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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2013 12:41:42 GMT
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. We should just boycott the whole thing in light of these developments. These corrupt arseholes will never change unless action is taken. Some things are more important than football. How as fans can we boycott it? I wasn't planning on going anyway. We could not watch it on tv but I know I wouldn't be able to resist the urge. Other than badgering the FA to boycott it, I don't think there's much we could actually do.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 4, 2013 12:45:17 GMT
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. We should just boycott the whole thing in light of these developments. These corrupt arseholes will never change unless action is taken. Some things are more important than football. How as fans can we boycott it? I wasn't planning on going anyway. We could not watch it on tv but I know I wouldn't be able to resist the urge. Other than badgering the FA to boycott it, I don't think there's much we could actually do. Not a boycott but still a voice, however small ... www.rerunthevote.org/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 13:10:31 GMT
This is the whole point about FIFA. Their membership can be manipulated and configured like Plasticine. They can be influenced individually or collectively like sheep, whether voting in blocks or as strategic groups. They can also misdirect (Blatter didn't use his vote for Qatar). Essentially these member votes can be configured in any way to rig the specific outcome of any vote, whilst giving outsiders the impression that FIFA is using the highest form of democratic expression. Bollocks is it!
It's not that Blatter's corrupt, Christ he couldn't tie his own shoelaces, it's the membership structure and how it can operate as a single entity to facilitate the delivery of any non-democratic outcome FIFA chooses.
To assess a nations worthiness and capability of holding a World Cup, something like 208 of these FIFA members get jetted here, there and everywhere, 1st class as special guests of the state. They are immaculately chauffeured and entertained in the finest hotels and venues. They are also the recipients of the most lavish hospitality on earth and possess huge corporate expense accounts themselves.
That's when they're not taking 2 week holidays aboard the Royal Yacht with all the champagne, caviar, fois gras, lobster and female accompaniments they can eat. This is the life of an elected FIFA member. All they have to do in return is take a little strategic direction from head office on how they should actually vote.
This is exactly what happens when you get a bunch of Germans running the show. It's just like the EU. They bend and twist the law, override democracy and protocol purely because they think they know best.
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Post by lordb on Oct 4, 2013 13:13:13 GMT
Given this is almost certainly going to happen will the FA & the Premier League start making the relevant plans or will they stall & try & wing it come 2022?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 4, 2013 13:29:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 13:43:40 GMT
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. We should just boycott the whole thing in light of these developments. These corrupt arseholes will never change unless action is taken. Some things are more important than football. How as fans can we boycott it? I wasn't planning on going anyway. We could not watch it on tv but I know I wouldn't be able to resist the urge. Other than badgering the FA to boycott it, I don't think there's much we could actually do. I meant the national team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 14:26:01 GMT
The potato is simply too hot right now. They'll wait for a natural disaster and bury it in the sub-headlines. Guaranteed.
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Post by onionman on Oct 4, 2013 16:58:21 GMT
The potato is simply too hot right now. They'll wait for a natural disaster and bury it in the sub-headlines. Guaranteed. If I was FIFA I would just announce it in the aftermath of Luis Suarez's next incident. How could your average football pundit's brain possibly process the ramifications of both things at the same time?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 21:13:02 GMT
The potato is simply too hot right now. They'll wait for a natural disaster and bury it in the sub-headlines. Guaranteed. If I was FIFA I would just announce it in the aftermath of Luis Suarez's next incident. How could your average football pundit's brain possibly process the ramifications of both things at the same time? Even better!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 21:49:29 GMT
The potato is simply too hot right now. They'll wait for a natural disaster and bury it in the sub-headlines. Guaranteed. "Tonight we've learned that FIFA have finally moved the Qatar World Cup to December 2021 and UEFA have agreed that all European League games will be scrapped for the whole of the 2021/22 season. But our main news tonight is the needle match between Arsenal and Stoke City where seven years after his career was almost ruined by Ryan Shawcross, Aaron Ramsey continues his remarkable recovery..."
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 5, 2013 8:04:29 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 5, 2013 8:51:52 GMT
That's when they're not taking 2 week holidays aboard the Royal Yacht with all the champagne, caviar, fois gras, lobster and female accompaniments they can eat. This is the life of an elected FIFA member. All they have to do in return is take a little strategic direction from head office on how they should actually vote.
