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Post by pittshillplotter on Jun 5, 2013 23:12:30 GMT
.....he arrived.?
Is it possible that he has already made certain decisions regarding some of our players , BEFORE they come back for training..?
Will he wait until training begins and therefore have an open mind before making decisions.
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Post by Gods on Jun 5, 2013 23:18:42 GMT
Puts one in mind of the old Johnny Nash classic:
There are more questions than answers
Pictures in my mind that will not show
There are more questions than answers
And the more I find out the less I know
Yeah, the more I find out the less I know
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Post by onionman on Jun 6, 2013 0:12:06 GMT
With every hour of every day I'm learning more.
The more I learn the less I know about before.
The less I know the more I want to look around.
Digging deep for the truth about this group of hardworking players Pulis left behind.
I imagine that's what Hughes has been singing in the shower, to the annoyance of his wife.
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Post by samdamule on Jun 6, 2013 1:01:55 GMT
We have weaknesses?!
I assume he has done his background research on them all, he seems fairly sensible to me but then he's offering JP another contract so who knows! seems like a bloke who knows what he's doing in all honesty and I'm more convinced by him then Martinez as a manager
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Post by drfishy on Jun 6, 2013 6:25:23 GMT
We have weaknesses?! I assume he has done his background research on them all, he seems fairly sensible to me but then he's offering JP another contract so who knows! seems like a bloke who knows what he's doing in all honesty and I'm more convinced by him then Martinez as a manager He's considering offering Pennant a contract. Which I guess will mean talking to him and seeing if he thinks they will get on. I'd only offer him pay as you play and him seems the type that needs an incentive (and a tight lead, no nightclubs, women, cars or any distraction!) |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jun 6, 2013 6:30:33 GMT
Yes he'll know all our players pretty well. That was his job before coming here anyway. I dare say he's seen enough Stoke games already to have a good idea. I presume he'll make no huge decisions on players though, until he's spoken and seen them train.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 6, 2013 6:34:56 GMT
I bet the poor sod is watching all our games this season on dvd's to get a good look at them before he meets them.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 6, 2013 6:41:29 GMT
I'm sure any half decent manager who loses his job spends a lot of his time, until he gets another one, watching football with the view to assessing players' strengths and weaknesses in preparation for the the day when he gets another job. Obviously if his new job is in a different country, his knowledge will be more limited, but if it is in the same country (and in this case, the same league) where he managed before, then he should have as good an idea of players strengths and weaknesses across the league as he would if he were a current manager.
Put it this way, if the Coates family felt that Hughes needed to take significant time to get up to speed again, I doubt if they would have offered him the job.
EDIT: As Sportsman says above, the first thing Hughes will have asked for is DVDs of ALL Stoke's games last season in order to assess the abilities (or lack of!) of all the Stoke squad.
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Post by apb1 on Jun 6, 2013 7:17:43 GMT
Yes it's interesting to think what he's doing now. It's like a school head starting on the first day of summer hols - no staff and no unruly herberts cluttering up the place. I would imagine he is also getting the stats people he likes so much to run the rule over the squad too, as well as the boreathon DVD
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Post by smudger46 on Jun 6, 2013 7:26:06 GMT
the whole country except tp could see our weaknesses ie cannot score and no decent full backs and new wingers needed, so I am sure mark hughes know's that.....
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 6, 2013 7:44:09 GMT
the whole country except tp could see our weaknesses ie cannot score and no decent full backs and new wingers needed, so I am sure mark hughes know's that..... You would bloody well hope so. |
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Post by apb1 on Jun 6, 2013 7:46:59 GMT
the whole country except tp could see our weaknesses ie cannot score and no decent full backs and new wingers needed, so I am sure mark hughes know's that..... You would bloody well hope so. I think the whole country is a bit of an exaggeration  . I couldn't tell you West Brom's weaknesses, say. Could you tell me what was wrong with Norwich's squad? I realise Hughes is slightly more knowledgable than even ourselves but I would still imagine he is putting in some preparation time before the players return... |
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Post by apb1 on Jun 6, 2013 7:48:52 GMT
Mark Hughes has been in everyday at Stoke since his appointment, meeting various agents and speaking to contacts.
