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Post by slother on May 20, 2013 10:36:08 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2013 10:37:32 GMT
Liberal piss flap PHW's!  Lay off Wilko and Shotton though You lefty wankers! |
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on May 20, 2013 10:37:43 GMT
Bullseye!
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Post by stokiesteve on May 20, 2013 10:41:42 GMT
Looks like they do read this site after all.
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Post by fortressbritannia on May 20, 2013 10:46:22 GMT
There's nothing wrong with having Wilko it Shotton at RB (I think Ronaldo is still lurking in Wilko's pocket) they're both capable right backs. The problem is for me is that we don't seem to play like a team no more we've changed slightly less shiny cogs that did their job perfectly which helped keep the other cogs working. What we've done is replaced these cogs with more shiny cogs that don't works and is having a negative effect on all the other cogs. |
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Post by elystokie on May 20, 2013 10:48:53 GMT
Very succinctly and accurately put.
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Post by Gods on May 20, 2013 10:52:23 GMT
We must be a strong contender, but I'm uncomfortable with picking on the 2 local lads we have in the 1st 11, it's one of the things about our club I am most proud of.
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Post by elystokie on May 20, 2013 10:54:39 GMT
We must be a strong contender, but I'm uncomfortable with picking on the 2 local lads we have in the 1st 11, it's one of the things about our club I am most proud of. Yeah, I should've put that as a disclaimer really... |
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Post by slother on May 20, 2013 10:59:42 GMT
We must be a strong contender, but I'm uncomfortable with picking on the 2 local lads we have in the 1st 11, it's one of the things about our club I am most proud of. I love that they're a part of our journey too. But are they really the best we can do in their positions? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 20, 2013 11:01:37 GMT
We must be a strong contender, but I'm uncomfortable with picking on the 2 local lads we have in the 1st 11, it's one of the things about our club I am most proud of. I love that they're a part of our journey too. But are they really the best we can do in their positions? Probably not but I think we could do a hell of a lot worse. |
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Post by robwahlmann on May 20, 2013 11:05:36 GMT
I think Shotton has progressed a lot this season! Won't be too disappointed to see him as our first choice right back next season either!
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 20, 2013 11:09:35 GMT
Whilst the overall point might carry some water picking on those two players and those two areas as indicative of our problems make him/her just another know nothing wanker.
I can also think of two bigger flops, one named 'Arry and one named Roberto. Also when you get a club the size of Arsenal celebrating fourth place like they've actually won the Champions League it makes our constant desire to reach 40 points seem an almost laudable ambition.
There are plenty of managers who've had more questionable season's than Pulis.
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Post by jbstokie on May 20, 2013 11:16:12 GMT
Whilst the overall point might carry some water picking on those two players and those two areas as indicative of our problems make him/her just another know nothing wanker. I can also think of two bigger flops, one named 'Arry and one named Roberto. Also when you get a club the size of Arsenal celebrating fourth place like they've actually won the Champions League it makes our constant desire to reach 40 points seem an almost laudable ambition. There are plenty of managers who've had more questionable season's than Pulis. If he's talking about Wilkinson at full back and Shotton on the wing then he certainly has a point, both are fine at right back though. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 11:17:45 GMT
You could make a case for pretty much anyone in the bottom half having had their credibility damaged to some degree Sheiky, I agree.
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Post by slother on May 20, 2013 11:29:19 GMT
Whilst the overall point might carry some water picking on those two players and those two areas as indicative of our problems make him/her just another know nothing wanker. I can also think of two bigger flops, one named 'Arry and one named Roberto. Also when you get a club the size of Arsenal celebrating fourth place like they've actually won the Champions League it makes our constant desire to reach 40 points seem an almost laudable ambition. There are plenty of managers who've had more questionable season's than Pulis. QPR and Mancini are also on the list. I think he singled out Wiko and Shotts because they're easy shorthand for Stoke's "uncultured" personnel for the average football fan www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/may/20/premier-league-review-flop-season |
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on May 20, 2013 11:33:04 GMT
As my saints fan friend said yesterday. when Wilko came on he closed down his side so well that their player (I think he said lambart) was essentially useless. say what you want about the bloke but he's solid.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 11:37:24 GMT
Whilst the overall point might carry some water picking on those two players and those two areas as indicative of our problems make him/her just another know nothing wanker. I can also think of two bigger flops, one named 'Arry and one named Roberto. Also when you get a club the size of Arsenal celebrating fourth place like they've actually won the Champions League it makes our constant desire to reach 40 points seem an almost laudable ambition. There are plenty of managers who've had more questionable season's than Pulis. If he's talking about Wilkinson at full back and Shotton on the wing then he certainly has a point, both are fine at right back though. I think their point is that we're routinely playing 2 right backs on the flank with little/no goal threat or creativity, with their only mission being to stop the opposition. Which is fair enough. |
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on May 20, 2013 11:39:55 GMT
Adam Johnson is a fair shout.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 11:40:36 GMT
Whilst the overall point might carry some water picking on those two players and those two areas as indicative of our problems make him/her just another know nothing wanker. I can also think of two bigger flops, one named 'Arry and one named Roberto. Also when you get a club the size of Arsenal celebrating fourth place like they've actually won the Champions League it makes our constant desire to reach 40 points seem an almost laudable ambition. There are plenty of managers who've had more questionable season's than Pulis. That's the problem though Momo, that the extent of our ambition is the lowest bar that we could set |
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Post by chaydlestokie on May 20, 2013 12:24:37 GMT
They're not saying Pulis is the biggest flop this season, they're saying that he is in the running. He's actually 3rd on their list. Of course if you had even read the article you would know this, rather than immediately jump up in TP's defence. The point they're making is that we are the 3rd biggest spenders in the Prem (Net over last 5 years) Kind of flies in the face of all those on this forum going on about how little Stoke shouldn't expect miracles, how small we are, steak and chips, look where we've come from, how we've over-acheived and how the glass is half full. Don't you agree that in reality the facts actually paint a very different picture, that in fact under TP we have gone through our clubs richest and most benevolent period, and with that in mind we have FLOPPED. This my friends is what the article is on about and it's a sobering thought. Tone speaks of evolution not revolution, but actually the finances have been revolutionary. LEARN, DIGEST, ENGAGE BRAIN, SPEAK.
