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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 5:56:17 GMT
He has gone fucking get over it, this is pathetic
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 28, 2013 5:58:09 GMT
We all thought we were billy big bolloks and wanted pulis out Er I think you mean some of you, please don´t include me in your sweeping statement. Gouranga.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 6:01:31 GMT
He's gone, move on ffs.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on May 28, 2013 6:56:22 GMT
Not a hope in hell. I'd rather sit in a room full of Islamic Militants than vote to get Pulis back. Nice one. We'll be round your place in 15 minutes, inshallah. Can you put the kettle on, we fancy a mint tea.
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Post by jeycov on May 28, 2013 7:09:57 GMT
I always appreciated Tone, unlike some, but the boat has sailed now. You should never go back. I agree - OK the likes of Hughes may get snapped up by some other club but the transfer window isn't open yet so we don't have to make a move in the next few days! Back in March, I think that the club were probably looking to Martinez and TP was aware that his days were numbered. As posted earlier, I believe that N'Zonzi and to a lesser extent Adam ,are strong enough characters to have unsettled the dressing room and been very critical of TP Because of the professional way PC does business, he waited until the end of the season to finalise his decision. In the meantime Fergie decided to call it a day, setting off a domino effect. Moyes moves across to Man Utd, creating a vacancy at Everton, with Martinez now a possible successor. Stoke do not appear to have much of a back up plan for this and are now having to consider other options (this may be a good thing of course) Other managerial appointments will happen. Can we afford to wait and see who else becomes available / could be approached ?or do we take the plunge and go for the best on offer at the moment - probably Hughes. If he does get the job, then surely he will have to make an extra effort to get the fans on his side, which may in turn be a good thing. We certainly don't want a Chelsea style situation re "opposing our manager", unless he wins a Cup here within a season?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 7:17:19 GMT
Funny thing is only a few months ago - prior to the home defeats against Wet Sham and Villa - I was saying there was no pointing changing manager because the candidates available weren't any better than Pulis and we didn't need to gamble our Prem status. I was told that meant I had an 'agenda' or some bollocks. Now Pulis is finally is gone everyone has suddenly realized that many of the alternatives aren't much better. No shit. Surely people realized this before? People have gone from 'anyone but Pulis' to 'nobody but Rafa'. I'm just glad Sir Peter doesn't listen to the fans. Not any better than Pulis at his best maybe Phil, but Pulis hadn't been at his best for a while and he was taking us into a tailspin. A fresh pair of eyes were needed and his methods were unsustainable.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on May 28, 2013 7:21:03 GMT
If it was down to me Pulis wouldn't have been sacked, but now he's gone the last thing I'd want would be for him to come back.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 7:23:09 GMT
Erasure was taking the piss. He gets people every time!
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Post by Danstoke82 on May 28, 2013 7:28:41 GMT
Why would people want him back?!
You honestly enjoyed our showing since January then?
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Post by redwhite on May 28, 2013 8:48:01 GMT
Fucking hell we haven't even got a new manager yet! Even if we do get an unpopular choice like Hughes, nobody should be trying to change it before we see what happens on the pitch. Some of the people who say they won't back the manager need to have a good look at themselves. By all means have an opinion of him after a few months of match time, but before he's even signed?!
As for bringing back Pulis, I couldn't think of a much worse idea. It would only boost his stubborn "they need me and my style" philosophy. Leading to more shocking performances and a high chance of relegation.
Stop whining, let's wait and see who we get, let's wait and see how they do and then start forming big opinions on them.
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 28, 2013 8:53:40 GMT
this thread can only be revived in the event of us being adrift at Christmas
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Post by generationex on May 28, 2013 8:59:19 GMT
Or relegation at any stage next year. I can imagine many hundreds of threads being revived should that occur.