He has now returned home for a 3 day break.
From bear pit
Lazy twat
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Post by wozzerthepotter on Jun 6, 2013 8:01:15 GMT
I'm sure any half decent manager who loses his job spends a lot of his time, until he gets another one, watching football with the view to assessing players' strengths and weaknesses in preparation for the the day when he gets another job. Obviously if his new job is in a different country, his knowledge will be more limited, but if it is in the same country (and in this case, the same league) where he managed before, then he should have as good an idea of players strengths and weaknesses across the league as he would if he were a current manager. Put it this way, if the Coates family felt that Hughes needed to take significant time to get up to speed again, I doubt if they would have offered him the job. EDIT: As Sportsman says above, the first thing Hughes will have asked for is DVDs of ALL Stoke's games last season in order to assess the abilities (or lack of!) of all the Stoke squad.
To add to that I bet both he and all his team have seen all the DVDs several times and know the whole teams Pro Zone figures off by heart. If he is going to offer Pennant another contract which he should in my opinion it will be on the basis of a lot of research which is backed up by stats and not just because he likes the cut of Pennant's jib! |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 6, 2013 8:48:53 GMT
Mark Hughes has been in everyday at Stoke since his appointment, meeting various agents and speaking to contacts. He has now returned home for a 3 day break. From bear pit Lazy twat As a matter of interest, does anyone know where Hughes lives at the moment? Did he buy a house in or near London when he was at Fulham and QPR, and if he did, did he sell up when he got sacked from QPR? Does he still have a pad in the North West from his days at Blackburn and Citeh? |
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Post by pittshillplotter on Jun 6, 2013 9:23:37 GMT
Mark Hughes has been in everyday at Stoke since his appointment, meeting various agents and speaking to contacts. He has now returned home for a 3 day break. From bear pit Lazy twat As a matter of interest, does anyone know where Hughes lives at the moment? Did he buy a house in or near London when he was at Fulham and QPR, and if he did, did he sell up when he got sacked from QPR? Does he still have a pad in the North West from his days at Blackburn and Citeh? Yes I think he does still own a place in Cheshire. It will not make for pleasant viewing the 'video nasties' from last seasons games and my guess is that both strikers will be out by the start of the new season. Some big big changes like we have never seen before. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 6, 2013 9:34:57 GMT
As a matter of interest, does anyone know where Hughes lives at the moment? Did he buy a house in or near London when he was at Fulham and QPR, and if he did, did he sell up when he got sacked from QPR? Does he still have a pad in the North West from his days at Blackburn and Citeh? Yes I think he does still own a place in Cheshire. It will not make for pleasant viewing the 'video nasties' from last seasons games and my guess is that both strikers will be out by the start of the new season. Some big big changes like we have never seen before. If he still owns a place in Cheshire that is good news. It means one less thing for him to worry about in the coming months. Also, I'm sure TP's long distance commute from the South Coast (even though he stayed in Cheshire during the week) must have had some downside. There must have been times when he was at Sandbanks when he needed to be up north and vice versa. |
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Post by Gods on Jun 6, 2013 9:47:23 GMT
As a matter of interest, does anyone know where Hughes lives at the moment? Did he buy a house in or near London when he was at Fulham and QPR, and if he did, did he sell up when he got sacked from QPR? Does he still have a pad in the North West from his days at Blackburn and Citeh? Yes I think he does still own a place in Cheshire. It will not make for pleasant viewing the 'video nasties' from last seasons games and my guess is that both strikers will be out by the start of the new season. Some big big changes like we have never seen before. Who do you mean by "both strikers"? Which 2 of of Crouch, Jones, Walters and Jerome? I'm not sure you can heap all the blame for our lack of goals on our strikers. Without looking in to the stats I would guess our strikers chip in with a higher proportion of our goals than they do at most/all other clubs. The problem is we create so few chances and our wingers and midfield players don't chip in with any goals at all. Nor do our centre backs since the long throw went West. My guess is we will probably lose 1 or 0 of our current strike force. |
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Post by bolders on Jun 6, 2013 10:02:15 GMT
I'd say we're going to lose Jones due to him being the only saleable asset in our strike force, unless Harry truly wants Crouch.
