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Post by bertiestan on Aug 30, 2013 11:22:57 GMT
Come on Hackett, surely you've not seen enough of him to come to that conclusion. I also reckon Shea, Cameron and California boy edu would've had some banter about how cold the Brit is, even in the height of summer.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Aug 30, 2013 11:28:42 GMT
I'd up it to 1 million if there is no other striking options. Think about it. We're basically paying 1 million for a striker who is in form and very young on a four and a half year deal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2013 11:30:21 GMT
Or paying a million for a 4 month loan deal for someone who may or may not be worth it.
New England won't sell anyway imo. It makes more sense for them to keep him.
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 30, 2013 11:34:17 GMT
I hope he doesn't come over yet I've got New England revs on my accumulator for Satdy
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 30, 2013 11:36:08 GMT
It'll all depend how we are progressing with our other targets I suppose.
If we look like drawing a blank I'd just pay the money and get him here as it could be a long few months until January.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 11:45:05 GMT
I wouldn't bother myself. Wasted money on a player we'll have in January anyway, and we'll benefit from him getting games under his belt in the United Stokes of America.
Just give KJ a run now, and try and bring in A.N. Other before the window shuts.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Aug 30, 2013 12:52:09 GMT
MLS are stupid if they don't accept anything for him, what's the point in letting him leave for free, take the $750k! The problem isn't that the MLS won't accept our offer, it is his club who are digging their heels in. This is because, under the rather odd way (to our eyes) that they arrange things in the MLS, his club only get a small proportion of any fee - and that proportion is not big enough to compensate them for losing one of their most important players in their campaign for a playoff place. In the MLS the player's registration is held by the MLS and not his club, and so the MLS get the lion's share of any fees paid for a player. That sounds very plausible. I presume it's against the rules to make a separate top-up offer to the club to get them to bite?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2013 12:53:44 GMT
Could we organise it so from whenever the MLS season ends he comes on loan to us?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 30, 2013 13:03:17 GMT
The problem isn't that the MLS won't accept our offer, it is his club who are digging their heels in. This is because, under the rather odd way (to our eyes) that they arrange things in the MLS, his club only get a small proportion of any fee - and that proportion is not big enough to compensate them for losing one of their most important players in their campaign for a playoff place. In the MLS the player's registration is held by the MLS and not his club, and so the MLS get the lion's share of any fees paid for a player. That sounds very plausible. I presume it's against the rules to make a separate top-up offer to the club to get them to bite? Yes, it would be against MLS rules so, if they found out about, it they'd go ape I should think, and Stoke's name would be mud both in the US - and in Europe if the MLS complained to UEFA.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 30, 2013 13:05:26 GMT
Could we organise it so from whenever the MLS season ends he comes on loan to us? No, if Beckam's loan to AC Milan a couple of years back could not take place until Jan 1, then Agudelo and Stoke would come under the same rules.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2013 13:07:53 GMT
Could we organise it so from whenever the MLS season ends he comes on loan to us? No, if Beckam's loan to AC Milan a couple of years back could not take place until Jan 1, then Agudelo and Stoke would come under the same rules. Yeah I think he'd have to sign now, go back on loan to NE and then come back to us. But with the MLS transfer window closed that couldn't happen. Damn it.
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Post by seven77 on Aug 30, 2013 13:15:56 GMT
I noticed this morning he has retweeted a couple of articles claiming he wanted to leave early, but the fee was rejected etc so it seems he wants to leave now.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 30, 2013 13:34:10 GMT
The attempts to get Agudelo early make sense, given his goalscoring return after injury. I finally got round to watching the Revs game from the other night and he is head and shoulders above most on the pitch - even though he ambles around a lot, he comes to life when it matters (like all good strikers - see Fuller!), is decent enough in the air to win headers, has a turn of pace and is very direct. He is still raw, and that league is nowhere near the Prem's standard, but watching that only made me more excited about his arrival.
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Post by philb on Aug 30, 2013 13:39:10 GMT
It is a tough one tbh. Paying near £1,000,000 for a player we'll get for nowt in four months just doesn't make financial sense but then again if we can't sign anyone else, obviously for a much bigger fee, then the club/Hughes may feel they have little choice especially if we're moving one or two on before Monday. Decisions decisions..............????
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 30, 2013 13:52:12 GMT
Seen who wrote the article... Marc Stein. Can't do with pretentious prats who alter the way they spell their name to look cool. Had a pal called Andy, but he wrote it Andi....Prat.... How do you know he wasn't christened Marc Stein?
