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Post by jbstokie on Jul 2, 2013 19:47:01 GMT
He certainly isn't going to be playing left back any time soon.
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Post by slozenger on Jul 5, 2013 8:01:53 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2013 8:12:49 GMT
West Ham, under Avram Grant had a 7m bid accepted by Pompey and we won the day because they preferred money + players. The actual Wilson deal was made up of 3.5m + Lawrence + Kitson + the loans and 100% wages payments of Sonko (20k per week) and Dicko, in a deal reported to be worth 7m+. £3.5m then
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 5, 2013 8:17:17 GMT
3.5m + Lawrence who was worth 1.5m of anyone's money at the time, maybe more + Kitson who even though he was shit, had to be worth at least 1m given that we had paid 5m for him barely 12 months earlier.
Throw in 20k per week for 46 games (which by my maths is just under a million quid) + whatever wages Dicko would have been on and you have a deal that adds up to 7m, matching the offer, albeit with players thrown in, that West Ham had accepted.
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2013 8:23:59 GMT
no we had Kitson & Liam on the open market & got not one offer for either of them. so they we're worth less than nothing. As such they we're dead wood
we got Pompey to take 4 of our players (& pay them) whilst we took 1 player
as big a hero as Liam is he wasnt quite good enough (& Dicko nowhere near) for the the prem whilst Kitson & Sonko we're disasters Kitson could be argues to be disruptive too so getting him out of the club was important meanwhile we sign a player who has played 4 positions for us & looks a player
good business
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 8:26:50 GMT
Harsh on Lawrence. First season in the prem his return to the side was a big factor in us staying up. Second season he never got a look in but was still a better option out wide than Rory.
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2013 8:30:31 GMT
Harsh on Lawrence. First season in the prem his return to the side was a big factor in us staying up. Second season he never got a look in but was still a better option out wide than Rory. yes it's harsh but the fact is no-one offered us a fee for him no prem clubs we're interested & he's since stayed in the champ or played in a lesser league. did we ever find out the truth behind his abscence that time - did he really trip over his dog?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 8:40:00 GMT
Harsh on Lawrence. First season in the prem his return to the side was a big factor in us staying up. Second season he never got a look in but was still a better option out wide than Rory. yes it's harsh but the fact is no-one offered us a fee for him no prem clubs we're interested & he's since stayed in the champ or played in a lesser league. did we ever find out the truth behind his abscence that time - did he really trip over his dog? Don't think there was ever any confirmation. To be fair, even our better players at the time weren't getting interest from bigger clubs. Ric, Rory etc were never going to get a bigger move but were hugely important to us and we missed them when they didn't play (or in Rory's case played out of position). Had Liam played more that second season I reckon we'd have scored more goals, though points-wise obviously things worked out fine anyway.
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2013 8:52:41 GMT
I though Liam tailed off even in the 1st season apart from his top (& vital) goal at Hull tbh
certainly wouldnt have been upset if he had stayed & played mind.
There has been plenty made of TP's bad signings however one part of management is knowing when it's time to move a player on & of the players who did leave I can't think of a single player (not even Ric) who anyone could point & say that was a mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 9:22:18 GMT
I wouldn't disagree with that - although we did seem to have a training system that meant that nobody improved. TP's big problem was that he struggled to replace key players once they were past it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 9:39:37 GMT
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 5, 2013 9:47:57 GMT
I though Liam tailed off even in the 1st season apart from his top (& vital) goal at Hull tbh certainly wouldnt have been upset if he had stayed & played mind. There has been plenty made of TP's bad signings however one part of management is knowing when it's time to move a player on & of the players who did leave I can't think of a single player (not even Ric) who anyone could point & say that was a mistake. For the way we played (dependant on set pieces) I always feel that our failure to keep hold of Ben Marshall was total stupidity, not that this was TP's doing but all the same stupidity. Waiting for the "he was offered deal but wanted to leave" posts but that excuse boils down to the way we treated the lad and there were ways around the stand off.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2013 9:59:05 GMT
Is anyone else tempted to sell him? I know it's not our decision but You know....if it was and all that!
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Post by slozenger on Jul 5, 2013 11:59:42 GMT
Is anyone else tempted to sell him? I know it's not our decision but You know....if it was and all that! I would definitely, but i know that i'll be in the minority wanting to do so. I'm so mean to Marc Wilson at times.
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Post by adi on Jul 5, 2013 12:23:21 GMT
I though Liam tailed off even in the 1st season apart from his top (& vital) goal at Hull tbh certainly wouldnt have been upset if he had stayed & played mind. There has been plenty made of TP's bad signings however one part of management is knowing when it's time to move a player on & of the players who did leave I can't think of a single player (not even Ric) who anyone could point & say that was a mistake. But equally there have been season where players shouldve been moved on sooner where they have been kept on and even extended contracts. I.e. Soares, Tonge, Lund, Sidibie, Moult, Palacios, Collins... Cost us a packet in wages that shouldve been invested in younger and more promising players, or as actual quality, playable squad members
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2013 12:34:38 GMT
Is anyone else tempted to sell him? I know it's not our decision but You know....if it was and all that! I would definitely, but i know that i'll be in the minority wanting to do so. I'm so mean to Marc Wilson at times. I'm unsure tbh! If he's as good in central midfield as he thinks he is then we shouldn't but if he isn't then I would. It's worth giving him a chance first though.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 5, 2013 13:29:11 GMT
3.5m + Lawrence who was worth 1.5m of anyone's money at the time, maybe more + Kitson who even though he was shit, had to be worth at least 1m given that we had paid 5m for him barely 12 months earlier. Throw in 20k per week for 46 games (which by my maths is just under a million quid) + whatever wages Dicko would have been on and you have a deal that adds up to 7m, matching the offer, albeit with players thrown in, that West Ham had accepted. I thought that the £3.5 m was so that they'd take Kitson off us?
