, KJ and Walters. Sadly for us, only one of them bothered turning in anything like a performance.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 22, 2013 16:29:55 GMT
Think the defence is being treated quite generously by quite a few folk on here; conceding three goals from set pieces is really poor.
Shame because apart from that the defence was solid.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 22, 2013 16:31:12 GMT
I agree with most of the ratings but Ryan deserves more marks - he was imperious.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 22, 2013 17:16:22 GMT
Think the defence is being treated quite generously by quite a few folk on here; conceding three goals from set pieces is really poor. Shame because apart from that the defence was solid. Whose fault were the goals? Bego on the first, and Geoff (?) could have started running to mop up the rebound earlier, but Walters and Wilson (?) were supposed to be covering the other goalscorers weren't they? I only saw one replay so maybe I missed it, but of our defenders: Shawcross and Huth seemed to do their normal solid job, and prevented them from making almost anything from open play. Pieters was alright and Cameron was MoM IMO. I would find it a bit mean to give them low marks...
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 22, 2013 17:44:40 GMT
Think the defence is being treated quite generously by quite a few folk on here; conceding three goals from set pieces is really poor. Shame because apart from that the defence was solid. Whose fault were the goals? Bego on the first, and Geoff (?) could have started running to mop up the rebound earlier, but Walters and Wilson (?) were supposed to be covering the other goalscorers weren't they? I only saw one replay so maybe I missed it, but of our defenders: Shawcross and Huth seemed to do their normal solid job, and prevented them from making almost anything from open play. Pieters was alright and Cameron was MoM IMO. I would find it a bit mean to give them low marks... First one I agree; Bego should have pushed it away from goal and SJW was caught ball watching. The second one should give Shawcross and Huth pause for thought particularly as they had an identical situation a few minutes before that second goal was scored. Very unusual to see such simple set pieces cause us o much if faulty. Third one I can't really remember; I couldn't see through my tears!
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 22, 2013 18:14:04 GMT
First one I agree; Bego should have pushed it away from goal and SJW was caught ball watching. The second one should give Shawcross and Huth pause for thought particularly as they had an identical situation a few minutes before that second goal was scored. Very unusual to see such simple set pieces cause us o much if faulty. Third one I can't really remember; I couldn't see through my tears! I'm pissed we got done by 3 set pieces too. I'm hoping it's a bit freaky though. Those looped headers are fucking hard to pull off properly and hopefully we won't see too many repeats. Normally headers from those positions with the players balanced like that just don't go in easily.
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