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I want some of this, where do I sign!?!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 5, 2013 9:03:20 GMT
What an absolute travesty of morality. They delay the decision to ensure that a full consultation process can be made with the main stakeholders. I know let's ask all those countries who are benefitting directly from construction, consultancy and provision of material if the WC 22 should be changed to winter/ cancelled/ moved to different venue. Blatter classically buries his head in the sand regarding the treatment of immigrant construction workers " we cannot interfere with the labour rights of any country.......". The only way to change this, IMO, is for major TV companies to refuse to cover the tournament which will make WC22 completely irrelevant.
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 10, 2013 12:32:41 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 10, 2013 13:26:28 GMT
The sound of money talking
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 13, 2013 12:02:41 GMT
Blatter makes Stalin look soft and amatuerish. For many years he's led an organisation which has been proven to be riddled with corruption. Under Blatter's watch committee members have been ousted death threats made and the current chaotic shambles rose. Yet he remains in complete control.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 13, 2013 19:51:46 GMT
This is all well and good, and fairly conclusive. But the article fails to address a fundamental question about an issue it mentions in the very first sentence. Why does FIFA need any credibility? The answer is.....it doesn't. It can operate without it and always has done. We can say, we should do this or that, or whatever? Who is going to do what? This article shows that the FA are of the same stock. Don't hold your breath!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 9, 2013 19:03:15 GMT
Joseph S Blatter ?@seppblatter 4h 3 point mission to Qatar now complete: #1 reconfirmed to Emir & PM that 2022 #WorldCup will be played in Qatar (& NOT shared with anyone)
Joseph S Blatter ?@seppblatter 4h #2 Discussed possible change to 2022 dates. Consultation process must continue, but Jan/Feb ruled out to avoid Winter Olympics clash
Joseph S Blatter ?@seppblatter 4h #3 Received full report from authorities & BWI (Building & Wood Workers International) union on efforts to improve working conditions. (1/2)
Joseph S Blatter ?@seppblatter 4h #3 continued - I really encourage people to see these efforts to improve working conditions themselves, before forming opinions. (2/2)
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 10, 2013 5:20:49 GMT
Sepp Blatter has pledged to seek explanations from Qatari authorities regarding the continuing controversy surrounding the 2022 World Cup. His posturing and talk may be an attempt to recover some integrity. If his organisation is to regain any credibility at all he needs to assert governance and strip Qatar of hosting rights and re-open the bidding process….. before resigning.
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Post by rawli on Nov 10, 2013 6:06:06 GMT
Sepp Blatter has pledged to seek explanations from Qatari authorities regarding the continuing controversy surrounding the 2022 World Cup. His posturing and talk may be an attempt to recover some integrity. If his organisation is to regain any credibility at all he needs to assert governance and strip Qatar of hosting rights and re-open the bidding process….. before resigning. If they stop Qatar from hosting it might come out how they won it in the first place. Can't see FIFA countenancing that.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 10, 2013 11:19:43 GMT
I know Rawli and that's why they will cling to Qatar like grim death. Remember though all is not lost. Tenacious investigative journalism and the public’s clamour for truth and justice saw Lance Armstrong exposed as the cheat he’s been. It’d be easy to see the Armstrong case in isolation but the clamour for truth over football’s administrators is just as strong. Resilient journalism and public pressure can yet shake the complaceny of those who hide away in Swiss ivory towers. It may be a long drawn out struggle but the Lance Armstrong story proves it can be done. Remember too, people have the power.
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Post by lordb on Nov 10, 2013 12:51:59 GMT
Not Jan/Feb time then.
Nov/Dec time most likely or March/April?
I'd have thought March/April would be less of a disruption for the European leagues?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 14:04:41 GMT
It will be the shittest World Cup ever no matter what time of year they hold it. In the winter there are no blue skies either. Just dust clouds off the desert. Qatar is a frigging desert! There's no football culture, no home fan base. If it was between Qatar and the Moon, I couldn't call it. Both have no atmosphere.
You need your head testing to go and watch football out there. When Formula 1 runs in Abu Dhabi, even the locals only spend an hour maximum outside before they dash back into the A/C lounges. That race starts at 5pm as well. Arabs don't like Western sport and they're pretty useless at our version of it. If it's too hot for us it's too hot for them. And if there's no A/C they won't bother at all. They're not daft, far from it.
