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Post by Jimm on Jun 20, 2013 0:40:43 GMT
FS, he isn't out of contract
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Post by Jimm on Jun 20, 2013 0:42:05 GMT
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Post by george2again on Jun 20, 2013 2:13:38 GMT
Talk that he was , wishful thinking I suppose,The thought of him being our first choice right back scares me silly.
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Post by RichardTMP on Jun 20, 2013 9:07:50 GMT
Don't see why Shotton gets so much stick, at full back he has barely put a foot wrong.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 20, 2013 9:09:52 GMT
Don't see why Shotton gets so much stick, at full back he has barely put a foot wrong. Agreed he was excellent at RB however atrocious at RW. I'd be more worried if Deano got a new contract. |
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Post by smokeontrent on Jun 20, 2013 9:12:52 GMT
Anyone with half a footballing brain will agree that Ryan Shotton is toss.
He'd struggle in the lower end of The Championship.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 20, 2013 9:13:27 GMT
I'd hope that, in time, we get a right back better than Shotton. But he's certainly not bad at right back. I can't understand the abuse he gets from some on here. Replacing him certainly isn't a priority this summer and, if/when we do get another right back, Shotton will remain a decent squad player to cover right back or centre back - which was his position for most of his academy years.
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Post by fca47 on Jun 20, 2013 9:35:54 GMT
It's typical of some Stoke fans, that they pick up on certain players and their awfulness reaches mythical proportions. In truth we are a lower to midtable PL side, and that is the level of our players. We have few really outstanding players, but we also have none that are really that bad.Shotton is joined in this category by Whelan, Walters, Wilko etc. Yes we can do better but those type of players are generally out of our reach. We can afford the odd outstanding player but we have to accept that most of our players are going to be midtable plodders.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 20, 2013 9:58:58 GMT
Anyone with half a footballing brain will agree that Ryan Shotton is toss. He'd struggle in the lower end of The Championship. Or maybe everyone with a brain wouldn't put it like that?  |
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Post by slozenger on Jun 20, 2013 10:02:05 GMT
When he was played at Right Back at the tail end of the season i think he played well for us but there is no way in the world that he's a Right Midfielder. I'm not his biggest fan but was pleasantly surprised at how comfortable he looked in what could be argued is his "proper position".
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 20, 2013 10:07:46 GMT
When he was played at Right Back at the tail end of the season i think he played well for us but there is no way in the world that he's a Right Midfielder. I'm not his biggest fan but was pleasantly surprised at how comfortable he looked in what could be argued is his "proper position". Shotton is a good right back in my opinion! Haven't seen him play as a central defender, but he might do a good job there as well (just back up at Stoke anyway though). If we only are supposed to bring in a couple of players (Hughes said 1 or 2) I think priority must be a winger and a left back, but I really think we need to replace at least one of our strikers with someone better too! |
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Post by MuddyWoody on Jun 20, 2013 10:17:54 GMT
When he was played at Right Back at the tail end of the season i think he played well for us but there is no way in the world that he's a Right Midfielder. I'm not his biggest fan but was pleasantly surprised at how comfortable he looked in what could be argued is his "proper position". My thoughts exactly. He looked good at RB at the tail end of last season, shocking at RW though. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 20, 2013 10:25:12 GMT
Anyone with half a footballing brain will agree that Ryan Shotton is toss. He'd struggle in the lower end of The Championship. What horseshit. Remind me of the games last season where Shotts was ripped to bits playing at right back? I mean, if "He'd struggle in the lower end of The Championship" WTF didn't he struggle in the Prem at right back last season? Also why if "Anyone with half a footballing brain will agree that Ryan Shotton is toss" - why didn't the manager of every team we played target him? There seem to be some on here who just seem to hate the local lads. Really sad. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 20, 2013 10:27:20 GMT
When he was played at Right Back at the tail end of the season i think he played well for us but there is no way in the world that he's a Right Midfielder. I'm not his biggest fan but was pleasantly surprised at how comfortable he looked in what could be argued is his "proper position". My thoughts exactly. He looked good at RB at the tail end of last season, shocking at RW though. Whose fault was Shotts at right wing though? And continuing to play him there? How would Huthy or Shawcross faired out on the right wing? |
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Jun 20, 2013 10:28:46 GMT
He was made into a scapegoat last season... he's not a right winger, so of course he played poorly there... so would Shawcross! FFS Pulis even played him up front!! At right back he was solid, he's a good squad player. Not a regular, but can be called upon if necessary.
