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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 22, 2014 21:30:20 GMT
Just watching Gerrard in the press conference today and he looks like a broken man.
Says he's broken and devastated and needs to get away on holiday and spend a few weeks considering his international future.
Now imagine if this World Cup was taking place in the middle of our season in the winter (as proposed for Qatar 2022), then Gerrard would be expected to fly home and immediately continue Liverpool's campaign to win the Premiership/Champions League and that's from a player who's only played two games in the World Cup so far, imagine if he'd got to the semi-finals - he might need a month to recover?
When you take into account how much preparation time and friendlies was needed before the World Cup even started, then the five weeks needed to actually hold the tournament itself and then factor in the time that the players would need to 'recover' from having actually competed in it - do people genuinely believe that we can hold a tournament in the middle of a normal European football season?
It's an absolute nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 21:34:32 GMT
I can't foresee the 2022 world cup happening in qatar. I'm certain that governments will intervene and obviously there have been suggestions the US government will get involved. When I say intervene I mean on the basis of the clear evidence of corruption. surely there will be another bidding process
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 23, 2014 7:21:24 GMT
If they have to start bidding again, surely the best countries to hold the 2022 World cup, would be the ones where no new stadiums need to be built,which would put England in a good position,along with the USA.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 23, 2014 7:38:01 GMT
If they have to start bidding again, surely the best countries to hold the 2022 World cup, would be the ones where no new stadiums need to be built,which would put England in a good position,along with the USA. You'd be right if we were talking about the 2018 World Cup but 2022 is 8 years away so I wouldn't bar any bidder who needed to build stadia. However, as this year's cup in Brazil has shown, FIFA need to award the World Cup to countries who have a track record of a) showing they can deliver on time and b) will be building stadia which actually will be fully used after the cup is over. South Africa, Brazil and Qatar have all, to varying degrees, shown they are willing to build at least some "white elephant" stadia. The new World Cup Arena Pantanal in Cuiaba in Brazil, for example, holds 38,000 - the local club normally gets 1,000 spectators *. Finding another 37,000 fans for league games is going to take some doing. * source - Radio Times.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 17:02:40 GMT
Yes but Qatar came up with some great 3-D renderings and bullshit solutions:
Top 2 tiers of all stadia to be given to Africa after WC. Scrapped due to it being too expensive.
All Stadia to be Air Conditioned. Scrapped due to it being physically impossible.
"What do you mean we have to have 6 cities to host a World Cup?" "OK we'll build 4, how's that?" Again scrapped.
If it gets too warm, we'll just seed the clouds. We can make it rain...it just goes on and on.
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 23, 2014 17:11:48 GMT
Yes but Qatar came up with some great 3-D renderings and bullshit solutions: Top 2 tiers of all stadia to be given to Africa after WC. Scrapped due to it being too expensive. All Stadia to be Air Conditioned. Scrapped due to it being physically impossible. "What do you mean we have to have 6 cities to host a World Cup?" "OK we'll build 4, how's that?" Again scrapped. If it gets too warm, we'll just seed the clouds. We can make it rain...it just goes on and on. if you could pull off the A/C design cliff i'd be proper impressed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 17:14:34 GMT
Shouldn't be too difficult, as there'll only be about 230 people there anyway.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 2, 2014 20:33:20 GMT
Another piece from Private Eye that some might find interesting:
BBC viewers with long memories may be surprised to see the Qatar World Cup bribes scandal being reported by sports editor David Bond. Can this be the same David Bond who in July 2011 broadcast a "Newsnight special report" dismissing as baseless the allegations that Doha billionaires had paid bribes to acquire the 2022 tournament?
There were rumours of bribery from the moment Qatar won the right to host the World Cup, at the end of 2010. The suspicions were then confirmed by a whistleblower, Phaedra Almajid, formerly a member of the Qatar bid team. She claimed to have been in a hotel suite in Luanda in 2010 when Qatar's bid leaders negotiated $1.5 million bribes with three members of Fifa's executive.