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Post by smudger46 on Jun 6, 2013 10:56:02 GMT
You would bloody well hope so. I think the whole country is a bit of an exaggeration . I couldn't tell you West Brom's weaknesses, say. Could you tell me what was wrong with Norwich's squad? I realise Hughes is slightly more knowledgable than even ourselves but I would still imagine he is putting in some preparation time before the players return... I know ive told myself a million times don't exaggerate  |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 6, 2013 11:13:14 GMT
Jones has a year left on his contract. Either he signs another (I can't see Hughes wanting him) or we sell him. Given what we're then left with (Crouch, Walters and Jerome) I'd have thought we may need two strikers as who knows what Hughes thinks of this trio.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 11:25:21 GMT
Yes I think he does still own a place in Cheshire. It will not make for pleasant viewing the 'video nasties' from last seasons games and my guess is that both strikers will be out by the start of the new season. Some big big changes like we have never seen before. Who do you mean by "both strikers"? Which 2 of of Crouch, Jones, Walters and Jerome? I'm not sure you can heap all the blame for our lack of goals on our strikers. Without looking in to the stats I would guess our strikers chip in with a higher proportion of our goals than they do at most/all other clubs. The problem is we create so few chances and our wingers and midfield players don't chip in with any goals at all. Nor do our centre backs since the long throw went West. My guess is we will probably lose 1 or 0 of our current strike force. good point Gods.in previous seasons we've had Matty, Ryan, Huth, Lawrence etc. chipping in with goals whereas this season it's pretty much been completely down to the forwards. unless we get some other players in and we start getting goals coming in from other positions as well as up front then we'll still struggle. we'll never have a 20 goal a season man so the rest have got to start contributing as well. i appreciate a large part of why they haven't is down to the style we play meaning there is, 9 times out of 10,absolutely no support for the forwards but we can only hope that's going to change! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2013 11:31:15 GMT
He should come in with an idea of what our problems are and ways to sort them but he should not have pre conceptions of our players though. He will as it's hard not to, most of us have pre conceived on most footballers because that's the nature of the game nowadays as we see far too much of it.
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Post by Gods on Jun 6, 2013 11:38:18 GMT
Who do you mean by "both strikers"? Which 2 of of Crouch, Jones, Walters and Jerome? I'm not sure you can heap all the blame for our lack of goals on our strikers. Without looking in to the stats I would guess our strikers chip in with a higher proportion of our goals than they do at most/all other clubs. The problem is we create so few chances and our wingers and midfield players don't chip in with any goals at all. Nor do our centre backs since the long throw went West. My guess is we will probably lose 1 or 0 of our current strike force. good point Gods.in previous seasons we've had Matty, Ryan, Huth, Lawrence etc. chipping in with goals whereas this season it's pretty much been completely down to the forwards. unless we get some other players in and we start getting goals coming in from other positions as well as up front then we'll still struggle. we'll never have a 20 goal a season man so the rest have got to start contributing as well. i appreciate a large part of why they haven't is down to the style we play meaning there is, 9 times out of 10,absolutely no support for the forwards but we can only hope that's going to change! Yes, it's not like you very often file away from one of our games thinking 'boy, we missed a hatful of chances today' is it  However, you may well think, 'boy, we created the best part of bugger all today, and lucky Walters managed to win a dodgy pen or Crouch managed to hook some half chance home. Oh, and thank god for Ryan Huthy and Bego'  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 11:42:35 GMT