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Post by jollypotter88 on Jul 5, 2013 15:17:16 GMT
Be interesting see the line ups in the friendly pre-season and I think that could shape what will be coming. Not convinced Wilson is going to get much chance in CM sadly.
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Post by wembley4372 on Jul 5, 2013 15:45:17 GMT
He'll go back to being first choice right back
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 5, 2013 15:53:18 GMT
He'll go back to being first choice right back I'd accept that but you'd have thought Wilko would be on his way if so. He's been a good servant but is unreliable from a fitness and injury point of view.
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Post by wembley4372 on Jul 5, 2013 16:16:52 GMT
He'll go back to being first choice right back I'd accept that but you'd have thought Wilko would be on his way if so. He's been a good servant but is unreliable from a fitness and injury point of view. Wilko has a decent record of regaining his place whoever else has been tried with the exception of Wilson. He's always a desperate lunge away from a red card a bit too often for me, as much as I like his 'spirit'. Worth keeping as back-up, but we don't need Cameron, Shotton and Wilko as back-up. It'll be interesting to see what Hughes expects from his fullbacks.
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Post by droz on Jul 5, 2013 19:18:37 GMT
He'll go back to being first choice right back Didn't I read somewhere that Sparky likes to play players in their proper positions. For the record I think Wilson did okay when at right back.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 5, 2013 20:53:03 GMT
no we had Kitson & Liam on the open market & got not one offer for either of them. so they we're worth less than nothing. As such they we're dead wood we got Pompey to take 4 of our players (& pay them) whilst we took 1 player as big a hero as Liam is he wasnt quite good enough (& Dicko nowhere near) for the the prem whilst Kitson & Sonko we're disasters Kitson could be argues to be disruptive too so getting him out of the club was important meanwhile we sign a player who has played 4 positions for us & looks a player good business Cardiff offered us 2m for Lawrence!
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2013 21:36:18 GMT
I wouldn't disagree with that - although we did seem to have a training system that meant that nobody improved. TP's big problem was that he struggled to replace key players once they were past it. yes good at judging when to let a player go poor at replacing them (keepers aside)
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2013 21:39:25 GMT
I though Liam tailed off even in the 1st season apart from his top (& vital) goal at Hull tbh certainly wouldnt have been upset if he had stayed & played mind. There has been plenty made of TP's bad signings however one part of management is knowing when it's time to move a player on & of the players who did leave I can't think of a single player (not even Ric) who anyone could point & say that was a mistake. But equally there have been season where players shouldve been moved on sooner where they have been kept on and even extended contracts. I.e. Soares, Tonge, Lund, Sidibie, Moult, Palacios, Collins... Cost us a packet in wages that shouldve been invested in younger and more promising players, or as actual quality, playable squad members true although 'only' Palacios was (sorry,is) on big wage £26k per week Moult wouldn't have been on much more a year Tonge was the strangest case
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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2013 21:40:20 GMT
no we had Kitson & Liam on the open market & got not one offer for either of them. so they we're worth less than nothing. As such they we're dead wood we got Pompey to take 4 of our players (& pay them) whilst we took 1 player as big a hero as Liam is he wasnt quite good enough (& Dicko nowhere near) for the the prem whilst Kitson & Sonko we're disasters Kitson could be argues to be disruptive too so getting him out of the club was important meanwhile we sign a player who has played 4 positions for us & looks a player good business Cardiff offered us 2m for Lawrence! of course they didnt he'd have been sold to them if they had don't make things up
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Post by wembley4372 on Jul 5, 2013 22:29:06 GMT
He'll go back to being first choice right back Didn't I read somewhere that Sparky likes to play players in their proper positions. For the record I think Wilson did okay when at right back. He was more than ok. But also there weren't many that were better at left back. Ok he's not Ashley cole but he is better than most
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Post by buiskatthebrit on Jul 6, 2013 23:14:33 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 7, 2013 8:14:51 GMT
Cardiff offered us 2m for Lawrence! of course they didnt he'd have been sold to them if they had don't make things up That isn't made up in the slightest. Rather than accept the cash bid we used him as bait in the Wilson transfer because West Ham had a 7m bid accepted but Pompey, due to their financial situation, preferred the player + cash option. It is you making things up in saying that no-one was interested in Lawrence hence he was worthless. That is pure fantasy.
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Post by thefonze on Jul 7, 2013 11:53:32 GMT
Wilson has the potential to develop into a class Centre Mid. He's far better both in attack and defence than Whelo.
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