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Post by Davef on May 28, 2013 9:17:00 GMT
Might as well add The Shit Bin to your favourites then.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on May 28, 2013 9:19:20 GMT
Right, I'm sure we have all learnt our lesson here. We all thought we were billy big bolloks and wanted pulis out, but now we realise that we are fishing in the brook not the Mediterranean. Huges, dematteo, giggson, Lennon etc are all not popular so maybe the fans say 'ok coates, ou were right, I've it back to plod and we will give him our full support' 'maybe we got greedy, maybe we arena going to make the top 6 and we should make do with pulis' Sign in to get him back, this could be our last chance and it will help pulis feel good Erasurebot Are u kidding?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 9:19:56 GMT
Or relegation at any stage next year. I can imagine many hundreds of threads being revived should that occur. Again assuming Tony Pulis was incapable of getting us relegated despite him plunging us into a relegation battle entirely of his own making.
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 28, 2013 9:24:08 GMT
Or relegation at any stage next year. I can imagine many hundreds of threads being revived should that occur. Again assuming Tony Pulis was incapable of getting us relegated despite him plunging us into a relegation battle entirely of his own making. whether you agree or not rob, whether you think all the evidence points the other way, many would think he would be the ideal man for a spot like that
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Post by generationex on May 28, 2013 9:31:20 GMT
Unless we're relegated it doesn't arise. If we stay up with some better football the club made the right decision.
If we go down it was the wrong decision. Limp excuses that Pulis would have done the same are hardly attractive and rather desperate.
That's the beauty of change - it's put up or shut up time for the fractions on this board.
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Post by Old School Stokie on May 28, 2013 9:33:52 GMT
Too late. You reap what you sow. AS TP said (and that goes for all his critics) give the New Manager a chance and get behind him. That's all we can do whoever it is.
Are you all seriously questioning Sir Peter & Family judgement here????
Is this the first step back from the Coates Dynasty. Wil they take their money and run in the light of such unappreciative fans demanding this taht and the other as manager, when we are fishing in the river lyme as oppose to the Rio Grande
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Post by borat on May 28, 2013 9:43:44 GMT
Right, I'm sure we have all learnt our lesson here. We all thought we were billy big bolloks and wanted pulis out, but now we realise that we are fishing in the brook not the Mediterranean. Huges, dematteo, giggson, Lennon etc are all not popular so maybe the fans say 'ok coates, ou were right, I've it back to plod and we will give him our full support' 'maybe we got greedy, maybe we arena going to make the top 6 and we should make do with pulis' Sign in to get him back, this could be our last chance and it will help pulis feel good Erasurebot The shame
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 10:09:25 GMT
Again assuming Tony Pulis was incapable of getting us relegated despite him plunging us into a relegation battle entirely of his own making. whether you agree or not rob, whether you think all the evidence points the other way, many would think he would be the ideal man for a spot like that and what would reviving those threads prove in any way, shape or form? basically what you're saying is "Shit, our new manager looks like he might get us relegated so we'd best revive some threads to say we should never have got rid of the previous manager who also almost got us relegated"...if you have some threads that PROVE that we never would have been in the same position if we'd kept Pulis on then fine but unfortunately they don't exist and the evidence of this season also doesn't suggest it would be the case so all it would be would be a petty "I told you so" exercise despite it not actually being any kind of valid "I told you so" as it wouldn't be telling us anything in reality. Pulis bemoaned his luck constantly when in reality he should have been massively grateful for it...if he hadn't been lucky enough to have to face 2 of the worst teams in the Prem a couple of weeks before the end of the season we'd have gone down! fair enough if people want to slate the manager if we do badly but if anyone thinks that automatically means we should have kept Pulis on as if we did then we'd have been in complete safety in the Prem then they simply haven't watched any of our football under Pulis for the last 12 months. in short, how well our new manager does has the square root of fuck all to do with Pulis leaving; they're 2 entirely separate matters and have no connection with each other at all
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 28, 2013 10:11:49 GMT
