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Post by baystokie on Jul 10, 2013 19:07:18 GMT
12.5 mil sorry but he's not worth it. You may be right but WHY do you reckon he's not worth £12,5m -is that based solely on his currently playing in SPL or is it based on what you have ACTUALLY seen? There's plenty of posts saying 'it's crazy money' or 'the clubs must be mental' etc but very few ever explain the reasons for their verdicts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 20:31:30 GMT
12.5 mil sorry but he's not worth it. You may be right but WHY do you reckon he's not worth £12,5m -is that based solely on his currently playing in SPL or is it based on what you have ACTUALLY seen? There's plenty of posts saying 'it's crazy money' or 'the clubs must be mental' etc but very few ever explain the reasons for their verdicts. It's my opinion of the few games i've seen will that suffice ?
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Post by stokeyouth on Jul 10, 2013 20:38:38 GMT
After Leandro Damiao and Ever Banega aswell. Can't say I have even heard of these? Wow seriously?
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Post by stokeyouth on Jul 10, 2013 20:41:57 GMT
You may be right but WHY do you reckon he's not worth £12,5m -is that based solely on his currently playing in SPL or is it based on what you have ACTUALLY seen? There's plenty of posts saying 'it's crazy money' or 'the clubs must be mental' etc but very few ever explain the reasons for their verdicts. It's my opinion of the few games i've seen will that suffice ? When Whitehead(27yrs old) is worth 5m Palacios(26yrs old and dodgy knee) is worth 8m Then Wanyama(21 years old) is worth 10m+ add ons.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 20:47:14 GMT
It's my opinion of the few games i've seen will that suffice ? When Whitehead(27yrs old) is worth 5m Palacios(26yrs old and dodgy knee) is worth 8m Then Wanyama(21 years old) is worth 10m+ add ons. pmsl weird logic but Ok if you say so.
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Post by stokeyouth on Jul 10, 2013 21:06:32 GMT
When Whitehead(27yrs old) is worth 5m Palacios(26yrs old and dodgy knee) is worth 8m Then Wanyama(21 years old) is worth 10m+ add ons. pmsl weird logic but Ok if you say so. It's actually quite a simple logic mate if you understand simple business. Younger players like Wanyama will be more expensive because they will be available, healthier, and play for much longer than an older player. They also have the opportunity for profit, while older players will just lose value. Etherington, Palacios, Crouch, KJ etc Wanyama could sign for a top5 club in the next few seasons for 20m+, whereas a Dean Whitehead would never have done that. You can't sign 5m plodders every season, you have to bring the youth in. To do this you either need a succesful academy, which was never possible under TP, or spend big on some kiddies. We've brought in Shea, Butland and Muniesa which is brilliant. All 3 are not ready for first team yet, Wanyama is, hence the more money. Id rather a Wanyama for 10m than palacios for 8m every day
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Post by thesandbankskid on Jul 10, 2013 21:12:10 GMT
Can't say I have even heard of these? Wow seriously? I dont get time to watch too much foreign football, neither do I play fifa. The only match I sat down to watch of this confederations cup was the final.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 21:22:09 GMT
pmsl weird logic but Ok if you say so. It's actually quite a simple logic mate if you understand simple business. Younger players like Wanyama will be more expensive because they will be available, healthier, and play for much longer than an older player. They also have the opportunity for profit, while older players will just lose value. Etherington, Palacios, Crouch, KJ etc Wanyama could sign for a top5 club in the next few seasons for 20m+, whereas a Dean Whitehead would never have done that. You can't sign 5m plodders every season, you have to bring the youth in. To do this you either need a succesful academy, which was never possible under TP, or spend big on some kiddies. We've brought in Shea, Butland and Muniesa which is brilliant. All 3 are not ready for first team yet, Wanyama is, hence the more money. Id rather a Wanyama for 10m than palacios for 8m every day First point if just nonesence. Crouch was 10mil @ 30 yrs so your second is nonsence. 5 Mil plodders who mentioned that ? Top 5 team matter of opinion time will tell but @ 21 he's not a kid and should be good enough now. So you advocate youth but want to spend 12Million on one ! Who says they are not ready, you ? Again matter of opinion. Dont use a poor example ( WP ) to try and make a vaule point it does not work in fact it helps my point that he's not worth it.
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Post by stokeyouth on Jul 10, 2013 21:25:04 GMT
I love how you used Crouch as an example.
99% of people on this board new it was the worst deal this club has ever done. We had a partnership in KJ/Walters that scored, worked well and got us in Europe with a cup final.
He ruined it by bringing in a 30yr old big name on massive wages and a stupid 4 year contract.
Also I think we'd all agree Butland isnt ready to be first team yet, neither is Muni when just moved from BBVA
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 21:34:37 GMT
Again you're getting confused, who said Crouch was worth 10 mil ? not me, you used WP as an example I used Crouch. Check my posts I like KJ. Butland is not ready true but we have the best keeper in the league already. So it's an irrelevant point. Only one person will decide who's good enough and it's not me or you.
So I stand by my first post from what I have seen of him he's not worth 12.5 Mil.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Jul 10, 2013 21:44:38 GMT
pmsl weird logic but Ok if you say so. It's actually quite a simple logic mate if you understand simple business. Younger players like Wanyama will be more expensive because they will be available, healthier, and play for much longer than an older player. They also have the opportunity for profit, while older players will just lose value. Etherington, Palacios, Crouch, KJ etc Wanyama could sign for a top5 club in the next few seasons for 20m+, whereas a Dean Whitehead would never have done that. You can't sign 5m plodders every season, you have to bring the youth in. To do this you either need a succesful academy, which was never possible under TP, or spend big on some kiddies. We've brought in Shea, Butland and Muniesa which is brilliant. All 3 are not ready for first team yet, Wanyama is, hence the more money. Id rather a Wanyama for 10m than palacios for 8m every day how do you know wanyama is ready and shea/ muniesa aren't. I see butland not being ready yet but not shea and muniesa.
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Post by jonnybravo on Jul 10, 2013 22:20:00 GMT
Prices for players in this country is ridiculous
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Post by heisenberg on Jul 10, 2013 22:27:19 GMT
I know a couple of Celtic ST holders travel up every week both speak extremely highly of this kid, both also said sometime last year he was destined for big things!
Also like the way football is going or not and weather people agree with me but £12 mil for a 21 year old good looking prosepct is nothing these days really.....
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 10, 2013 22:41:02 GMT
It's my opinion of the few games i've seen will that suffice ? When Whitehead(27yrs old) is worth 5m Palacios(26yrs old and dodgy knee) is worth 8m Then Wanyama(21 years old) is worth 10m+ add ons. We paid over the odds for Whitehead, same as Southampton are seemingly going to pay for Wanyama.
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