However, attempt to take on any Arab in a vertical hill climb on a sand dune, you will get your arse badly, badly kicked. That's why Liwa Hill (the massive UAE sand dune) get's 50,000 locals each year and the biggest Touring Car Competition in the world (Aussie V8's) had more security guards than spectators last time out at the worlds most expensive motor circuit in Abu Dhabi. Less than 1500 showed up, more than half of those were western expats. Arabs are just not interested in the western crap that we are fed with.
Liwa Hill is a totally brilliant event though. Proper hardcore Arab. The muscle they run is simply the best.
Bring it on. I can't wait to see this World Cup Circus. If they can just preserve Blatter's Michelin Man physique for another ten years, just long enough to wheel the idiot out at a half empty World Cup Final, i'll finally die happy. That's the only way things will ever change. Even then they'll fill the empty stadia with 3-D crowds. They've been doing that at the Bahrain F1 for years.
Here's the full house at Bahrain on raceday.
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 12, 2013 9:59:06 GMT
You need your head testing to go and watch football out there. When Formula 1 runs in Abu Dhabi, even the locals only spend an hour maximum outside before they dash back into the A/C lounges. That race starts at 5pm as well. Arabs don't like Western sport and they're pretty useless at our version of it. If it's too hot for us it's too hot for them. And if there's no A/C they won't bother at all. They're not daft, far from it. That's not true **************. I've played in footy teams in Dubai (5s and 11s) who have been torn apart by teams UAE youths. They're serious about sport development and plough money into it (at least in Dubai and Abu Dhabi). That said, it's still a daft region to hold a world cup Your point re. empty stadia is a good one though. At the golf in Dubai they're desperate for it to not look empty so they give away free tickets (you can pretty much just walk in). It's one of the very few places that you can walk around publicly with a beer in your hand - they know that will draw the western ex-pats.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 16:41:31 GMT
You need your head testing to go and watch football out there. When Formula 1 runs in Abu Dhabi, even the locals only spend an hour maximum outside before they dash back into the A/C lounges. That race starts at 5pm as well. Arabs don't like Western sport and they're pretty useless at our version of it. If it's too hot for us it's too hot for them. And if there's no A/C they won't bother at all. They're not daft, far from it. That's not true **************. I've played in footy teams in Dubai (5s and 11s) who have been torn apart by teams UAE youths. They're serious about sport development and plough money into it (at least in Dubai and Abu Dhabi). That said, it's still a daft region to hold a world cup Your point re. empty stadia is a good one though. At the golf in Dubai they're desperate for it to not look empty so they give away free tickets (you can pretty much just walk in). It's one of the very few places that you can walk around publicly with a beer in your hand - they know that will draw the western ex-pats. Although I worked in F1 and lived in the UAE for 5 years, but I never played the football out there so i'll take your point. Through the lads I worked with, my impression with the football crazy Arabs was that they were mainly expat Syrians, Jordanians etc as these fellas seem to straddle both Arabic and Western culture without any issue. Typically these guys would be the ones wearing casual jeans and a shirt to work. Aside from the few who studied in Europe and the US, the Emirati and the Qatari nationals who wore the dish-dash to work, never seemed to be remotely interested in Western culture or it's sport. Khaldoon Al Mubarak was my former boss as Chairman of ManCity and of Abu Dhabi's F1 management team ADMM. Now he is football mad. Nice man, sharp as a razor too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 14, 2013 17:25:19 GMT
Not Jan/Feb time then. Nov/Dec time most likely or March/April? I'd have thought March/April would be less of a disruption for the European leagues? It'd completely fuck the Champions League up wouldn't it? Platini wouldn't have that.
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 14, 2013 17:55:48 GMT
Not Jan/Feb time then. G Nov/Dec time most likely or March/April? I'd have thought March/April would be less of a disruption for the European leagues? It'd completely fuck the Champions League up wouldn't it? Platini wouldn't have that. We could try to avoid Stoke qualifying so it wouldn't matter.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 14, 2013 20:27:43 GMT
Good job BT's contract will be over then. Sky can have the $#!t to deal with. Cricket anyone!?!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 14, 2013 20:38:37 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 14, 2013 21:05:57 GMT
It should have been Australia, sit and imagine it for a second
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