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Post by stokedrich on May 20, 2013 12:42:47 GMT
They're not saying Pulis is the biggest flop this season, they're saying that he is in the running. He's actually 3rd on their list. Of course if you had even read the article you would know this, rather than immediately jump up in TP's defence. The point they're making is that we are the 3rd biggest spenders in the Prem (Net over last 5 years) Kind of flies in the face of all those on this forum going on about how little Stoke shouldn't expect miracles, how small we are, steak and chips, look where we've come from, how we've over-acheived and how the glass is half full. Don't you agree that in reality the facts actually paint a very different picture, that in fact under TP we have gone through our clubs richest and most benevolent period, and with that in mind we have FLOPPED. This my friends is what the article is on about and it's a sobering thought. Tone speaks of evolution not revolution, but actually the finances have been revolutionary. LEARN, DIGEST, ENGAGE BRAIN, SPEAK. I concur |
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Post by OldStokie on May 20, 2013 19:07:43 GMT
They're not saying Pulis is the biggest flop this season, they're saying that he is in the running. He's actually 3rd on their list. Of course if you had even read the article you would know this, rather than immediately jump up in TP's defence. The point they're making is that we are the 3rd biggest spenders in the Prem (Net over last 5 years) Kind of flies in the face of all those on this forum going on about how little Stoke shouldn't expect miracles, how small we are, steak and chips, look where we've come from, how we've over-acheived and how the glass is half full. Don't you agree that in reality the facts actually paint a very different picture, that in fact under TP we have gone through our clubs richest and most benevolent period, and with that in mind we have FLOPPED. This my friends is what the article is on about and it's a sobering thought. Tone speaks of evolution not revolution, but actually the finances have been revolutionary. LEARN, DIGEST, ENGAGE BRAIN, SPEAK. Not bad from somebody from Chaydle. I agree. OS. |
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Post by chaydlestokie on May 20, 2013 20:17:01 GMT
Just sayin lark, thee knowst. PS, why's your camel only got 3 legs? :}
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on May 20, 2013 20:29:46 GMT
Spot on. The first time I've ever praised that paper!
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Post by Will_75 on May 21, 2013 6:43:51 GMT
what's the point in commenting if you haven't actually read the article, or even the extract properly? no-one if slagging off wilkinson or shotton, they're merely pointing out that played together they're not the most dynamic right flank in the league, especially given how much money we've spent...
you can accuse the journalist of stating the bleeing obvious, but that's about it.
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Post by RAF on May 21, 2013 6:50:09 GMT
Just sayin lark, thee knowst. PS, why's your camel only got 3 legs? :} He talked one of them off! OS talks that much that he is able to get rid of a front leg from a camel as well as a hind leg from a donkey. H |
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Post by Will_75 on May 21, 2013 6:51:51 GMT
Whilst the overall point might carry some water picking on those two players and those two areas as indicative of our problems make him/her just another know nothing wanker. I can also think of two bigger flops, one named 'Arry and one named Roberto. Also when you get a club the size of Arsenal celebrating fourth place like they've actually won the Champions League it makes our constant desire to reach 40 points seem an almost laudable ambition. There are plenty of managers who've had more questionable season's than Pulis. much as I dislike Arsenal, given where they were in the league, and the pressure wenger was under, their return to form following the battering by spurs was remarkable. wasn't it 7 away wins on the trot? we've all celebrated last minute equalisers like they're wins. a few years ago when gudjon was picking a specail needs eleven in our most crucial game of the season at Walsall, we'd have dismissed a mid-table premier league team's moans about style of play and limited ambition as first world problems of spoilt babies - it's all about context innit. mind you, no amount of context will let me forgive a grocer's apostrophe from someone who should know better |
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 21, 2013 9:32:23 GMT
Surely the point is that this Wilkinson and Shotton axis that is so apparently symptomatic of our problems only started 8 games as a combination last season. I already said that the author may have an overall point but I think he's used a shit example to illustrate it indicating that he perhaps is another of those 'know nothing' types. I think us still regularly using Whelan and Whitehead regularly is a far better indication of where we have fallen down. The fact that Lord eff is lauding the Guardian tells you all you need to know about the hypocrisy once again at at work here.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 10:05:49 GMT
Biggest Flops are surely Man City.
Came 2nd in what many have said is the worst prem for ages.
Got knocked out of Champs Lge after group stages, and didn't even drop into Europa.
Lost FA Cup Final.....
That is under achieving for a club with such deep pockets and high expectations....
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