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Post by foster on Sept 10, 2013 12:38:39 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2013 13:23:11 GMT
Just because he's clearly bent, out of touch & bonkers doesn't make that statement incorrect.
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Post by Boothen on Sept 10, 2013 15:00:36 GMT
What the corrupt piece of shit going to do if they do change the venue and the Qatari Sheiks come looking for their briefcases of bribes back?
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 11, 2013 10:00:26 GMT
Reading his comments about the award of the World Cup to Qatar and how us Europeans shouldn't expect to impose our whims and fancies on the rest of the world whilst every one knows fully well that it was the iced buns received from the sheiks which clinched the deal, you cannot but think what a piece if shit sepp blatter really is. A stomach- wrenching vermin piece of shit
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Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Sept 11, 2013 10:17:20 GMT
The fact that he told a certain section of fans travelling to Qatar to not be themselves says all you need to know about Sepp.
Bigot, scum.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 11, 2013 10:31:22 GMT
Do we need a thread on him everyday though?
Btw Europeans and Americans do iced buns too
That's why Blatter voted for a 2022 US World Cup!
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Post by Onneravineet on Sept 11, 2013 10:40:30 GMT
I sincerely would love for England to pull out of FIFA.
The absolute corrupt bunch of twats. Let's see just how much money they would lose without our financial and marketing contribution. Despite being shite at International level it is our name and our players who those around the world want to see along with superstars like Ronaldo and Messi.
Would have loved for the BIG leagues in Europe to have been against it too but as they generally take a winter break they'll be more open to appease Sepp Twatter and move the bastard thing.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Sept 11, 2013 10:52:49 GMT
I sincerely would love for England to pull out of FIFA. The absolute corrupt bunch of twats. Let's see just how much money they would lose without our financial and marketing contribution. Despite being shite at International level it is our name and our players who those around the world want to see along with superstars like Ronaldo and Messi. Would have loved for the BIG leagues in Europe to have been against it too but as they generally take a winter break they'll be more open to appease Sepp Twatter and move the bastard thing. Had to log on matey not so much to say that Twatter is a totally corrupt and detestable microbe (we all knew that), nor the fact that in Qatar the brown envelope stuffed with voluminous amounts of cash is the order of the day (again we all knew that). No, it was just to say you have probably the best avatar I have seen for a very long time and I would appreciate a link so I can get one too ;-) Hell, who needs to work anyway!! UTP!!! |
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Post by lordb on Sept 11, 2013 11:47:55 GMT
I sincerely would love for England to pull out of FIFA. The absolute corrupt bunch of twats. Let's see just how much money they would lose without our financial and marketing contribution. Despite being shite at International level it is our name and our players who those around the world want to see along with superstars like Ronaldo and Messi. . Complete fantasy FIFA don't need England |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 12:01:04 GMT
I sincerely would love for England to pull out of FIFA. The absolute corrupt bunch of twats. Let's see just how much money they would lose without our financial and marketing contribution. Despite being shite at International level it is our name and our players who those around the world want to see along with superstars like Ronaldo and Messi. . Complete fantasy FIFA don't need England not sure if fantasy is the right word.......definitely a theory that is many years out of date though i agree. who in England is interested in watching the likes of Sturridge, Young, Cleverly, Walker et al let alone the rest of the world wanting to see them! some need to realise that England's involvement in FIFA for international events and tournaments is a completely seperate issue to whether other countries want to watch the Premiership. 2 different matters entirely onneravineet if England and the FA and the Premiership all pulled out from FIFA then football as we know it in England would just disappear and in a few years would be the equivalent in quality of the Welsh or Irish leagues. NO player of any quality would play for a league that wasn't sanctioned by FIFA as they wouldn't be able to compete in any major competitions, compete for a place in their national squad and basically earn sod all. although Blatter is a cock, it's exactly this self-important (not to mention delusional) stance of "We're England and you're all fucked without us" attitude that he's trying to get rid of and rightly so IMO. unfortunately you just kinda proved his point onneravineet. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 13:14:11 GMT