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Post by Stephen Frys' Ring on Jun 20, 2013 10:33:56 GMT
No No No Nooooooo, Shotton is an awful right back, he is however, a decent defender !! ie. When he has opposition players running at him,he defends them well,however, the full back position is one of the most technically difficult and Shotton is thick as f*ck and has no long term concentration. Which ruins any defence of his fullback ability. When he goes steamrolling up the wing,a necessity of the modern day full/wingback, you actually see his brain clicking into gear when he loses the ball and said ball heads towards his area of responsibility......... You can actually see him realising that no one is there,he's left his centre back open and goes thundering back and sometimes putting in a cracking tackle which appeases most Stoke fans "cuz he's crunched someone" but in fact he should have been there sooner. I know centre backs cover full backs on their rampaging runs up field,but Shotton completely switches off for a matter of seconds,which at this level is unacceptable,then sometimes it's too late,you have left your defence too weak and it's hard to get back on top of the situation and you're treading water for a period of time............before Our Ryan Hoooooofs it out  I can accept Shotton as Squad player/cover, but 1st choice..........No No No No ! Just my opinion ( but when it comes to football matters,i'm always right)   |
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Post by MuddyWoody on Jun 20, 2013 10:38:04 GMT
My thoughts exactly. He looked good at RB at the tail end of last season, shocking at RW though. Whose fault was Shotts at right wing though? And continuing to play him there? How would Huthy or Shawcross faired out on the right wing? Totally agree, not a criticism of Shotts. It probably says a lot about the lad that he played well at RB, after some of the grief he got for his RW performances. Another player might have lost confidence and crumbled. |
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Post by marshescontactlens on Jun 20, 2013 10:53:32 GMT
Personally, i'm hoping the new regime can coach the players and develop them into better players. Something that TP never managed.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 20, 2013 11:05:31 GMT
Shotton is a decent R/B,but no way is he Premiership class.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 11:06:09 GMT
would we not have to keep Shotton and Wilko in the team anyway as part of our required 'club grown' quota?
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 20, 2013 11:08:31 GMT
Shotton is a decent R/B,but no way is he Premiership class. So how come he did so well last season playing at right back in the Premiership then? Please explain. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 11:17:18 GMT
My only concern about Pulis leaving is the state of our defence.
I'm looking forward to seeing how much better some of our players will look now the cage has been removed, but the fact the cage won't be there any longer gives me worries about just how good our defence will be without 4 extra defenders in front of them.
This might be where previously protected players get exposed. Shotton would be a concern, but I'm a bit worried about all of 'em to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 11:33:02 GMT
Last couple of games he grew into a man....he was excellent
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 20, 2013 11:33:52 GMT
would we not have to keep Shotton and Wilko in the team anyway as part of our required 'club grown' quota? There is no "club grown" quota in the Premier League. There is a requirement that a minimum number (5, I think) of players in the squad have spent 3 years at an English or Welsh club (any club not just the club they currently play for) before their 21st birthday. So players like Huth and Bego are home grown under that rule. |
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Post by stone6 on Jun 20, 2013 11:43:22 GMT
Shotton is a decent R/B,but no way is he Premiership class. So how come he did so well last season playing at right back in the Premiership then? Please explain. I have to totally agree with ukcstokie. Shotton when played at RM was poor, but that wasn't his fault as he was being asked to do a job he wasn't comfortable with. Played at Right back for me he has been excellent. Looks very comfortable at Premiership standard, no winger tore him to shreds, was beginning to get forward and hit some decent crosses in, as well as having pace and a decent throw as a bonus. Anyone who thinks he is not Premiership class is basing their opinion on his RM performances. If you look at the mistakes that Cameron (albeit played out of position) and Wilkinson make there, then for me there is no comparison. I think this season he will be nailed down as first choice and will go from strength to strength which i look forward to seeing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 11:52:49 GMT
would we not have to keep Shotton and Wilko in the team anyway as part of our required 'club grown' quota? There is no "club grown" quota in the Premier League. There is a requirement that a minimum number (5, I think) of players in the squad have spent 3 years at an English or Welsh club (any club not just the club they currently play for) before their 21st birthday. So players like Huth and Bego are home grown under that rule. Cheers LP  |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 20, 2013 12:15:37 GMT
Anyone with half a footballing brain will agree that Ryan Shotton is toss. He'd struggle in the lower end of The Championship. He didn't though did he, when he went on loan he got great reviews, so you're talking out of your arse. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 20, 2013 16:05:25 GMT
Shotton is a decent R/B,but no way is he Premiership class. So how come he did so well last season playing at right back in the Premiership then? Please explain. You tell me how many good Premiership clubs would bid for his services? Teams like Hull maybe. |
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Post by chicagostokie on Jun 20, 2013 18:39:20 GMT
I think the majority of Stoke fans thought Shotton looked good at first when he broke into the team. In fact I remember a few people wondering why he fell out of favour.
He only become disliked when TP played him out of position EVERY game and then never dropped him, regardless of his performance. He became an easy target then, out of form, out of position, out of his depth.
I think Shotton can do a job for us at right-back, and him and Wilkinson can compete for the spot until we sign somebody better. We have far worse issues to worry about at the moment.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 20, 2013 18:39:23 GMT
If Shotts were available I sure that there'd be a few Premiership clubs interested.
A youngish right back. Good in the air, fast, decent long throw. If he continues as he has been improving over the last 12-18 months he's going to be a really good right back.
Again, please explain with how good he was last season at RB how anyone can not consider him to be a decent Premiership RB?
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