From early in 2011, BBC Panorama reporters spent hours talking with Ms Almajid. As time went by, however, she told them of increasing pressure to recant and threats to take her away from her children and seize a property she owned in Dubai. If she changed her story, she said, she would be given a comfort letter promising no further action.
Hacks from the Sunday Times Insight team were also listening to her. In may 2011 they gave a detailed account of her claims in a memo to the culture, media and sport select committee. Protected by parliamentary privilege, this was widely reported. The Qataris were in big trouble. They hired lawyers in London and Washington and former News of the World editor Phil Hall to massage the media. But what they most needed was a reputable news organisation to broadcast their version of the story.
Step forward...David Bond, who was persuaded to travel to Doha in July 2011. Once there, he was led to a phone and filmed calling a number in America. Waiting on the line was Ms. Almajid, who confessed that her "lies had gone too far". She added: "There was never anything suspicious or any wrongdoing on Qatar's part. I cannot tell you how sorry I am."
Bond and his Newsnight team saw no need to fly to America and film her face-to-face. There appears to have been no attempt to check the story independently. The Qataris assured Bond "that they didn't place her under any pressure or pay her to retract her story". So it must be true: no bribery by Qatar. On his BBC sports blog, Bond suggested: "Her decision to retract her story could be embarrassing for the select committee who last week published a report on the 2017 and 2022 World Cup bids in which the MPs accused Fifa of treating corruption allegations with an 'approach bordering on contempt'." More bliss for Qatar.
His Qatari hosts gave him a copy of what they said was her confession, written in stilted legalistic phrases, in a Word document. If Bond had clicked on the file's "Properties", however, he would have discovered that it had been drafted by a senior partner in the London office of lawyers Olswang.
For nearly two years, Ms Almajid has been telling anyone who will listen that she was coerced into her retraction. The FBI is said to have recordings of some of the threats and fascinating video from a hotel lobby. Maybe Newsnight would consider talking to Panorama and then making another film.
Fittingly, David Bond is soon to leave the BBC for a new job at the PR firm Milltown Partners, specialising in "reputation management".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 1:33:57 GMT
Unfortunately Qatar and some of the other gulf states are awash with cash. Their rulers have realised all too quickly that money can pretty much get you anything you desire from the west. Bribes, backhanders or baksheesh are very much commonplace in that part of the world, so nobody should be too surprised. They know that everybody has a price and they also know they have more than enough money to meet that price. Seems that old Jack Warner was filling his boots and having some fun with £35,000 banquets in Trinidad...all paid for by the FA. Don't you just love FIFA? www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=news&
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Post by pyrus on Jul 3, 2014 4:33:05 GMT
Another piece from Private Eye that some might find interesting: BBC viewers with long memories may be surprised to see the Qatar World Cup bribes scandal being reported by sports editor David Bond. Can this be the same David Bond who in July 2011 broadcast a "Newsnight special report" dismissing as baseless the allegations that Doha billionaires had paid bribes to acquire the 2022 tournament?
There were rumours of bribery from the moment Qatar won the right to host the World Cup, at the end of 2010. The suspicions were then confirmed by a whistleblower, Phaedra Almajid, formerly a member of the Qatar bid team. She claimed to have been in a hotel suite in Luanda in 2010 when Qatar's bid leaders negotiated $1.5 million bribes with three members of Fifa's executive.
From early in 2011, BBC Panorama reporters spent hours talking with Ms Almajid. As time went by, however, she told them of increasing pressure to recant and threats to take her away from her children and seize a property she owned in Dubai. If she changed her story, she said, she would be given a comfort letter promising no further action.
Hacks from the Sunday Times Insight team were also listening to her. In may 2011 they gave a detailed account of her claims in a memo to the culture, media and sport select committee. Protected by parliamentary privilege, this was widely reported. The Qataris were in big trouble. They hired lawyers in London and Washington and former News of the World editor Phil Hall to massage the media. But what they most needed was a reputable news organisation to broadcast their version of the story.
Step forward...David Bond, who was persuaded to travel to Doha in July 2011. Once there, he was led to a phone and filmed calling a number in America. Waiting on the line was Ms. Almajid, who confessed that her "lies had gone too far". She added: "There was never anything suspicious or any wrongdoing on Qatar's part. I cannot tell you how sorry I am."