Complete fantasy FIFA don't need England if England and the FA and the Premiership all pulled out from FIFA then football as we know it in England would just disappear and in a few years would be the equivalent in quality of the Welsh or Irish leagues. NO player of any quality would play for a league that wasn't sanctioned by FIFA as they wouldn't be able to compete in any major competitions, compete for a place in their national squad and basically earn sod all. No, I can't really agree with that squire. Whilst there may be a period of re-adjustment for the Prem, we'd soon turn it around. We really don't actually need to be with FIFA as they currently are. I think we will do far more damage to the game by actually going along with this corrupt organisation in it's current format. They desperately need a reformer - a Jaques Rogge type (IOC) - as the next FIFA President, definitely not Platini - he see's no issue. The Qatar award and the whole corruption fiasco is entirely down to FIFA's current voting structure. Fix that and we can continue with FIFA - no problem. But at the moment we face a moral question. Has anybody spotted the hypocrisy in Blatter's original statement where he says: "I think it is high time that Europe starts to understand that we do not rule the world anymore, and that some former European imperial powers can no longer impress their will on to others in faraway places". Hello? Isn't the daft old bugger doing exactly that but with FIFA? ie impressing their will on everybody else? He really is beyond a joke that fella. Blatter's legacy will be that of failing to reform the sickness in the World governing body and the catastrophic blunders, errors and mistakes made in the decision to give the 2022 WC to Qatar. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 13:18:20 GMT
Just because he's clearly bent, out of touch & bonkers doesn't make that statement incorrect. But people aren't pissed off about it being held in different places. They're pissed off about it being a purely money-oriented decision that is going to end up dicking everybody around. If it's impractical to hold a World Cup in a particular country in the summer then it shouldn't be held there. They wouldn't hold the Winter Olympics in Tahiti. Also, if taking the World Cup to new places was the motivation all along, why even let the likes of us bid for it in the first place? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 13:24:26 GMT
Just because he's clearly bent, out of touch & bonkers doesn't make that statement incorrect. They wouldn't hold the Winter Olympics in Tahiti. You couldn't rule that out if Blatter and his FIFA cronies were running the show.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 13:30:06 GMT
**************, the problem is though that the next FIFA president WILL be Platini whether you like it or not so there won't be any drastic change to FIFA when Blatter goes.
the point i was raising is that the English national team leaving FIFA is a completely different matter to the Prem leaving FIFA but would have similar consequences. if the English FA decide to pull the national team out then no-one will care full stop as (regardless of what the media will have you believe) we are no longer a "Big club" internationally and hold no real weight in terms of levering FIFA into doing what we think is right at all; we have no major trophies for nearly 50 years (and that's the only one we have) and none of the English players are anything even close to Messi/Ronaldo in quality (and even if they were you'd need several of the team to be that good for FIFA to give a shit if England pulled out)....
if the Prem pulled out of FIFA control then how many major international stars do you think would play over here? no-one would play for teams that weren't able to compete in UEFA tournaments (which they wouldn't be able to if we weren't part of FIFA), the TV fees would therefore disappear as you'd end up with a league consisting of teams made up of players of low quality (even the good English players would move abroad) which no-one would want to watch etc. etc.
Football is purely based around money nowadays and if you're putting yourself in a position where you CAN'T get that money (for the reasons above) then you will disappear and people will forget about you. do you honestly and genuinely think that the likes of Suarez, RVP, Aguero, Mata, Hazard etc. will stick around because they realise we are fighting a moral war against FIFA's corruption so will stay over here and hope the system changes and we can then turn the Prem around again? no chance on this planet would they mate! they'd be straight off to play for clubs where they can still perform in the Champs league etc. and therefore still play for their national teams. you have to remember that most of the World don't give a shit about corruption at FIFA, it's pretty much just us. if people still think that England, the FA or the Prem still has a sway in "World Football" especially when commerically so much money is also now being madfe through football in the middle east, Asia and increasingly in the US then they really need to get with the times.
if we left FIFA then we may be able to take the moral high ground but football as we know it over her would be massively massively different and we'd be left behind without the rest of the world really giving a shit one way or the other.
