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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 20:03:25 GMT
There's our mystery man, US striker Juan Agudelo! He's In talks with stoke over a transfer.
*awaits compilations and angry wikipedia stats*
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Post by stokeymad on Jul 31, 2013 20:06:35 GMT
Bit of an anti-climax
vis unita fortior
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2013 20:07:56 GMT
I thought they said he hadn't been mentioned before..... "As SL&P and the Fortress told you on July 12th" And didn't they say then he was in the UK when he was actually on the radio in America? All that hype and then it's Juan Agudelo.  |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 31, 2013 20:08:06 GMT
Yawn.....  |
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Post by Danstoke82 on Jul 31, 2013 20:08:23 GMT
Definite anti climax.
A relatively unknown from the MLS. Are we purely scouting over there?
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 31, 2013 20:11:21 GMT
Only young and time to develop, not sure he Is better now than what we have
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jul 31, 2013 20:15:01 GMT
Theres our mystery man, US striker Juan Agudelo! He's I'm talks with stoke over a trasnfer. *awaits compilations and angry wikipedia stats* I didn't realise wikipedia stats had emotions. |
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Post by unknown182 on Jul 31, 2013 20:16:11 GMT
He only joined New England two months ago. Can't see it happening
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Post by frumpy on Jul 31, 2013 20:17:08 GMT
He only joined New England two months ago. Can't see it happening Do some research. His contract is up in Nov. Last chance to sell. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 20:17:11 GMT
Wikipedia says one of the best young forwards in mls. Obviously I don't know what that amounts to but he could be a potential star. Then again he could be awful! Who knows
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Post by desman2 on Jul 31, 2013 20:17:24 GMT
Here you go
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2013 20:19:09 GMT
He only joined New England two months ago. Can't see it happening Do some research. His contract is up in Nov. Last chance to sell. Re research, has he played for two clubs already within the boundaries FIFA set? I have no idea but I would imagine he might have done? |
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Post by bristolpotter on Jul 31, 2013 20:19:21 GMT
Hmmm what we all wanted was Monte Carlo what it looks like we're getting is Southend, whoopee
Squad player could be useful if that's it then fuck me sideways we're in the shit!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 20:23:02 GMT
Looking at that video he certainly comes alive in the box. Got a bit of Defoe in him, younger, cheaper option? Ahhh sign him up, that clip as sold him me
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Post by frumpy on Jul 31, 2013 20:23:48 GMT
He's 20, has more upside than arguably and striker 21 or under in America and has been on a few teams which ended up being terrible situations, including being stuck behind Henry at 18 in NY. He's also had a few injuries and is injured right now but the start to this season was his best ever with 5 goals in 11 appearances, split between two teams in LA and Boston. Very technical player, large, can hold up and can go at players 1v1. Colombian and plays more like a Colombian than your typical American. But, he's a prospect.
From a few months ago.
When he was 18 two years ago.
By the way, he's best friends with Brek Shea.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 31, 2013 20:27:05 GMT
Wow! I've just gone all Riccy Fuller!!! Sign him up. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2013 20:28:10 GMT
I'm pretty sure he has played for Chivas and New England so far this year. If signed, he couldn't play could he?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 20:28:32 GMT
Thanks Frumpy!
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 31, 2013 20:30:59 GMT
Aaaaa
Guuu
Delu Delu Delu
Push pineapples.....
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Post by unknown182 on Jul 31, 2013 20:33:27 GMT
I'm pretty sure he has played for Chivas and New England so far this year. If signed, he couldn't play could he? That's what i was thinking. He has played for both this year but i'm not sure about the ruling |
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Post by frumpy on Jul 31, 2013 20:34:57 GMT
I'm pretty sure he has played for Chivas and New England so far this year. If signed, he couldn't play could he? I think he could, and it goes back to the complications of MLS being "single entity". That takes a lot of time to delve into but MLS franchises are completely separate from each other like clubs in Europe are. Every move goes through MLS head quarters and they have the final say, and have approved and blocked deals. Just look at when Shea came here. FCD and Stoke agreed, then MLS came in and blocked the transfer until they got more money. FIFA looks at MLS more as one huge club or franchise. Don't ask me why. Add to that the MLS calender is different and when he was traded it was during last season for the PL. |
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Post by trigger on Jul 31, 2013 20:36:08 GMT
Stoke are probably unaware of any ruling themselves.