Bond and his Newsnight team saw no need to fly to America and film her face-to-face. There appears to have been no attempt to check the story independently. The Qataris assured Bond "that they didn't place her under any pressure or pay her to retract her story". So it must be true: no bribery by Qatar. On his BBC sports blog, Bond suggested: "Her decision to retract her story could be embarrassing for the select committee who last week published a report on the 2017 and 2022 World Cup bids in which the MPs accused Fifa of treating corruption allegations with an 'approach bordering on contempt'." More bliss for Qatar.
His Qatari hosts gave him a copy of what they said was her confession, written in stilted legalistic phrases, in a Word document. If Bond had clicked on the file's "Properties", however, he would have discovered that it had been drafted by a senior partner in the London office of lawyers Olswang.
For nearly two years, Ms Almajid has been telling anyone who will listen that she was coerced into her retraction. The FBI is said to have recordings of some of the threats and fascinating video from a hotel lobby. Maybe Newsnight would consider talking to Panorama and then making another film.
Fittingly, David Bond is soon to leave the BBC for a new job at the PR firm Milltown Partners, specialising in "reputation management".This is pretty explosive stuff. Do you have a link for this?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 3, 2014 5:49:34 GMT
Another piece from Private Eye that some might find interesting: BBC viewers with long memories may be surprised to see the Qatar World Cup bribes scandal being reported by sports editor David Bond. Can this be the same David Bond who in July 2011 broadcast a "Newsnight special report" dismissing as baseless the allegations that Doha billionaires had paid bribes to acquire the 2022 tournament?
There were rumours of bribery from the moment Qatar won the right to host the World Cup, at the end of 2010. The suspicions were then confirmed by a whistleblower, Phaedra Almajid, formerly a member of the Qatar bid team. She claimed to have been in a hotel suite in Luanda in 2010 when Qatar's bid leaders negotiated $1.5 million bribes with three members of Fifa's executive.
From early in 2011, BBC Panorama reporters spent hours talking with Ms Almajid. As time went by, however, she told them of increasing pressure to recant and threats to take her away from her children and seize a property she owned in Dubai. If she changed her story, she said, she would be given a comfort letter promising no further action.
Hacks from the Sunday Times Insight team were also listening to her. In may 2011 they gave a detailed account of her claims in a memo to the culture, media and sport select committee. Protected by parliamentary privilege, this was widely reported. The Qataris were in big trouble. They hired lawyers in London and Washington and former News of the World editor Phil Hall to massage the media. But what they most needed was a reputable news organisation to broadcast their version of the story.
Step forward...David Bond, who was persuaded to travel to Doha in July 2011. Once there, he was led to a phone and filmed calling a number in America. Waiting on the line was Ms. Almajid, who confessed that her "lies had gone too far". She added: "There was never anything suspicious or any wrongdoing on Qatar's part. I cannot tell you how sorry I am."
Bond and his Newsnight team saw no need to fly to America and film her face-to-face. There appears to have been no attempt to check the story independently. The Qataris assured Bond "that they didn't place her under any pressure or pay her to retract her story". So it must be true: no bribery by Qatar. On his BBC sports blog, Bond suggested: "Her decision to retract her story could be embarrassing for the select committee who last week published a report on the 2017 and 2022 World Cup bids in which the MPs accused Fifa of treating corruption allegations with an 'approach bordering on contempt'." More bliss for Qatar.
His Qatari hosts gave him a copy of what they said was her confession, written in stilted legalistic phrases, in a Word document. If Bond had clicked on the file's "Properties", however, he would have discovered that it had been drafted by a senior partner in the London office of lawyers Olswang.
For nearly two years, Ms Almajid has been telling anyone who will listen that she was coerced into her retraction. The FBI is said to have recordings of some of the threats and fascinating video from a hotel lobby. Maybe Newsnight would consider talking to Panorama and then making another film.