if our pulling out led to several other countries following suit then fair enough, it may make some difference but the fact is that it won't because no-one else is anywhere near as arsed about it as we are; even the other european nations are starting to favour a winter world cup.we're pretty much on our own here in terms of opposing it so vehemently. whether that's right or wrong is another question but to say us pulling out wouldn't make much difference or would have any kind of effect on how FIFA is run is farcical. like i say, it may not be right but we're not in the 60's anymore so no-one cares about "Give peace a chance" or "Stop the war" etc. it's money and only money that makes the world go around nowadays and one small (in terms of world football nowadays) nation pulling out will have no impact whatsoever other than to turn us into a backward league that people don't care about.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 11, 2013 13:37:36 GMT
if England and the FA and the Premiership all pulled out from FIFA then football as we know it in England would just disappear and in a few years would be the equivalent in quality of the Welsh or Irish leagues. NO player of any quality would play for a league that wasn't sanctioned by FIFA as they wouldn't be able to compete in any major competitions, compete for a place in their national squad and basically earn sod all. No, I can't really agree with that squire. Whilst there may be a period of re-adjustment for the Prem, we'd soon turn it around. We really don't actually need to be with FIFA as they currently are. I think we will do far more damage to the game by actually going along with this corrupt organisation in it's current format. They desperately need a reformer - a Jaques Rogge type (IOC) - as the next FIFA President, definitely not Platini - he see's no issue. The Qatar award and the whole corruption fiasco is entirely down to FIFA's current voting structure. Fix that and we can continue with FIFA - no problem. But at the moment we face a moral question. Has anybody spotted the hypocrisy in Blatter's original statement where he says: "I think it is high time that Europe starts to understand that we do not rule the world anymore, and that some former European imperial powers can no longer impress their will on to others in faraway places". Hello? Isn't the daft old bugger doing exactly that but with FIFA? ie impressing their will on everybody else? He really is beyond a joke that fella. Blatter's legacy will be that of failing to reform the sickness in the World governing body and the catastrophic blunders, errors and mistakes made in the decision to give the 2022 WC to Qatar. Don't understand your logic tbh. You could argue that any decision made by any governing organisation is 'trying to impose its will' . How else can it work? Or is it just that this will is just different to yours? Putting all other opinions about Blatter as a person aside ( which I think is difficult for a lot of football supporters). I don't see anything wrong with the basic premise. If it is to be a World Cup in the true sense then it has to be responsive to other cultures and societies, which may be in the form of time zones, temperatures, seasons etc. Another alternative would be to give the World Cup to a country of each of the continents on a rotational basis? In terms of imposing a will, if your argument was followed in terms of pulling England's involvement, what about the fans who would like to see England participating in that World Cup? What about their will? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 13:40:07 GMT
But people aren't pissed off about it being held in different places. They're pissed off about it being a purely money-oriented decision that is going to end up dicking everybody around. If it's impractical to hold a World Cup in a particular country in the summer then it shouldn't be held there. They wouldn't hold the Winter Olympics in Tahiti. Also, if taking the World Cup to new places was the motivation all along, why even let the likes of us bid for it in the first place? i wonder how much of a fuss the FA would be kicking up on moral grounds if England had been awarded the World Cup....hmmmmm let's not pretend that the FA are some moral crusaders who campaign for justice and equality for all...they ONLY campaign when it doesn't suit them, end of! i'm not saying that Blatter and FIFA aren't corrupt swindlers who only do things that line their own pockets but does anyone really think the FA would be any different if they were in charge? of course not, as it is they're trying to get it changed simply because it doesn't suit them NOT because of some mass hysteria by all the other nations as most are happy enough with the idea. the vast majority of european nations (who are largely the nations a winter world cup would effect) have pretty much come round to the idea now of it being in Qatar and favour the winter world cup idea. it's basically only us that are still kicking off |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 13:44:45 GMT
