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Post by harryh157 on Aug 30, 2013 20:45:26 GMT
'Spat my dummy out' gosh you are good at this! When did I say that one was better than the other? Just commented on your dismissive debating technique. My opinion, not that you will care is that Crouch was a very good footballer and in his prime a better option than KJ who has too many games where he seems to contribute very little. Clearly both TP and MH chose Crouch ahead of KJ and, unlike you, I accept that they probably see more of both players than me and definitely know more about football. This is not to say we should not disagree with our managers and entire coaching staff but to dismiss them all as blind lover boys is nothing short of arguments typical of the playground! Harryh........out' That's great pal, something we agree on Crouch WAS a good footballer in his prime, in fact, he WAS awesome. The obvious reason why we bought him. Do you not think the fact we paid £10m for him has anything to do with the fact we keep playing him every week? In hope that he might become the Striker we thought he would be! I'd imagine that the fee paid contributes to the reason why TP kept playing him but the fact that he paid big money for other players such as WP and Tuncay and was happy to either leave them out or on the bench would suggest that TP chose players on some factor other than financial value. I'd be surprised if MH keeps (well twice) picking Crouch.
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Post by harryh157 on Aug 30, 2013 20:46:44 GMT
I still can't see why TP chose to spend Close to £20M on Crouch and Palacios, and I'm a big fan of TP! Agree with this
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 21:10:30 GMT
I still can't see why TP chose to spend Close to £20M on Crouch and Palacios, and I'm a big fan of TP! I can, his potential transfer target pool was so small he decided crouch was 'the beanpole man' he needed regardless of cost & passengers to get on the end of set pieces. He also looked at his goalscoring record for England. To pulis Crouch was the absolute pinnacle/holy grail of his vision of transfers, why else do you pay £18M for Crouch and a player he wouldn't play?
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Post by harryh157 on Aug 30, 2013 21:14:18 GMT
I still can't see why TP chose to spend Close to £20M on Crouch and Palacios, and I'm a big fan of TP! I can, his potential transfer target pool was so small he decided crouch was 'the beanpole man' he needed regardless of cost & passengers to get on the end of set pieces. He also looked at his goalscoring record for England. To pulis Crouch was the absolute pinnacle of his vision. Why was he allowed to buy him when we already had KJ unless we had an offer for the latter (or thought we did) which subsequently fell through.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 21:25:10 GMT
I can, his potential transfer target pool was so small he decided crouch was 'the beanpole man' he needed regardless of cost & passengers to get on the end of set pieces. He also looked at his goalscoring record for England. To pulis Crouch was the absolute pinnacle of his vision. Why was he allowed to buy him when we already had KJ unless we had an offer for the latter (or thought we did) which subsequently fell through. That is the question, I think Coates had a moment of madness and liked the sound of Stoke signing a £10M player & Crouch was Pulis' wet dream, a kind of a Thank You if you like to the manager. It's probably a part of the reason the Coates Siblings have taken over calling the shots. Slightly different subject. I have learned a lot about "the family" recently as I know a security guard that used to do the security at their house. Not bad stuff, just very interesting.
