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Post by only1steino on Aug 20, 2013 15:52:18 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 20, 2013 15:55:07 GMT
For Stoke.
Tee hee.
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Post by onionman on Aug 20, 2013 16:19:43 GMT
Kevin Phillips has managed to miss 11? How come he keeps being allowed to take them?
The biggest problem with Walters's record is that we score so few goals and create so few chances, so it really stings when we get a penalty and the same bloke misses it again.
Van Persie could miss 55 penalties in one game for Man Utd, and nobody would care because they'd still win 3-0.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 20, 2013 16:23:23 GMT
Kevin Phillips has managed to miss 11? How come he keeps being allowed to take them? . Scored 11, missed 7. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 16:24:07 GMT
I,d give it to Charlie Adams, providing he was on the pitch. Vital point lost last weekend, methinks!
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Post by vahl on Aug 20, 2013 16:26:06 GMT
Marc Wilson always seems technically sound, we should give him the mantle when he plays.
Other than that, I am scratching my head. Adam & Whelan can strike a ball but, chances are they will fly over the bar.
Walters is an absolute liability from the spot. Mr predictable.
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Post by Batfink on Aug 20, 2013 16:26:44 GMT
I,d give it to Charlie Adams, providing he was on the pitch. Vital point lost last weekend, methinks! Charlie who? |
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Post by elystokie on Aug 20, 2013 16:30:42 GMT
Walters could possibly be forgiven if he had anywhere near the talent of Defoe and Fabregas.
He doesn't tho'.
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Post by onionman on Aug 20, 2013 16:38:07 GMT
Kevin Phillips has managed to miss 11? How come he keeps being allowed to take them? . Scored 11, missed 7. Good spot. Still pretty bad though, a record I'd have thought. |
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Post by homer32 on Aug 20, 2013 17:23:22 GMT
I admired Walters with his penalties against Newcastle & QPR ( taken twice )at the end of last season as they were crucial with us plummeting towards the relegation trapdoor and took some balls to take them & score. He is very predictable and unless he hits it perfectly into the corner the goalie is always going to have a chance but his record is not that bad. We only hear of the likes of Ricky Lambert with his 100% record 32 out of 32 which is truly remarkable really.If we sign the players that Sparky is interested in it is likely that Walters will lose his place in the team anyway and we will have to find a new pen taker anyway. Higgi was our best pen taker in recent seasons and I am struggling to come up with an alternative, I would say Adam if he is on the pitch as he may also be on the subs bench.
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Post by goonyoustoke on Aug 20, 2013 17:53:25 GMT
Geoff Cameron has a mean-awesome 12 yarder comeuppance super smash
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 20, 2013 17:55:57 GMT
The Fabregas stat is not credible. He only took 5 and missed 2
That is hardly a fair comparison.
It just looks good on paper ( if you don't read all the paper)
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Aug 20, 2013 18:03:19 GMT
I admired Walters with his penalties against Newcastle & QPR ( taken twice )at the end of last season as they were crucial with us plummeting towards the relegation trapdoor and took some balls to take them & score. He is very predictable and unless he hits it perfectly into the corner the goalie is always going to have a chance but his record is not that bad. We only hear of the likes of Ricky Lambert with his 100% record 32 out of 32 which is truly remarkable really.If we sign the players that Sparky is interested in it is likely that Walters will lose his place in the team anyway and we will have to find a new pen taker anyway. Higgi was our best pen taker in recent seasons and I am struggling to come up with an alternative, I would say Adam if he is on the pitch as he may also be on the subs bench. James Beattie was the best penalty taker we've had, and was one of the best anywhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 18:17:36 GMT
He probably runs more miles per game; is fitter*; more hard working; and more humble.
I would have either of the other two over him, though.
* nowt queer, mind :-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 18:19:18 GMT
I,d give it to Charlie Adams, providing he was on the pitch. Vital point lost last weekend, methinks!  Adam |
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Post by lordb on Aug 20, 2013 18:21:37 GMT
I admired Walters with his penalties against Newcastle & QPR ( taken twice )at the end of last season as they were crucial with us plummeting towards the relegation trapdoor and took some balls to take them & score. He is very predictable and unless he hits it perfectly into the corner the goalie is always going to have a chance but his record is not that bad. We only hear of the likes of Ricky Lambert with his 100% record 32 out of 32 which is truly remarkable really.If we sign the players that Sparky is interested in it is likely that Walters will lose his place in the team anyway and we will have to find a new pen taker anyway. Higgi was our best pen taker in recent seasons and I am struggling to come up with an alternative, I would say Adam if he is on the pitch as he may also be on the subs bench. James Beattie was the best penalty taker we've had, and was one of the best anywhere. yes I agree Beattie was the best Higgy was excellent - remember that one v Spurs when the ball was being blown about? I'm still astounded at how good George Berry was at taking penno's Hoefkens was good too Kavanagh was the worst I don't really know who should take them now tbh. |
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Post by burge2u on Aug 20, 2013 18:54:51 GMT
Ooh Georgie Berry is the bestest penalty taker we've ever had IMO.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 20, 2013 19:10:27 GMT
The thing that does my napper in with Walters' penalties is he puts them in the same place nearly every time. This means the odds are in favour of a save. Fucking brain dead.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 20, 2013 19:11:18 GMT
One of Fabregas' misses was against us and saved by Sorensen, wasn't it?