No, I can't really agree with that squire. Whilst there may be a period of re-adjustment for the Prem, we'd soon turn it around. We really don't actually need to be with FIFA as they currently are. I think we will do far more damage to the game by actually going along with this corrupt organisation in it's current format. They desperately need a reformer - a Jaques Rogge type (IOC) - as the next FIFA President, definitely not Platini - he see's no issue. The Qatar award and the whole corruption fiasco is entirely down to FIFA's current voting structure. Fix that and we can continue with FIFA - no problem. But at the moment we face a moral question. Has anybody spotted the hypocrisy in Blatter's original statement where he says: "I think it is high time that Europe starts to understand that we do not rule the world anymore, and that some former European imperial powers can no longer impress their will on to others in faraway places". Hello? Isn't the daft old bugger doing exactly that but with FIFA? ie impressing their will on everybody else? He really is beyond a joke that fella. Blatter's legacy will be that of failing to reform the sickness in the World governing body and the catastrophic blunders, errors and mistakes made in the decision to give the 2022 WC to Qatar. Don't understand your logic tbh. You could argue that any decision made by any governing organisation is 'trying to impose its will' . How else can it work? Or is it just that this will is just different to yours? Putting all other opinions about Blatter as a person aside ( which I think is difficult for a lot of football supporters). I don't see anything wrong with the basic premise. If it is to be a World Cup in the true sense then it has to be responsive to other cultures and societies, which may be in the form of time zones, temperatures, seasons etc. Another alternative would be to give the World Cup to a country of each of the continents on a rotational basis? In terms of imposing a will, if your argument was followed in terms of pulling England's involvement, what about the fans who would like to see England participating in that World Cup? What about their will? But I don't see why we should all have to inconvenience our calendar and swap everything round to accommodate an impractical environment. If it's not right then tough shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 13:55:19 GMT
Don't understand your logic tbh. You could argue that any decision made by any governing organisation is 'trying to impose its will' . How else can it work? Or is it just that this will is just different to yours? Putting all other opinions about Blatter as a person aside ( which I think is difficult for a lot of football supporters). I don't see anything wrong with the basic premise. If it is to be a World Cup in the true sense then it has to be responsive to other cultures and societies, which may be in the form of time zones, temperatures, seasons etc. Another alternative would be to give the World Cup to a country of each of the continents on a rotational basis? In terms of imposing a will, if your argument was followed in terms of pulling England's involvement, what about the fans who would like to see England participating in that World Cup? What about their will? Sorry, I didn't think what I was saying was difficult to understand. I'll try and explain. I think if you're going to impose any sort of will then hopefully what you are imposing is borne out of rational thought and some form of basic honesty. When you say basic premise, what are you referring too? The bid? Qatar as a host? Changing the timing? And as far as England being in or out the World Cup is concerned, i'm really loathed to take part in anything where the officiating body bends the rules to suit it's own needs and is so clearly corrupt. If you want to see England play under those criteria, that's your choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 13:56:35 GMT
Don't understand your logic tbh. You could argue that any decision made by any governing organisation is 'trying to impose its will' . How else can it work? Or is it just that this will is just different to yours? Putting all other opinions about Blatter as a person aside ( which I think is difficult for a lot of football supporters). I don't see anything wrong with the basic premise. If it is to be a World Cup in the true sense then it has to be responsive to other cultures and societies, which may be in the form of time zones, temperatures, seasons etc. Another alternative would be to give the World Cup to a country of each of the continents on a rotational basis? In terms of imposing a will, if your argument was followed in terms of pulling England's involvement, what about the fans who would like to see England participating in that World Cup? What about their will? But I don't see why we should all have to inconvenience our calendar and swap everything round to accommodate an impractical environment. If it's not right then tough shit. but if the rest of the world (and it is a World cup after all) seem to have come around to the idea and favour a winter world cup (which is basically the situation now) then why shouldn't we fall into place and accept the majority decision Rob? simply saying "Well, we don't like it despite the majority being in favour of it because it doesn't suit us so you should therefore change it just for us please" is a tad arrogant don't you think? i think that's the point Blatter is getting at and personally (although i think he's a cock of the highest order) i think he's right. we seem to go mad if he does anything just because it suits him but apparently we now expect the whole world to change their minds simply because it would suit us. we're basically saying that Blatter is a cock for doing everything for his own benefit and sod everyone else.....but if it's ok then that's what we'd like to do as well if that's all the same to everyone? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 13:58:15 GMT
I don't buy that 'nobody else has a problem with it' Millsy, let's see what happens once it starts looking concrete, shall we? I don't see many 'favouring' a winter World Cup. Hughes difference between saying you'd prefer one and having to lump it because the crooks it charge have bollocksed it up.