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Post by simplepotter on Aug 30, 2013 21:53:29 GMT
Just to throw in my twopenny worth on the debate Crouch or Jones: I would have to go for Jones every time he is: Quicker, stronger, better in the air, has better movement off the ball and is no worse on the deck (All this Crouch is good on the floor is only relative to Crouch himself as he is so appalling in the air; he is like bambi on ice most of the time.) I get the impression that Crouch is happy to be seen as an ex England international and premier league player who can use this status to float around the Celebrity scene with Abbey. ie no longer wants to put a shift in.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 30, 2013 22:24:43 GMT
Big test for Hughes tomorrow in terms of who he picks, has to be Jones in a one up system with no support , crouch can't do well in our current set up which offers zero support to a lone striker especially away from home . If Crouch plays Jerome has to because he needs pace , end of last season showed that only effective games he has we're with Jerome
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 30, 2013 22:28:03 GMT
Our decline began with the arrival of the Tottenham two
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 22:31:14 GMT
Our decline began with the arrival of the Tottenham two Depends at which way you look at it, for me it was the beginning of a new beginning.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 30, 2013 22:40:31 GMT
From cup final. To the lowest scoring team in the country for £20m bargain . Kj and JW did ok showed it again in our best display last season too yet Crouch is no 1 mystifies me , nowt against Crouch but we have nobody apart from Jerome who ain't that good who can play with him
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 30, 2013 23:58:28 GMT
Should we give him a conteact extension based on league cup 2nd round tie at home to Walsall? No. Does he deserve a start on the back of it in place of an ineffective Crouch? Absolutely.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Aug 31, 2013 3:33:06 GMT
whats kissa say
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Post by wembley4372 on Aug 31, 2013 5:48:29 GMT
Jones needs to go. Not done enough to deserve a new contract. If he had one of the new clubs would be biting our arm off for a few million to take him. It doesn't appear that anyone is tempted You could say that about all of our players though, I see no-one kicking down the door for any of our lot. Exactly. So we have to get rid and invest in someone better who might. No point in extending and expecting him to suddenly be better than he was.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 31, 2013 9:21:27 GMT
Extension Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ad infinitum!
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Post by trigger on Aug 31, 2013 9:35:55 GMT
No chance that I would, you can count on one hand how many good games he's had since he's been at the club.
He went down hill fast in my opinion when Crouch scored what truly was a goal of a life time against Man City, Jones just sat in the dug out whilst the rest of the bench recognised the goal for what it was.
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Post by torquaypotter on Aug 31, 2013 9:45:34 GMT
But we cant - no one wants them on their wages ANd Hughes, just like Pulis loves Crouch This to me is the worry; how can 2 Premier League managers hold an opinion that is opposite to the world renowned football experts on this site?[/quote love it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2013 10:21:26 GMT
Offloading either of them seems difficult tbf. In my mind KJ would certainly give us 10+ goals if he starts every game in the League + he is a hell to play against when he is up for it! Would really feel bad about seeing KJ in another team's shirt, but I don't care about seeing the back of Crouch and Jerome! I just think that ideally we need to clear the decks up front. KJ frustrates me to hell and I wouldn't be bothered in the slightest if he left. I prefer Crouch but it's clear he's not as good as once was and again I wouldn't be bothered if he went. Walters I barely think is good enough but offers something for what he is, again I wouldn't be arsed if he left. Jerome out of them is the one I'd want to keep most simply down to his pace. But if he was to be sold and we bought in another fast player who was a better footballer then great. None of them fill me with confidence when it comes to goalscoring. Offloading either of them seems difficult tbf. Which one do you reckon starts tomorrow mate? In my eyes is has to be jones after his 3 goals in the week but something tells me it will be crouch. It's far too late in the window for them both to go, i reckon it will be a 1 in 1 out as far as strikers go before monday and i think the one to go will be jerome. I think it has to be KJ too, You've got to bring that confidence he will into the side imo. And I agree, I aren't sure Hughes will. And yeah I agree, I think Jerome will be gone! Agreeing is boring!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 10:29:26 GMT
Crouch was just a bizarre signing all together.
Jones was playing well and was instantly dropped. His opportunities since then have been minimal, Jones isn't a world beater, he's average. I just think Crouch currently brings less to the table, we don't have the luxury to play a player who only brings the ability to control it and pass it backwards. It's so easy to defend against it's laughable.
At least with Jones you know if he does get it under control he will at least try and turn his man with a bit of muscle.
To be quite blunt though, i wouldn't care if we replaced the whole front line.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 31, 2013 11:09:31 GMT
We needed a striker when we bought Crouch. We had only one fit target man available to us and were often forced to play Shotton up there - not that he didn't score two comical winners against Hajduk and West Brazil.
The problem was, we needed back up for KJ, his axis with Walters and the wingers was working very well. Signing a high profile, big name, ill-fitting star player was just about the last thing we needed to do and, as others have said, it was the beginning of the end for TP, just when it seemed that the sky was the limit.
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