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 30, 2013 13:54:34 GMT
It's too late to pay up for him to come early. you need around four weeks of discussions with the MLS to agree a fee.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 14:10:34 GMT
Seen who wrote the article... Marc Stein. Can't do with pretentious prats who alter the way they spell their name to look cool. Had a pal called Andy, but he wrote it Andi....Prat.... How do you know he wasn't christened Marc Stein? Was tongue in cheek suggesting it was our very own Mark Stein
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 30, 2013 14:15:38 GMT
It's too late to pay up for him to come early. you need around four weeks of discussions with the MLS to agree a fee. The word is that the MLS are happy with the fee - not surprising as they get the lion's share of it. It is the club who are not happy - as they only get a fraction of the fee and would lose a player who might get them into the playoffs.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2013 14:19:21 GMT
It's too late to pay up for him to come early. you need around four weeks of discussions with the MLS to agree a fee. The word is that the MLS are happy with the fee - not surprising as they get the lion's share of it. It is the club who are not happy - as they only get a fraction of the fee and would lose a player who might get them into the playoffs. And they lose the right to him if he comes back to the MLS. If he leaves on a free, NE keep his MLS registration, which they then can trade for money or players or have Agudelo when/if he goes back. New England benefit more by keeping him until his contract runs out.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 30, 2013 14:28:28 GMT
The attempts to get Agudelo early make sense, given his goalscoring return after injury. I finally got round to watching the Revs game from the other night and he is head and shoulders above most on the pitch - even though he ambles around a lot, he comes to life when it matters (like all good strikers - see Fuller!), is decent enough in the air to win headers, has a turn of pace and is very direct. He is still raw, and that league is nowhere near the Prem's standard, but watching that only made me more excited about his arrival. I think we have to accept, Jezza, that the chances of getting him early are slim to nil. On the positive side he can join us for training as soon as the MLS season ends which should give Sparky and his staff a month or more to try to "educate" him in what he has to do to be a success in the Prem. Here's to his hat trick on his debut against Everton on Jan 1st - or with that being a Bank Holiday will it have to wait until the FA Cup game the following weekend?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 30, 2013 17:31:24 GMT
According to that SoccerByIves bloke, it seems to be down to MLS, rather than NE Revs though? If that's true, and it's solely down to them to give it a thumbs-up or thumbs-down, you'd think that in the end they're maybe more open to sell than if the NE Revs had some kind of veto - especially if Agudelo turns the pressure up (as he seems to be doing!)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 30, 2013 17:45:46 GMT
According to that SoccerByIves bloke, it seems to be down to MLS, rather than NE Revs though? If that's true, and it's solely down to them to give it a thumbs-up or thumbs-down, you'd think that in the end they're maybe more open to sell than if the NE Revs had some kind of veto - especially if Agudelo turns the pressure up (as he seems to be doing!) Surely, the NE Revs MUST have a veto as (as Bayern indicated above) they retain rights to re-employ him should he return to the US if, and only if, he leaves at the end of his contract but not if he is sold mid contract. Even though the MLS hold the contracts of all the players, I can't imagine that the rules allow a player to be removed from a club in mid season against their agreement, unless the club has done something against the rules of the league which NE Revs haven't as far as we know.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 30, 2013 17:50:15 GMT
Who knows, Forny?
But I read that SoccerByIves story as basically saying that's exactly what the MLS can do with players in the last year of their deal to ensure some money is brought in for them.
It seems to say that MLS can ride roughshod over a club's wishes and authorise a sale when a player is in his final year.
In practice, it probably would be a drastic step though.
But if Agudelo continues to leave everyone in no doubt that he wants to leave by re-tweeting every story he can find on the subject, who knows?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 30, 2013 17:55:06 GMT
Fingers crossed!
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Post by 4kingal on Aug 30, 2013 17:56:22 GMT
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Post by liveattheoasis on Aug 30, 2013 17:59:45 GMT
Again, only good can come of this. If we get him in, great. If we don't, it's signaling to agents of our striker targets that we are going to other options and are in a stronger position.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2013 18:02:08 GMT
Haha, I love Brek! If I was the decision maker at the MLS though, all this would just make me dig my heels in more.
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Post by Jimm on Aug 30, 2013 18:04:34 GMT
Stoke loud & proud seem to think we've made a 3rd bid, smells of desperation to me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 18:06:59 GMT
Stoke loud & proud seem to think we've made a 3rd bid, smells of desperation to me The sound of the barrel being scraped im afraid. What a desperate state.
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Post by robchicken on Aug 30, 2013 18:13:53 GMT
#freejuanagudelo
Gotta love that hashtag
Free the NE one
Like he's an innocent prisoner being campaigned for
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