I don't think it's arrogant to say it's a shit idea and I want no part of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 14:00:40 GMT
Don't understand your logic tbh. You could argue that any decision made by any governing organisation is 'trying to impose its will' . How else can it work? Or is it just that this will is just different to yours? Putting all other opinions about Blatter as a person aside ( which I think is difficult for a lot of football supporters). I don't see anything wrong with the basic premise. If it is to be a World Cup in the true sense then it has to be responsive to other cultures and societies, which may be in the form of time zones, temperatures, seasons etc. Another alternative would be to give the World Cup to a country of each of the continents on a rotational basis? In terms of imposing a will, if your argument was followed in terms of pulling England's involvement, what about the fans who would like to see England participating in that World Cup? What about their will? Sorry, I didn't think what I was saying was difficult to understand. I'll try and explain. I think if you're going to impose any sort of will then hopefully what you are imposing is borne out of rational thought and some form of basic honesty. When you say basic premise, what are you referring too? The bid? Qatar as a host? Changing the timing? And as far as England being in or out the World Cup is concerned, i'm really loathed to take part in anything where the officiating body bends the rules to suit it's own needs and is so clearly corrupt. If you want to see England play under those criteria, that's your choice.to be fair **************, you've happily supported England in every previous World Cup under Blatter's reign haven't you? or were they different because they didn't directly the English game at the time so you didn't feel the need to stand up and be counted then? to patronise people in the way you have with your last sentence is a bit much when you've quite happily sat back and watched the previous world cups which were decided upon by just as much underhandedness, duplicity and corruption as this one has been. it's a bit OTT and hypocritical if you ask me mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 14:11:22 GMT
I don't buy that 'nobody else has a problem with it' Millsy, let's see what happens once it starts looking concrete, shall we? I don't see many 'favouring' a winter World Cup. Hughes difference between saying you'd prefer one and having to lump it because the crooks it charge have bollocksed it up. I don't think it's arrogant to say it's a shit idea and I want no part of it. well obviously there's no official figures but all the media talk (including a "Discussion" yesterday with an English FA rep that was played on talksport and Five Live) seems to point in the direction that most of the other european nations WILL be happy to take on the idea of a winter world cup; the only discussion there seems to be now is whether it's before or after Christmas (with there also being talk of maybe holding it in May where the temperatures are significantly lower than in June and July so it wouldn't cause too much disruption to the european leagues). personally i do think it's arrogant to not want to do it simply because it interrupts our domestic calendar. i don't see us (English fans) kicking up a fuss about the domestic leagues around the world it currently disrupts (Ireland, Norway,MLS, Korea, Japan etc.) or do we not have to give a shit about that because they're "Smaller nations" so aren't important anyway? why exactly should it be based around our domestic calendar? let's face it, in reality it's bugger all to do with "Corruption" or Sepp Blatter or the way the bid was handled; if WE had won the bid then the FA, the media and pretty much no-one on here would be moaning about any of those things.it's purely down to the fact that the Prem would be interrupted.now, given the fact that a hell of a lot of English managers favour a winter break anyway, the fact they have 9 years to plan for this and also the fact that if Stoke weren't in the Prem (which they may not be by then) then most on here wouldn't give a shit one way or the other, i fail to see what the real problem actually is myself. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2013 14:18:53 GMT