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Post by pottersson on Jul 31, 2013 20:37:22 GMT
Riccy fuller 2 if you ask me
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Post by seventhrowscreamer on Jul 31, 2013 20:38:00 GMT
Agudelo could be an effective striker off the bench. He just needs to find his form. His market value has been a problem for him in MLS. Whenever a young player has the obvious potential to play at a higher level than MLS he will often be moved from club to club. MLS clubs don't profit off transfers as much as clubs in the rest of the world because the league owns the player's contract. On top of that, the clubs must operate beneath a salary cap. Financially, it's hard to justify a player using up loads of salary cap space. Now factor in the Designated Player rule (enough rules for ya?)which allows clubs to buy players and pay them outside the cap. Juan will be out of contract next season and any MLS club interested would have to spend "DP" money to land him. Footballers like Agudelo struggle to find chemistry and form since none of the clubs want to be caught holding the proverbial bag.
If I were guessing, he would need at least half a season to adjust and at least that long before you saw him dress.
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Post by frumpy on Jul 31, 2013 20:38:21 GMT
Many of you liked Jozy Altidore. Agudelo is similar, loads of potential yet hasn't found a good situation Altidore was a year older when he finally moved to AZ, developed for two years and became a stud. Stoke would be potentially doing the same, getting a kid with loads of potential who just needs a good situation to develop in, and you could see an Altidore like improvement over the next two years.
Not PL ready IMO, but a clear PL talent who could be steal of s signing in a couple years, and he'd only be 22 at that point. Do think he could be a decent sub option at some point THIS season. Liverpool, Celtic and Stuttgart were extremely impressed with him over the last two winters when he trained with them and Celtic had an offer rejected last winter.
He's versatile too, can holdup as a lone center forward, can face goal and go 1v1 and can play on the wing. Very good touch, very good passer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2013 20:39:45 GMT
I'm pretty sure he has played for Chivas and New England so far this year. If signed, he couldn't play could he? I think he could, and it goes back to the complications of MLS being "single entity". That takes a lot of time to delve into but MLS franchises are completely separate from each other like clubs in Europe are. Every move goes through MLS head quarters and they have the final say, and have approved and blocked deals. Just look at when Shea came here. FCD and Stoke agreed, then MLS came in and blocked the transfer until they got more money. FIFA looks at MLS more as one huge club or franchise. Don't ask me why. Add to that the MLS calender is different and when he was traded it was during last season for the PL. That could bypass that rule then but I find that an odd way to look at it from FIFA's pov. It's a shit rule anyway mind. |
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Post by slozenger on Jul 31, 2013 20:40:58 GMT
Agudelo could be an effective striker off the bench. He just needs to find his form. His market value has been a problem for him in MLS. Whenever a young player has the obvious potential to play at a higher level than MLS he will often be moved from club to club. MLS clubs don't profit off transfers as much as clubs in the rest of the world because the league owns the player's contract. On top of that, the clubs must operate beneath a salary cap. Financially, it's hard to justify a player using up loads of salary cap space. Now factor in the Designated Player rule (enough rules for ya?)which allows clubs to buy players and pay them outside the cap. Juan will be out of contract next season and any MLS club interested would have to spend "DP" money to land him. Footballers like Agudelo struggle to find chemistry and form since none of the clubs want to be caught holding the proverbial bag. If I were guessing, he would need at least half a season to adjust and at least that long before you saw him dress.  I should hope so! |
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Post by frumpy on Jul 31, 2013 20:43:19 GMT
Agudelo could be an effective striker off the bench. He just needs to find his form. His market value has been a problem for him in MLS. Whenever a young player has the obvious potential to play at a higher level than MLS he will often be moved from club to club. MLS clubs don't profit off transfers as much as clubs in the rest of the world because the league owns the player's contract. On top of that, the clubs must operate beneath a salary cap. Financially, it's hard to justify a player using up loads of salary cap space. Now factor in the Designated Player rule (enough rules for ya?)which allows clubs to buy players and pay them outside the cap. Juan will be out of contract next season and any MLS club interested would have to spend "DP" money to land him. Footballers like Agudelo struggle to find chemistry and form since none of the clubs want to be caught holding the proverbial bag. If I were guessing, he would need at least half a season to adjust and at least that long before you saw him dress. It's complicated enough understanding MLS as an American but explaining it to Stoke fans is even tougher. I do think however there isn't a young American in MLS that MLS has been worse for. He could improve by leaps and bounds in two years in a good situation. Is Stoke under Hughes that situation? Dunno. But it's better than any MLS club for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 20:43:37 GMT
Riccy fuller 2 if you ask me More like Denise has hidden her purse if you ask me. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 31, 2013 20:45:08 GMT
Riccy fuller 2 if you ask me More like Denise has hidden her purse if you ask me. There we have it, momo will be soooo proud. |
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