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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 1, 2013 21:42:48 GMT
I think Rawlins indicated in the interview the other day that the discussions to get rid had been long standing, Rob. Sure we were on a downward spiral but there were always three or more worse sides by a mile and if that's not the case next year, that's not Pulis's fault, it is Coates, Hughes, then the suit mob, in that order. That's very much hindsight talking though mate, after the Villa and WHU games we looked very much in the thick of it. I don't believe for a second that had results and performances been good after Christmas the board would have got rid. It was getting so little return for the last two years' investment in terms of results that got him the chop, surely? If not that then what? I thing the change was very much a 'fuck me' what have we got for our money decision Rob, driven by Denise but I doubt, even though results were poor, that prospective relegation was a genuine first line fear if we stuck with Pulis. The sacking was about progression not fear. If we struggle, constantly in the bottom three, then it will be unacceptable, verging on the shameful and Coates will be at the front of the queue for the stick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 21:44:19 GMT
That's very much hindsight talking though mate, after the Villa and WHU games we looked very much in the thick of it. I don't believe for a second that had results and performances been good after Christmas the board would have got rid. It was getting so little return for the last two years' investment in terms of results that got him the chop, surely? If not that then what? I thing the change was very much a 'fuck me' what have we got for our money decision Rob, driven by Denise but I doubt, even though results were poor, that prospective relegation was a genuine first line fear if we stuck with Pulis. The sacking was about progression not fear. If we struggle, constantly in the bottom three, then it will be unacceptable, verging on the shameful and Coates will be at the front of the queue for the stick. I think there was very much a feeling we'd be in trouble this season had things not changed. We were only heading one way.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 1, 2013 21:52:10 GMT
I thing the change was very much a 'fuck me' what have we got for our money decision Rob, driven by Denise but I doubt, even though results were poor, that prospective relegation was a genuine first line fear if we stuck with Pulis. The sacking was about progression not fear. If we struggle, constantly in the bottom three, then it will be unacceptable, verging on the shameful and Coates will be at the front of the queue for the stick. I think there was very much a feeling we'd be in trouble this season had things not changed. We were only heading one way. Perhaps but there were always three teams way, way, way worse than a Pulis side for five years and if that's not the case next year, it will be fuck all to do with Pulis and ultimately the board and the new regime will be completely responsible if we struggle, as will they if we finish top half.
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Post by liamo on Aug 1, 2013 21:59:23 GMT
Bit of both, if we get a few wins and look dangerous i'll start to enjoy it, at the moment i feel like i did when we were first promoted and paddy power paid out early on us being relegated, i have no idea what to expect
Teams around us are spending big, but then that didn't help QPR, i just hope Hughes has some gems up his sleeve
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 22:01:16 GMT
I don't think it was a given we wouldn't be in trouble though - we were getting closer over the last two years for no reason beyond mismanagement.
It would be very strange if, when discussing a decision as momentous and potentially fateful as replacing a long-serving, incredibly successful manager, the word 'relegation' never came up.
I agree with your order of who takes the blame if we're in trouble next season, but for all that Tone has left us a squad that's in pretty poor nick for what's been spent on it and the new found reticence to spend, though ill-advised to a degree - is surely at least influenced in part by our piss-poor business over the last couple of summers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 22:03:36 GMT
I think there was very much a feeling we'd be in trouble this season had things not changed. We were only heading one way. Perhaps but there were always three teams way, way, way worse than a Pulis side for five years and if that's not the case next year, it will be fuck all to do with Pulis and ultimately the board and the new regime will be completely responsible if we struggle, as will they if we finish top half. Even if the vast majority of the squad that is struggling, is the one that TP spunked umpteen million pounds on?? I would say that until the squad overhaul is complete, TP will always be partly responsible - good or bad.
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Post by Boothen on Aug 1, 2013 22:05:02 GMT
Excited but apprehensive just about sums my thoughts up.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 1, 2013 22:13:22 GMT
I don't think it was a given we wouldn't be in trouble though - we were getting closer over the last two years for no reason beyond mismanagement. It would be very strange if, when discussing a decision as momentous and potentially fateful as replacing a long-serving, incredibly successful manager, the word 'relegation' never came up. I agree with your order of who takes the blame if we're in trouble next season, but for all that Tone has left us a squad that's in pretty poor nick for what's been spent on it and the new found reticence to spend, though ill-advised to a degree - is surely at least influenced in part by our piss-poor business over the last couple of summers. The R word may have come up Rob and I think the decision was made well before we got 8 points from the last 15 available (which the players still deserve great credit for considering the run we'd been on) but I still don't think it was a 'fuck me' we're going down if we don't change decision. I think it was about moving forward, not 40 point Tone and his three year plan which turned into just a 40 point Tone 5 year plan. 40 point Mark will do me just fine next year but more is needed after that and less than 40 points next year is just not on.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 1, 2013 22:13:37 GMT
I wouldn't look past TP for blame for our drop off at the end of last season and, indeed, at the very end he went down doing what he had done so frustratingly so many times before, tinkering with a winning formula with Jerome and Crouch up front. However, retrospectively speaking, the board should either have decided to give him full backing at the start of last season or let him go. The situation we saw on the surface looked positively poisonous, so goodness knows what the full extent of things was. It sure as hell wasn't healthy though and I'm sure that it played a part in things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 3:18:37 GMT
If Stoke do well, it will be down to Hughes,if they do badly it will be down to Pulis. Nice postion for MH to be in. A similar position to the one Harry Redknapp found himself in. If we go down the order will be Coates then Hughes (and his staff) then The Players If we do go down with little or no more investment made on players, then this will be the Coates families doing. If good investment is made £25mill+, then it's all down to Hughes. Obviously relegation would be a disaster, but a spell in the Championship with a heavy emphasis on the Academy may be the only way to actually build the club in the sustainable way that Peter Coates seems to advocate. The question has to be - What's more important for Peter Coates, sustainability or Premiership status? If you were to take a cynical view you could argue that the Coates family are simply saying "enough is enough", shutting up shop and getting their money back out of the club. This seasons revenues plus a guaranteed parachute payment will more than cover the investments made. As the main benefactor and after the last 2 seasons wastefulness I could fully understand this position as being a likely one. In this scenario Pulis has to take the lions share of the blame. We are definitely at a crossroads, no question.
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Post by markscfc72 on Aug 2, 2013 10:31:41 GMT
Excited, should be a good season
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