whether you agree or not rob, whether you think all the evidence points the other way, many would think he would be the ideal man for a spot like that and what would reviving those threads prove in any way, shape or form? basically what you're saying is "Shit, our new manager looks like he might get us relegated so we'd best revive some threads to say we should never have got rid of the previous manager who also almost got us relegated"...if you have some threads that PROVE that we never would have been in the same position if we'd kept Pulis on then fine but unfortunately they don't exist and the evidence of this season also doesn't suggest it would be the case so all it would be would be a petty "I told you so" exercise despite it not actually being any kind of valid "I told you so" as it wouldn't be telling us anything in reality. Pulis bemoaned his luck constantly when in reality he should have been massively grateful for it...if he hadn't been lucky enough to have to face 2 of the worst teams in the Prem a couple of weeks before the end of the season we'd have gone down! fair enough if people want to slate the manager if we do badly but if anyone thinks that automatically means we should have kept Pulis on as if we did then we'd have been in complete safety in the Prem then they simply haven't watched any of our football under Pulis for the last 12 months. in short, how well our new manager does has the square root of fuck all to do with Pulis leaving; they're 2 entirely separate matters and have no connection with each other at all no it's not - in any way
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 10:13:38 GMT
Again assuming Tony Pulis was incapable of getting us relegated despite him plunging us into a relegation battle entirely of his own making. whether you agree or not rob, whether you think all the evidence points the other way, many would think he would be the ideal man for a spot like that A spot like what, sorry? What are these people you're professing to speak for basing that on?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 10:14:40 GMT
Unless we're relegated it doesn't arise. If we stay up with some better football the club made the right decision. If we go down it was the wrong decision. Limp excuses that Pulis would have done the same are hardly attractive and rather desperate. That's the beauty of change - it's put up or shut up time for the fractions on this board. How are they limp? The new man failing doesn't automatically mean we were wrong to get rid of a manager who'd peaked and was taking us backwards.
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 28, 2013 10:24:06 GMT
whether you agree or not rob, whether you think all the evidence points the other way, many would think he would be the ideal man for a spot like that A spot like what, sorry? What are these people you're professing to speak for basing that on? Ok rob - maybe I am the only football fan in the Uk for whom Pulis would be top of my list of names to try to get my team out of relegation trouble (well I do know quite a few others but I'm not going to start naming them). I base my opinion, like most of my opinions, on years of experience and evidence but sadly have nowhere near enough time, and even less inclination, to produce a dossier and then disappear in ever decreasing circles of disagreement. I will say, simply, that in my opinion Pulis is as good at organising footballers and avoiding enough defeats to stay up as anyone in the country. :)
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 10:24:13 GMT
and what would reviving those threads prove in any way, shape or form? basically what you're saying is "Shit, our new manager looks like he might get us relegated so we'd best revive some threads to say we should never have got rid of the previous manager who also almost got us relegated"...if you have some threads that PROVE that we never would have been in the same position if we'd kept Pulis on then fine but unfortunately they don't exist and the evidence of this season also doesn't suggest it would be the case so all it would be would be a petty "I told you so" exercise despite it not actually being any kind of valid "I told you so" as it wouldn't be telling us anything in reality. Pulis bemoaned his luck constantly when in reality he should have been massively grateful for it...if he hadn't been lucky enough to have to face 2 of the worst teams in the Prem a couple of weeks before the end of the season we'd have gone down! fair enough if people want to slate the manager if we do badly but if anyone thinks that automatically means we should have kept Pulis on as if we did then we'd have been in complete safety in the Prem then they simply haven't watched any of our football under Pulis for the last 12 months. in short, how well our new manager does has the square root of fuck all to do with Pulis leaving; they're 2 entirely separate matters and have no connection with each other at all no it's not - in any way so why would you revive threads that have absolutely nothing to do with how the new manager does? Pulis got us into a relegation battle and fair play for keeping us up but that was solely down to us having the fortune of having to face 2 of the worst Prem teams in existence. how would reviving any Pulis thread be appropriate if the new manager gets us into the mire? all it would do is remind us that Pulis had done the same and was bloody lucky with the crap quality of sides we had left to face (unless it was a masterstroke of tactical nouse by Tone by intentionally getting into that situation knowing who we had left to face) please, remind me how the new manager's success or failures have any connection to this or any other Pulis thread?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 10:27:43 GMT
