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Post by generationex on Aug 28, 2013 9:03:54 GMT
I don't care who Hughes signs if he doesn't keep us up. If he doesn't he's failed absolutely. If he does with better football he's succeeded. End of.
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Post by mcf on Aug 28, 2013 9:09:06 GMT
I'm still a bit perplexed about this new way.
It seemed to involve Huth and Shawcross passing the ball along the back 4 a lot more....which didn't seem to produce too much.
It seemed to fall down when we didn't have a genuine right sided player on the pitch. One minute Walters was there, then there was a gaping hole - this led to this disjointed nature of the end of the first half perhaps more than a failure to pass more.
We had better success second half when we were more direct.
So in short, if fans want to get a hard on over some great transition, then good for them...but that isn't what produced the win.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 9:22:47 GMT
What's coming across loud and clear is that certain posters will moan about the manager and everything Stoke City whatever happens.....
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Post by mcf on Aug 28, 2013 9:32:02 GMT
Do you think if Coates had given Hughes 80-100 mill there would be any of the old Pulis lineup left bar maybe 4 players? I don't.
Quality that RAF because the last time he was given a bucketful of money to tranform a team, he produced a squad that was relegation fodder.
I'd suggest that Hughes sticks with the majority of players that he inherited playing a very similar way until he actually finds the required quality.
Our performances over the last few years simply don't match the argument that they are all toss.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 9:37:54 GMT
I'm still a bit perplexed about this new way. It seemed to involve Huth and Shawcross passing the ball along the back 4 a lot more....which didn't seem to produce too much. It seemed to fall down when we didn't have a genuine right sided player on the pitch. One minute Walters was there, then there was a gaping hole - this led to this disjointed nature of the end of the first half perhaps more than a failure to pass more. We had better success second half when we were more direct. So in short, if fans want to get a hard on over some great transition, then good for them...but that isn't what produced the win. Agreed. Being direct and positive is what turned things round, which is something we stopped being last season. Nice to know we have that stuff as a plan b while we try and get the players to make plan a work.
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Post by Gods on Aug 28, 2013 9:44:29 GMT
Pugs forgot his regular line dat dross wat TP spunked £100m on...... That dross which will continue to form the bulk of our squad going forward Hughes hasn't really been given a choice about that, it's more about finances and need than actual design. Do you think if Coates had given Hughes 80-100 mill there would be any of the old Pulis lineup left bar maybe 4 players? I don't. H Is the famous 80-100m number across 5 seasons? To build a Prem side from some have a go heroes from the Championship. So that's 15m to 20m per season on average. I wouldn't be surprised if Hughes isn't given that much to spend this season in this window and the January window. And he's starting with an established Premier League team. I'm not knocking Hughes, I think he is doing fine and if we were to run without pulis then he would have been my first choice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 9:52:02 GMT
Do you think budgets are just made up week by week?
Budgets and business plans are produced well in advance and the manager knows exactly what they are going to get , it would be part of the discussions when MH signed up.
Could it simply be that he, like TP thinks its better to evolve slowly and we have a decent squad that just needs a few extras? Doesn't fit the Football Manager 13 generation I know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 9:54:49 GMT
Do you think budgets are just made up week by week? Budgets and business plans are produced well in advance and the manager knows exactly what they are going to get , it would be part of the discussions when MH signed up. Could it simply be that he, like TP thinks its better to evolve slowly and we have a decent squad that just needs a few extras? Doesn't fit the Football Manager 13 generation I know. Like TP?! Actual evolution moved more quickly than his idea of it.
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Post by RAF on Aug 28, 2013 9:58:12 GMT
Hughes hasn't really been given a choice about that, it's more about finances and need than actual design. Do you think if Coates had given Hughes 80-100 mill there would be any of the old Pulis lineup left bar maybe 4 players? I don't. H Is the famous 80-100m number across 5 seasons? To build a Prem side from some have a go heroes from the Championship. So that's 15m to 20m per season on average. I wouldn't be surprised if Hughes isn't given that much to spend this season in this window and the January window. And he's starting with an established Premier League team. I'm not knocking Hughes, I think he is doing fine and if we were to run without pulis then he would have been my first choice. By the looks of it Hughes isn't even being afforded half of what Pulis was per season. Time will tell I suppose, but let's not make out Hughes has inherited a squad that doesn't need several additions and a complete footballing mindset if we are to change not only the way we play but the way we are thought of . H
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Post by mcf on Aug 28, 2013 10:08:37 GMT
i'll be shocked if plan a works
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 10:10:44 GMT
i'll be shocked if plan a works I think we still need 3-4 players if it's going to work well and often.
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Post by RAF on Aug 28, 2013 10:11:06 GMT
i'll be shocked if plan a works I'd be shocked if you had a fucking clue what Plan A is! H
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Post by Gods on Aug 28, 2013 10:16:41 GMT
Is the famous 80-100m number across 5 seasons? To build a Prem side from some have a go heroes from the Championship. So that's 15m to 20m per season on average. I wouldn't be surprised if Hughes isn't given that much to spend this season in this window and the January window. And he's starting with an established Premier League team. I'm not knocking Hughes, I think he is doing fine and if we were to run without pulis then he would have been my first choice. By the looks of it Hughes isn't even being afforded half of what Pulis was per season. Time will tell I suppose, but let's not make out Hughes has inherited a squad that doesn't need several additions and a complete footballing mindset if we are to change not only the way we play but the way we are thought of . H Yeah, I do like what I have seen of Hughes and I hope he is given the resources. I'd be surprised if he would even have taken the job without some assurances. I seem to remember the reason he left Fulham for QPR was because he didn't consider Fulham sufficiently ambitious so while his star was somewhat on the wane when he came to us I still don't think he would have taken the first job that came along whatever it was and without any belief he would be properly backed. We'll see.For the moment he seems erudite, humble and quietly determined to me and I like all those attributes he has.