I don't buy that 'nobody else has a problem with it' Millsy, let's see what happens once it starts looking concrete, shall we? I don't see many 'favouring' a winter World Cup. Hughes difference between saying you'd prefer one and having to lump it because the crooks it charge have bollocksed it up. I don't think it's arrogant to say it's a shit idea and I want no part of it. well obviously there's no official figures but all the media talk (including a "Discussion" yesterday with an English FA rep that was played on talksport and Five Live) seems to point in the direction that most of the other european nations WILL be happy to take on the idea of a winter world cup; the only discussion there seems to be now is whether it's before or after Christmas (with there also being talk of maybe holding it in May where the temperatures are significantly lower than in June and July so it wouldn't cause too much disruption to the european leagues). personally i do think it's arrogant to not want to do it simply because it interrupts our domestic calendar. i don't see us (English fans) kicking up a fuss about the domestic leagues around the world it currently disrupts (Ireland, Norway,MLS, Korea, Japan etc.) or do we not have to give a shit about that because they're "Smaller nations" so aren't important anyway? why exactly should it be based around our domestic calendar? let's face it, in reality it's bugger all to do with "Corruption" or Sepp Blatter or the way the bid was handled; if WE had won the bid then the FA, the media and pretty much no-one on here would be moaning about any of those things.it's purely down to the fact that the Prem would be interrupted.now, given the fact that a hell of a lot of English managers favour a winter break anyway, the fact they have 9 years to plan for this and also the fact that if Stoke weren't in the Prem (which they may not be by then) then most on here wouldn't give a shit one way or the other, i fail to see what the real problem actually is myself. I pretty much disagree with the whole of that last paragraph (and most of the rest  ). People would be moaning about it irrespective because they don't like FIFA for the reasons we all know. I'm one of those of people and there are lots more, it has fuck all to do with failing to win the World Cup tbh. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 14:27:25 GMT
Mick, I don't see an English unilateral withdrawal from FIFA as the final outcome for this particular scenario, but that's not to say we shouldn't threaten it or use it as a final bargaining point. FIFA would be loathed to lose England - you really do underestimate the Premiership's profile across the rest of the globe. It actually generates more than the World Cup and Champions League in TV revenues. As a big player, we need to bring as much pressure to bear on FIFA to reform their voting structure back into the realms of reality. We have a vested interest in that reform and if you can't see why it's important or indeed that what they are doing is wrong then I honestly feel you're being a little short sighted on the matter.
After the Salt Lake City scenario the IOC were in the same boat that FIFA now find themselves in. They have changed for the better and the corruption has gone. So don't tell me it can't be done. I've seen the damage that corruption causes first hand in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, the Philippines, Thailand and in most of south east Asia. In the UK and northern Europe we are extremely lucky to have very little in the way of institutionalised corruption. By doing nothing now we are giving FIFA a clear mandate to carry on with whatever dirty deals and underhanded moves they may feel like pulling in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 14:27:34 GMT
bayern, missed my point mate
yes we all know FIFA is a shower of shit and i don't think the matter is a case of sour grapes at all at us not winning. what i was saying is that do you really think people would be up in arms over the corruption involved in bidding for the World cup (which is no different in the case of Qatar winning it than it has been before) if we HAD won it? do you think the media would be going mad at the bribery involved within FIFA that led us to winning the bid? of course they wouldn't, they'd be more than happy we'd got the winning bid and leave it at that. that's why i'm saying that the idea that people are mad at Qatar winning isn't really down to the "Corruption" thing at all (if it was then the media would go mad whoever won the bid, even if it was us)..it was a hypothetical to show that that isn't the real issue at all here. the issue is that it will disrupt OUR league and that's why people are pissed off....there weren't shedloads of media stories about the corruption involved in France 98 or Korea 2002 etc. simply because they fitted in nicely with our leagues so that's all well and good but suddenly as soon as it could disrupt our league then it's "There needs to be another vote. it was all fiddled,it can't happen because it was all brown envelopes".