Fittingly, David Bond is soon to leave the BBC for a new job at the PR firm Milltown Partners, specialising in "reputation management".This is pretty explosive stuff. Do you have a link for this? linkThis is just the headline - I think you have to subscribe to get the full story
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 3, 2014 7:09:00 GMT
Another piece from Private Eye that some might find interesting: BBC viewers with long memories may be surprised to see the Qatar World Cup bribes scandal being reported by sports editor David Bond. Can this be the same David Bond who in July 2011 broadcast a "Newsnight special report" dismissing as baseless the allegations that Doha billionaires had paid bribes to acquire the 2022 tournament?
There were rumours of bribery from the moment Qatar won the right to host the World Cup, at the end of 2010. The suspicions were then confirmed by a whistleblower, Phaedra Almajid, formerly a member of the Qatar bid team. She claimed to have been in a hotel suite in Luanda in 2010 when Qatar's bid leaders negotiated $1.5 million bribes with three members of Fifa's executive.
From early in 2011, BBC Panorama reporters spent hours talking with Ms Almajid. As time went by, however, she told them of increasing pressure to recant and threats to take her away from her children and seize a property she owned in Dubai. If she changed her story, she said, she would be given a comfort letter promising no further action.
Hacks from the Sunday Times Insight team were also listening to her. In may 2011 they gave a detailed account of her claims in a memo to the culture, media and sport select committee. Protected by parliamentary privilege, this was widely reported. The Qataris were in big trouble. They hired lawyers in London and Washington and former News of the World editor Phil Hall to massage the media. But what they most needed was a reputable news organisation to broadcast their version of the story.
Step forward...David Bond, who was persuaded to travel to Doha in July 2011. Once there, he was led to a phone and filmed calling a number in America. Waiting on the line was Ms. Almajid, who confessed that her "lies had gone too far". She added: "There was never anything suspicious or any wrongdoing on Qatar's part. I cannot tell you how sorry I am."
Bond and his Newsnight team saw no need to fly to America and film her face-to-face. There appears to have been no attempt to check the story independently. The Qataris assured Bond "that they didn't place her under any pressure or pay her to retract her story". So it must be true: no bribery by Qatar. On his BBC sports blog, Bond suggested: "Her decision to retract her story could be embarrassing for the select committee who last week published a report on the 2017 and 2022 World Cup bids in which the MPs accused Fifa of treating corruption allegations with an 'approach bordering on contempt'." More bliss for Qatar.
His Qatari hosts gave him a copy of what they said was her confession, written in stilted legalistic phrases, in a Word document. If Bond had clicked on the file's "Properties", however, he would have discovered that it had been drafted by a senior partner in the London office of lawyers Olswang.
For nearly two years, Ms Almajid has been telling anyone who will listen that she was coerced into her retraction. The FBI is said to have recordings of some of the threats and fascinating video from a hotel lobby. Maybe Newsnight would consider talking to Panorama and then making another film.
Fittingly, David Bond is soon to leave the BBC for a new job at the PR firm Milltown Partners, specialising in "reputation management".This is pretty explosive stuff. Do you have a link for this? Sorry, I had to type it up by hand!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 3, 2014 7:46:34 GMT
"For nearly two years, Ms Almajid has been telling anyone who will listen that she was coerced into her retraction. The FBI is said to have recordings of some of the threats and a fascinating video from a hotel lobby. "
Please let this be true!
Oh and many thanks for taking the time to type it all up MD!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 13, 2014 9:20:44 GMT
Not strictly to do with Qatar 2022, but interesting nonetheless. Clickerty-click
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 13, 2014 15:25:58 GMT
Not strictly to do with Qatar 2022, but interesting nonetheless. Clickerty-click
Great link that DC - thanks for sharing.
When you see that 75% of the players playing in the Brazil World Cup have come from European leagues, it's bizarre to think that FIFA thought they could just tell the clubs that World Cup in 2022 would be staged in the winter.
They haven't thought this through at all have they?
It doesn't look good for FIFA does it? Either the clubs are going to stop recognising them as a governing body altogether, which would mean that FIFA can't even supply players to the Qatar World Cup, or Qatar are going to hit them with massive legal claims which will bankrupt FIFA anyway.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 13, 2014 15:32:55 GMT
qaswz Not strictly to do with Qatar 2022, but interesting nonetheless. Clickerty-click
Great link that DC - thanks for sharing.
