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Post by ohbottom on May 21, 2013 11:53:57 GMT
An interesting chart. It shows that Stoke and Fulham have equal wage bills, But Stoke have been included as an "over-achiever" while Fulham haven't, even though they finished ahead of us in the PL. The chart also shows we are equal 12th in terms of wage bill, yet only finished 13th in the table. I don't understand how that puts us in the overachievers bracket. Maybe the chart and article were put together by Dave Kemp / Geoff? But to repeat yet again, it's not just about league position, that's not people's beef. It's the dreadful way it's been done.
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Post by jonselscfc71 on May 21, 2013 12:17:56 GMT
Without Peter Coates generosity TP would be aiming at survival in the Championship every year. We'd be playing "bonus games" against "massive" clubs like Burnley and Huddersfield and we'd be still scoring less than a goal a game with fullback less team. Peter Coates is buliding a legacy at Stoke despite the efforts of Tony Pulis. Any competent manager could have achieved a similiar record to ours given the backing Coates has given Pulis. The above makes me embarressed to be a stoke fan when there are others who say things like that To be fair, I would be more embarrassed about your shocking lack of knowledge about your own clubs history.
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Ha ha ha
May 21, 2013 12:28:21 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on May 21, 2013 12:28:21 GMT
The above makes me embarressed to be a stoke fan when there are others who say things like that To be fair, I would be more embarrassed about your shocking lack of knowledge about your own clubs history. Fair point. I don't know every detail about my club going back 150 years, fair play to those that do. But i do recognise the difference in being a success and failure. Right now our club are almost as good as we have ever been during my lifetime. I dont think a manager of a club is irrelevant to a clubs success. I think when a club is better in EVERY measureable way from when a manager takes over to when he finishes then it is a sign he has been good for the club. Apparently others disagree. I still want pulis gone, i just want recognition of the fantastic job he has done from the fans which he deserves. For those that disagree then i presume you hate coates too for employing and backing such a so called incompetent manager for so long.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 12:35:52 GMT
"We've just created another little bit of history," Pulis proudly declared afterwards. "I've just been told that's the first time we've finished outside the bottom six in the top flight for five seasons on the bounce. It's a new achievement for us as a football club and a fantastic record." For hand it to him, he knows how to spin a purse out of a sow's ear I guess what Pulis is saying is 'I am a safe pair of hands'. But it is a bit shit really. We got promoted - hooray! A couple of years later we make it to the FA Cup Final - hooray! The year after that we have a bit of a European campaign - hooray! That's what you go down to the pub and get drunk on. But five years where we didn't come in the bottom six, that's not going to do it for most of us. Pulis is right, the fans have expectations and sometimes they are unrealistic. But if he thinks not coming 14th or lower is a satisfactory level of expectation for Stoke at this juncture, then he is probably lying to himself and us. I really want Pulis to get it right, because of all the things he has done, but this sort of shit lacks credibility, undermines his credentials for the job and antagonises the rest of us.
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Post by jstoke7 on May 21, 2013 12:37:12 GMT
To be fair, I would be more embarrassed about your shocking lack of knowledge about your own clubs history. Fair point. I don't know every detail about my club going back 150 years, fair play to those that do. But i do recognise the difference in being a success and failure. Right now our club are almost as good as we have ever been during my lifetime. I dont think a manager of a club is irrelevant to a clubs success. I think when a club is better in EVERY measureable way from when a manager takes over to when he finishes then it is a sign he has been good for the club. Apparently others disagree. I still want pulis gone, i just want recognition of the fantastic job he has done from the fans which he deserves. For those that disagree then i presume you hate coates too for employing and backing such a so called incompetent manager for so long. Why should he get my recognition when he has driven me away from my club and made me feel completely apathetic about us? Getting us and keeping us in the Prem is not the be all and end all, for me it's about enjoying the football in front of you, which has been shocking. I can appreciate what he's done in terms of results and for the club itself, but anyone who makes me feel that way about my own club can f**k off as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 12:39:26 GMT
Roberto Martinez is a fantastic manager too...it's the first time in history that Wigan have finished above the bottom 2 in the Prem for 8 years running
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Post by fca47 on May 21, 2013 12:53:22 GMT
Fair point. I don't know every detail about my club going back 150 years, fair play to those that do. But i do recognise the difference in being a success and failure. Right now our club are almost as good as we have ever been during my lifetime. I dont think a manager of a club is irrelevant to a clubs success. I think when a club is better in EVERY measureable way from when a manager takes over to when he finishes then it is a sign he has been good for the club. Apparently others disagree. I still want pulis gone, i just want recognition of the fantastic job he has done from the fans which he deserves. For those that disagree then i presume you hate coates too for employing and backing such a so called incompetent manager for so long. Why should he get my recognition when he has driven me away from my club and made me feel completely apathetic about us? Getting us and keeping us in the Prem is not the be all and end all, for me it's about enjoying the football in front of you, which has been shocking. I can appreciate what he's done in terms of results and for the club itself, but anyone who makes me feel that way about my own club can f**k off as far as I'm concerned. I'm not being funny but no-one else has made you feel this way about the club but yourself. The results and performances are the same to everyone, but there are thousands out there, who whilst not ecstatic about things are happy enough with the situation.
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Post by Gods on May 21, 2013 12:58:04 GMT
Roberto Martinez is a fantastic manager too...it's the first time in history that Wigan have finished above the bottom 2 in the Prem for 8 years running No one likes a smart arse
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 13:01:54 GMT
Roberto Martinez is a fantastic manager too...it's the first time in history that Wigan have finished above the bottom 2 in the Prem for 8 years running I like Tony's arse
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Post by mateybass on May 21, 2013 23:24:13 GMT
Pulis' legacy could be the greatest period our club ever sees - Waddo's certainly wasn't If we're talking legacy... as a long time Stoke fan, when I talked to people who watched football during the 70's and I mentioned I support Stoke, they always referred to the football that Waddo's teams played and the style and flare that they did it with. It always filled me with pride. But nowadays, they burst my bubble when in the next breath they refer to the Pulis style. Legacy is not always a tangible thing but I'd rather have a team that entertains and gives you you're hard earned money's worth than sit for 90 minutes in the freezing cold watching something so dull that I'm distracted by thinking about what I'm going to have for tea!!
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