yes, Blatter is constantly being moaned at for being corrupt but i don't recall the FA or anyone on here calling for a revote when any of those previous world cup winning bids were announced do you? funny how as soon as it effects the English season we're up in arms though don't you think whilst every other world cup we sit back and happily let it disrupt other leagues around the world
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 14:30:28 GMT
I don't buy that 'nobody else has a problem with it' Millsy, let's see what happens once it starts looking concrete, shall we? I don't see many 'favouring' a winter World Cup. Hughes difference between saying you'd prefer one and having to lump it because the crooks it charge have bollocksed it up. I don't think it's arrogant to say it's a shit idea and I want no part of it. well obviously there's no official figures but all the media talk (including a "Discussion" yesterday with an English FA rep that was played on talksport and Five Live) seems to point in the direction that most of the other european nations WILL be happy to take on the idea of a winter world cup; the only discussion there seems to be now is whether it's before or after Christmas (with there also being talk of maybe holding it in May where the temperatures are significantly lower than in June and July so it wouldn't cause too much disruption to the european leagues). personally i do think it's arrogant to not want to do it simply because it interrupts our domestic calendar. i don't see us (English fans) kicking up a fuss about the domestic leagues around the world it currently disrupts (Ireland, Norway,MLS, Korea, Japan etc.) or do we not have to give a shit about that because they're "Smaller nations" so aren't important anyway? why exactly should it be based around our domestic calendar? let's face it, in reality it's bugger all to do with "Corruption" or Sepp Blatter or the way the bid was handled; if WE had won the bid then the FA, the media and pretty much no-one on here would be moaning about any of those things.it's purely down to the fact that the Prem would be interrupted.now, given the fact that a hell of a lot of English managers favour a winter break anyway, the fact they have 9 years to plan for this and also the fact that if Stoke weren't in the Prem (which they may not be by then) then most on here wouldn't give a shit one way or the other, i fail to see what the real problem actually is myself. Yeah, it's nothing to do with England not getting it - I like travelling and watching football in other countries. The World Cup has pretty much always been in our summer and during the close season of the top countries where the top players play. The countries where the game is most watched. Do we want a successful World Cup enjoyed by the maximum amount of people? You're never going to please all the people all of the time, so what exactly is wrong with the current format? Again, why not move the Winter Olympics to Jamaica or hold the summer Olympics at Christmas? |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 11, 2013 14:32:34 GMT
Don't understand your logic tbh. You could argue that any decision made by any governing organisation is 'trying to impose its will' . How else can it work? Or is it just that this will is just different to yours? Putting all other opinions about Blatter as a person aside ( which I think is difficult for a lot of football supporters). I don't see anything wrong with the basic premise. If it is to be a World Cup in the true sense then it has to be responsive to other cultures and societies, which may be in the form of time zones, temperatures, seasons etc. Another alternative would be to give the World Cup to a country of each of the continents on a rotational basis? In terms of imposing a will, if your argument was followed in terms of pulling England's involvement, what about the fans who would like to see England participating in that World Cup? What about their will? Sorry, I didn't think what I was saying was difficult to understand. I'll try and explain. I thinke if you're going to impose any sort of will then hopefully what you are imposing is borne out of rational thought and some form of basic honesty. When you say basic premise, what are you referring too? The bid? Qatar as a host? Changing the timing? And as far as England being in or out the World Cup is concerned, i'm really loathed to take part in anything where the officiating body bends the rules to suit it's own needs and is so clearly corrupt. If you want to see England play under those criteria, that's your choice. I think it is a bit rich to suddenly come out with the moral higher ground argument when it just so happens an Arabic country with a different set of conditions gets to host the games. I don't accept that FIFA are the baddies in this, and all of the other footballing bodies are the goodies. Corruption in the game will not be specific to this tournament. If we are really against corruption then we might have to go back to playing Sunday football on parks. Has FIFA, or any of the other governing bodies suddenly become corrupt? I don't think so. If US would have got these games like Blatter wanted and they wanted to change the timing would there be such a big deal? Remember when the States first got the World Cup their population had hardly heard of soccer never mind football. Would we have refused to go to the Argentinan World Cup if we had qualified because of alleged issues of corruption? So where do you draw the line, and who draws it? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2013 14:33:13 GMT