He should come in with an idea of what our problems are and ways to sort them but he should not have pre conceptions of our players though. He will as it's hard not to, most of us have pre conceived on most footballers because that's the nature of the game nowadays as we see far too much of it. given that he openly said the reason he left Fulham was because he saw them as a team with potential to be regular top 8/10 side but Al Fayed was just happy being mid table and not risking it then i'd imagine he would have studied our strengths and weaknesses on the pitch as well as off before ever making any firm decision. he obviously does have ambition and i don't think would take on any side he didn't really know anything about and therefore would have no idea whether the personnel or infrastructure would have potential to push on |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2013 11:47:27 GMT
He should come in with an idea of what our problems are and ways to sort them but he should not have pre conceptions of our players though. He will as it's hard not to, most of us have pre conceived on most footballers because that's the nature of the game nowadays as we see far too much of it. given that he openly said the reason he left Fulham was because he saw them as a team with potential to be regular top 8/10 side but Al Fayed was just happy being mid table and not risking it then i'd imagine he would have studied our strengths and weaknesses on the pitch as well as off before ever making any firm decision. he obviously does have ambition and i don't think would take on any side he didn't really know anything about and therefore would have no idea whether the personnel or infrastructure would have potential to push on He'd be stupid not to. You have to go into that new side with ideas on how to sort the problems out, where the strengths lie and what to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 12:06:17 GMT
given that he openly said the reason he left Fulham was because he saw them as a team with potential to be regular top 8/10 side but Al Fayed was just happy being mid table and not risking it then i'd imagine he would have studied our strengths and weaknesses on the pitch as well as off before ever making any firm decision. he obviously does have ambition and i don't think would take on any side he didn't really know anything about and therefore would have no idea whether the personnel or infrastructure would have potential to push on He'd be stupid not to. You have to go into that new side with ideas on how to sort the problems out, where the strengths lie and what to do. yup, to be honest i'd be amazed if ANY manager took a job on without first having studied the team and determining what they could actually achieve there. he may not have had a managerial position before we got him but it's not as if he was skint on skid row and desperately needed a job. he simply wouldn't have taken it if he didn't think he could improve us |
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Post by snapper23 on Jun 6, 2013 12:07:57 GMT
He'd be stupid not to. You have to go into that new side with ideas on how to sort the problems out, where the strengths lie and what to do. yup, to be honest i'd be amazed if ANY manager took a job on without first having studied the team and determining what they could actually achieve there. he may not have had a managerial position before we got him but it's not as if he was skint on skid row and desperately needed a job. he simply wouldn't have taken it if he didn't think he could improve us That must be right. The alternative is too appalling to contemplate. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 6, 2013 12:47:29 GMT
yup, to be honest i'd be amazed if ANY manager took a job on without first having studied the team and determining what they could actually achieve there. he may not have had a managerial position before we got him but it's not as if he was skint on skid row and desperately needed a job. he simply wouldn't have taken it if he didn't think he could improve us That must be right. The alternative is too appalling to contemplate. Now I can't work out whether you're being ironic again or not! |
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Post by pittshillplotter on Jun 6, 2013 12:53:11 GMT
I meant Crouch and JONES.
I don't think of Walters as a strker , but more a very slow midfield journey man of very limited ability.
A Championship player at the very best.
The service to the front two has been poor I agree , but neither have the basic ability to run with the ball from 40yds out and actually put a shot on target which should be a basic fundamental attribute to any Premiership strikers armoury.
Jerome is the only striker I would keep and the reason is purely for his blistering pace (you've got to be in it to win it ) as they say , and as we all know the other three are carthorses by comparison.
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. I couldn't tell you West Brom's weaknesses, say. Could you tell me what was wrong with Norwich's squad?