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Post by mcf on Aug 28, 2013 10:31:38 GMT
Come off it RAF
We stayed up last year with a squad that underperformed thanks to a useless manager according to most of you lot.
At the end of the day it got points out of 24 games and only lost 14 games of football.
Who have we really lost that played regularly? Whitehead?
Hughes will only be massively up against it if he fucks about too much. If he performs at his best then surely he can improve on that tosser Pulis?
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Post by mcf on Aug 28, 2013 10:34:49 GMT
Maybe RVD but IMHO the single reason as to why we will struggle to implement plan a will be because our 2 best defenders aren't ball players and I really wouldn't want those two replaced.
I just hope Hughes sticks with Pulisball but is just better at it than Pulis was last year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 10:37:06 GMT
Maybe RVD but IMHO the single reason as to why we will struggle to implement plan a will be because our 2 best defenders aren't ball players and I really wouldn't want those two replaced. I just hope Hughes sticks with Pulisball but is just better at it than Pulis was last year. For me the problem isn't so much that as we haven't got anyone protecting them whereas before we had everyone protecting them. Ironically, what we now need is a big nasty bastard to shield the back four and keep it simple.
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Post by mcf on Aug 28, 2013 10:38:43 GMT
I thought that was Wilson?
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Aug 28, 2013 10:40:12 GMT
Come off it RAF We stayed up last year with a squad that underperformed thanks to a useless manager according to most of you lot. At the end of the day it got points out of 24 games and only lost 14 games of football. Who have we really lost that played regularly? Whitehead? Hughes will only be massively up against it if he fucks about too much. If he performs at his best then surely he can improve on that tosser Pulis? Didn't Pulis 'fuck about too much'? Dropping Jones for the immobile Crouch? Going ultra negative and long ball after playing so well in our run up to the cup final?
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 28, 2013 10:41:43 GMT
Maybe RVD but IMHO the single reason as to why we will struggle to implement plan a will be because our 2 best defenders aren't ball players and I really wouldn't want those two replaced. I just hope Hughes sticks with Pulisball but is just better at it than Pulis was last year. So you're saying Shawcross and Huth can't pass the ball 10 or 20 yards to an unmarked man? How fucking ridiculous is that.
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Post by RAF on Aug 28, 2013 10:49:47 GMT
Come off it RAF We stayed up last year with a squad that underperformed thanks to a useless manager according to most of you lot. At the end of the day it got points out of 24 games and only lost 14 games of football. Who have we really lost that played regularly? Whitehead? Hughes will only be massively up against it if he fucks about too much. If he performs at his best then surely he can improve on that tosser Pulis? That will come down to the personnel surely? If Hughes is going to change the way we play then it's all about them being able to adapt, especially if he isn't going to be afforded wholesale changes. Now you are suggesting our two centre halves can't pass a fucking ball 10-20 yards to feet. It seems to me that if Hughes is up against professional footballers who cannot pass then his job is a whole lot harder. Of course he could revert to Pulis style of 11 men behind the ball and twatting the ball up the pitch, but then why sack Pulis in the first place if that was the idea? H
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 28, 2013 10:55:36 GMT
The Irony of this thread is that Hughes performed much better when he had a to make the most of what he had ( Wales Blackburn , Fulham) than he did when he had loads to spend (Citeh & QPR) so it could be that he is better at coaching than shopping
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 11:06:07 GMT
I thought that was Wilson? It's supposed to be. But it isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 11:07:03 GMT
The Irony of this thread is that Hughes performed much better when he had a to make the most of what he had ( Wales Blackburn , Fulham) than he did when he had loads to spend (Citeh & QPR) so it could be that he is better at coaching than shopping He bought some cracking players at Blackburn though. He rebuilt that side for relative peanuts.
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Post by steve66 on Aug 28, 2013 11:30:30 GMT
Are these the shite and dross that we have ALL been supporting for the last few years, and who got us to Wembley? What a shower! Great post, mate. I concur 100%. God, is doesn't take some people long to forget.We've had a great bunch of lads turning out for us, not world class players, but everyone a spartan. I've loved 'em all, and will always be thankful to them. I know we have to move on and look for better, but for God's sake, don't let's be back stabbers and hypocrits . Well said gents .
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Post by mcf on Aug 28, 2013 11:37:12 GMT
Bang on the money RAF
His job could be fucking hard if he has to 'improve' the football without the necessary additions.
So much so that I'd rather him not risk it.
I think our players are players are perfectly capable of playing good football off the forwards...just don't see the need in asking Huth or Shawcross to over complicate things.
If they adapt then great but it will have to be better than at the weekend.
If not then hopefully Hughes will have the sense to go with a proven, if more ugly, method.
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