When you see that 75% of the players playing in the Brazil World Cup have come from European leagues, it's bizarre to think that FIFA thought they could just tell the clubs that World Cup in 2022 would be staged in the winter.
They haven't thought this through at all have they?
It doesn't look good for FIFA does it? Either the clubs are going to stop recognising them as a governing body altogether, which would mean that FIFA can't even supply players to the Qatar World Cup, or Qatar are going to hit them with massive legal claims which will bankrupt FIFA anyway.
lets see who blinks first
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Post by stokemanusa on Jul 13, 2014 15:33:58 GMT
How a corrupt bastage like Blatter is in anyway involded in the world cup is a travesty and nothing will change until those like him are expelled.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 22, 2014 13:09:48 GMT
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jul 22, 2014 13:12:41 GMT
Looks like a few more of the slippery tawts have been got at!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 24, 2014 2:56:04 GMT
I reckon Blatty was hoping a good world cup had took a lot of the fire out of everyone. Hopefully he was wrong. They mustn't be let off the hook.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 24, 2014 7:47:37 GMT
The only thing that is surprising to me about FIFA bribery is that people are surprised by it. No different than F1 and other World organizations, sadly nothing will be done about it, anyone who tries will be diverted or paid off.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 22, 2014 22:30:10 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 23, 2014 10:20:17 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 23, 2014 11:37:19 GMT
Do FIFA believe they can act as though they are above the law? Clearly they do. Will the law ever catch up with them? unknown,beleive it when I see it myself. Will FIFA move tghis world cup? possibly.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 23, 2014 12:06:21 GMT
Do FIFA believe they can act as though they are above the law? Clearly they do. Will the law ever catch up with them? unknown,beleive it when I see it myself. Will FIFA move tghis world cup? possibly. They do think they are above the law yes. They would say they take a few perks but deserve it because they work in football and football is the most popular thing on earth. The law might catch up with them. The issue is some things can break football rules but not break national laws. Tenacious investigative journalism and the public’s clamour for truth and justice saw Lance Armstrong exposed as the cheat he’s been. It’d be easy to see the Armstrong case in isolation but the need for truth over football’s administrators is just as strong. So many unanswered questions yet the ruling body rolls on. Resilient journalism and public pressure can yet shake the complacency of those who cower in Swiss ivory towers. It may be a long drawn out struggle but the Lance Armstrong story proves it can be done. Amid the fuss I would still be very surprised if the 2022 was moved. Surprised but delighted. Blatter didn't want it there. Blatter will have seen dossiers and could throw his weight around and get things overturned. The failure to confirm a time of year (which needs to be announced as soon as possible) suggests something is afoot.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 23, 2014 12:23:45 GMT
So this report by FIFA on FIFA being conducted by Michael Garcia covering the World Cup bidding process was originally due before the Brazil event. It then got delayed to the beginning of September.
Have I missed something?
Any sign of it anytime soon?
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 23, 2014 12:29:27 GMT
So this report by FIFA on FIFA being conducted by Michael Garcia covering the World Cup bidding process was originally due before the Brazil event. It then got delayed to the beginning of September. Have I missed something? Any sign of it anytime soon? FIFA have announced it won't be made public.
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Post by basingstokie on Sept 23, 2014 14:41:52 GMT
So this report by FIFA on FIFA being conducted by Michael Garcia covering the World Cup bidding process was originally due before the Brazil event. It then got delayed to the beginning of September. Have I missed something? Any sign of it anytime soon? FIFA have announced it won't be made public. Which is another way of saying that even after we put pressure on Garcia to water it down it basically says Qatar bought the World Cup and Bin Hamman was instrumental in their bid team while abusing his Fifa position to bribe and cajole votes from the poorer countries, mainly SAmerica, Asia and Africa
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Post by wembley4372 on Sept 23, 2014 15:38:05 GMT
You win it you host it, simples!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 23, 2014 18:05:08 GMT
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