bayern, missed my point mate yes we all know FIFA is a shower of shit and i don't think the matter is a case of sour grapes at all at us not winning. what i was saying is that do you really think people would be up in arms over the corruption involved in bidding for the World cup (which is no different in the case of Qatar winning it than it has been before) if we HAD won it? do you think the media would be going mad at the bribery involved within FIFA that led us to winning the bid? of course they wouldn't, they'd be more than happy we'd got the winning bid and leave it at that. that's why i'm saying that the idea that people are mad at Qatar winning isn't really down to the "Corruption" thing at all (if it was then the media would go mad whoever won the bid, even if it was us)..it was a hypothetical to show that that isn't the real issue at all here. the issue is that it will disrupt OUR league and that's why people are pissed off....there weren't shedloads of media stories about the corruption involved in France 98 or Korea 2002 etc. simply because they fitted in nicely with our leagues so that's all well and good but suddenly as soon as it could disrupt our league then it's "There needs to be another vote. it was all fiddled,it can't happen because it was all brown envelopes". yes, Blatter is constantly being moaned at for being corrupt but i don't recall the FA or anyone on here calling for a revote when any of those previous world cup winning bids were announced do you? funny how as soon as it effects the English season we're up in arms though don't you think whilst every other world cup we sit back and happily let it disrupt other leagues around the world I do yeah. Our press are pretty good at bringing up shit and love doing it, especially when it fucks us up! It'd be a different set of journalists doing it though and not the sports ones. And I think it has a lot more to do with inconvenience. Not one thing is going for the Qatar bid yet it won, France and South Korea were ideal nations to hold it in, Russia is too but Qatar? Even FIFA's own report said it unsuitable to hold a World Cup. The whole package with Qatar is farcical. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 14:33:39 GMT
Mick, I don't see an English unilateral withdrawal from FIFA as the final outcome for this particular scenario, but that's not to say we shouldn't threaten it or use it as a final bargaining point. FIFA would be loathed to lose England - you really do underestimate the Premiership's profile across the rest of the globe. It actually generates more than the World Cup and Champions League in TV revenues. As a big player, we need to bring as much pressure to bear on FIFA to reform their voting structure back into the realms of reality. We have a vested interest in that reform and if you can't see why it's important or indeed that what they are doing is wrong then I honestly feel you're being a little short sighted on the matter. After the Salt Lake City scenario the IOC were in the same boat that FIFA now find themselves in. They have changed for the better and the corruption has gone. So don't tell me it can't be done. I've seen the damage that corruption causes first hand in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, the Philippines, Thailand and in most of south east Asia. In the UK and northern Europe we are extremely lucky to have very little in the way of institutionalised corruption. By doing nothing now we are giving FIFA a clear mandate to carry on with whatever dirty deals and underhanded moves they may feel like pulling in the future. what you have to remember though ************** is that the FA and the Premier league are 2 completely seperate organisations. the FA could withdraw the national team but they couldn't stop the Prem being a member of FIFA as the Prem is commercially independent from the FA and not run by them, they simply have to adhere to the laws of the game as set down by the English FA. just because the FA may want to do sometning in no way means that the Prem will just sit back and go along with it; they constantly disagree about matters relating to English football as it is! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 14:36:26 GMT
Sorry, I didn't think what I was saying was difficult to understand. I'll try and explain. I think if you're going to impose any sort of will then hopefully what you are imposing is borne out of rational thought and some form of basic honesty. When you say basic premise, what are you referring too? The bid? Qatar as a host? Changing the timing? And as far as England being in or out the World Cup is concerned, i'm really loathed to take part in anything where the officiating body bends the rules to suit it's own needs and is so clearly corrupt. If you want to see England play under those criteria, that's your choice.to be fair **************, you've happily supported England in every previous World Cup under Blatter's reign haven't you? or were they different because they didn't directly the English game at the time so you didn't feel the need to stand up and be counted then? to patronise people in the way you have with your last sentence is a bit much when you've quite happily sat back and watched the previous world cups which were decided upon by just as much underhandedness, duplicity and corruption as this one has been. it's a bit OTT and hypocritical if you ask me mate. Hang on a second, how the hell have you arrived at the notion that i'm patronising anyone by saying that? They're my considered opinions. It's up to you, your brother, his dog etc. to decide how you see it as individuals. I don't like it at all, but i'm not forcing anyone to share my view, nor calling them out for not supporting this view. It's a personal choice. |
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). People would be moaning about it irrespective because they don't like FIFA for the reasons we all know. I'm one of those of people and there are lots more, it has fuck all to do with failing to win the World Cup tbh.