A spot like what, sorry? What are these people you're professing to speak for basing that on? Ok rob - maybe I am the only football fan in the Uk for whom Pulis would be top of my list of names to try to get my team out of relegation trouble (well I do know quite a few others but I'm not going to start naming them). I base my opinion, like most of my opinions, on years of experience and evidence but sadly have nowhere near enough time, and even less inclination, to produce a dossier and then disappear in ever decreasing circles of disagreement. I will say, simply, that in my opinion Pulis is as good at organising footballers and avoiding enough defeats to stay up as anyone in the country. to be fair i can see what you're saying but Martinez has also proved he can keep teams up...should we just conveniently forget that it was him that got them into that position in the first place though? Pulis' record of keeping teams up are all in the lower leagues and NOT withteams that gave him over £100 million with the intent of doing a bit more than "avoiding enough defeats to stay up" (apart from this year of course; he did it with us when he came back but hadn't had the resources then and was also in a lower league, managing to perform an escape act every year in the Prem is a massively different prospect however)....if that (just staying up) IS an ambition you're happy with then fair play to you (genuinely) but that's where we part ways as i'd like a bit more than just staying up in the last couple of games every year.
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Post by greyman on May 28, 2013 10:33:00 GMT
A spot like what, sorry? What are these people you're professing to speak for basing that on? Ok rob - maybe I am the only football fan in the Uk for whom Pulis would be top of my list of names to try to get my team out of relegation trouble (well I do know quite a few others but I'm not going to start naming them). I base my opinion, like most of my opinions, on years of experience and evidence but sadly have nowhere near enough time, and even less inclination, to produce a dossier and then disappear in ever decreasing circles of disagreement. I will say, simply, that in my opinion Pulis is as good at organising footballers and avoiding enough defeats to stay up as anyone in the country. You should include the past 18 months in this dossier of yours. He doesn't have a good track record of avoiding defeats over that period. As other people have said, we may well have swapped one relegation battle for another but something had to change in a club that was going backwards, expensively and without any thought for the glaring holes in the squad and the failure to develop a long term plan for player development.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 10:33:08 GMT
A spot like what, sorry? What are these people you're professing to speak for basing that on? Ok rob - maybe I am the only football fan in the Uk for whom Pulis would be top of my list of names to try to get my team out of relegation trouble (well I do know quite a few others but I'm not going to start naming them). I base my opinion, like most of my opinions, on years of experience and evidence but sadly have nowhere near enough time, and even less inclination, to produce a dossier and then disappear in ever decreasing circles of disagreement. I will say, simply, that in my opinion Pulis is as good at organising footballers and avoiding enough defeats to stay up as anyone in the country. But with his budget he was taking the team closer to relegation with each passing season. We were gaining fewer points and winning fewer games. There was no sign of that trend abating. The club was clearly (rightly) unhappy with his transfer business as well.
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 28, 2013 10:40:06 GMT
so why would you revive threads that have absolutely nothing to do with how the new manager does? Pulis got us into a relegation battle and fair play for keeping us up but that was solely down to us having the fortune of having to face 2 of the worst Prem teams in existence. how would reviving any Pulis thread be appropriate if the new manager gets us into the mire? all it would do is remind us that Pulis had done the same and was bloody lucky with the crap quality of sides we had left to face (unless it was a masterstroke of tactical nouse by Tone by intentionally getting into that situation knowing who we had left to face) please, remind me how the new manager's success or failures have any connection to this or any other Pulis thread? mick, I was making the point that I thought this thread was silly and the only time I would countenance Pulis returning would be if we were in a deep trouble - I have never revived a thread about 12 years of posting
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 28, 2013 10:41:42 GMT
This should be a time of great excitement and optimism. Complete mis-management behind the scenes, rumours of disputes about where this fucking new direction is and seemingly working with the ex Colwyn Bay keeper of paramount importance has put pay to that.
Pulis coming back is a patently ridiculous idea but right now sacking him seems equally as idiotic.
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