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Post by onionman on Aug 20, 2013 19:18:31 GMT
The Fabregas stat is not credible. He only took 5 and missed 2 That is hardly a fair comparison. It just looks good on paper ( if you don't read all the paper) Anything that makes Fabregas look like a wanker, on paper, grass or anything else, is fine by me. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 20, 2013 19:36:52 GMT
I can't remember all of Walters penalties but I have it in my head that he's better blasting it (as long as it stays on target of course).
Out of our current crop I'd pick Etherington if he's playing.
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Post by onionman on Aug 20, 2013 19:46:47 GMT
I can't remember all of Walters penalties but I have it in my head that he's better blasting it (as long as it stays on target of course). Out of our current crop I'd pick Etherington if he's playing. Walters used to just blast it, and he kept missing, so somebody must have advised him to pick a spot and place it there. Unfortunately, Jon being Jon, he picked his spot and then decided to place every single penalty in the rest of his career in that same bloody spot. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 19:57:01 GMT
Dont know why we don't give Huth a run of Penalties. If he can blast a ball from 12 yards on target it would take a brave keeper to put a hand to it  |
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Post by jonscfc1990 on Aug 20, 2013 20:01:20 GMT
Hughes should sub himself on before a pen and show us all how it's really done! But knowing Stoke, he'd probably fucking miss.  |
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Post by Pricey on Aug 20, 2013 21:22:28 GMT
I advocate the use of a sub spot for a specialist penalty taker. Then if we get one late in the game, as per Saturday, we sub him (James Beattie?) on and there'd not be enough time left in the game for it to adversely effect us.
This does mean though that if we got a penalty before the last 10 minutes we'd either have to use two subs to get him on and off or let SJW take it. Work in progress, admittedly, but with our current strike rate from penalties being about 50% we'd probably be better off giving 100 monkeys 100 balls and 100 seconds to find the net from 12 yards than persisting with Walters.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 20, 2013 21:46:18 GMT
As a matter of interest, I wonder what Fuller's % is ? His penalties used to worry me sick, but, being Fuller, he seemed to get away without the criticism others have. And the decision that he should take them if he was the one fouled seemed just bizarre.
Also, anyone who has played poker knows that it's not that simple. IF Super Jon takes the next penalty, I think he should put it in the same spot - precisely because after all the publicity about it, a keeper is most likely to assume that he will change.
But whether he continues to take them is surely a decision for the team management. I never liked TP's view that he didn't mind who stepped up to take them. You need a player with the technical ability to put where he intends; the mental strength to take it under pressure and who wants to do it. There's no point any of us having a view about who should take it without that necessary knowledge. Hughes should decide it.
I thought Beattie's technique was excellent. Anyone know what his % was ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 21:51:25 GMT
I don't think Beattie ever missed.
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Post by Pricey on Aug 20, 2013 22:00:40 GMT
As a matter of interest, I wonder what Fuller's % is ? His penalties used to worry me sick, but, being Fuller, he seemed to get away without the criticism others have. And the decision that he should take them if he was the one fouled seemed just bizarre. Also, anyone who has played poker knows that it's not that simple. IF Super Jon takes the next penalty, I think he should put it in the same spot - precisely because after all the publicity about it, a keeper is most likely to assume that he will change. But whether he continues to take them is surely a decision for the team management. I never liked TP's view that he didn't mind who stepped up to take them. You need a player with the technical ability to put where he intends; the mental strength to take it under pressure and who wants to do it. There's no point any of us having a view about who should take it without that necessary knowledge. Hughes should decide it. I thought Beattie's technique was excellent. Anyone know what his % was ? There's an entire chapter in Soccernomics about the science of penalties. You're meant to randomize them. Frank Ribery doesn't even know which way he's going to hit it when he starts his run-up. |
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Post by upthefud on Aug 21, 2013 9:15:29 GMT
I can't remember all of Walters penalties but I have it in my head that he's better blasting it (as long as it stays on target of course). Out of our current crop I'd pick Etherington if he's playing. Ethers missed in the FA Cup qtr final at home to West Ham, he isn't brilliant |
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