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Post by FullerMagic on May 15, 2013 21:12:37 GMT
OK, setting aside all the debate about whether he should stay or go, supposing we beat Saints at the weekend and finish eleventh, how would the club be perceived by the wider world if we sack TP/let him go? Would it not come across as another symptom of 'Mancini madness' that seems to afflict the game at the moment and we'd be as roundly deride as Southhampton sacking Adkins? There'd be a kerfuffle for a day or two, but we'd survive. I'm sure once the obvious deficiencies had been pointed out, people will understand. Yeah - if there was a kerfuffle, it'd be a pretty muted one. Articles like this show some of the press actually can see the wood for the trees - and the last time it was discussed on Sunday Supplement, there was no ill-informed flouncing and a serious discussion about the potential merits of a change.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 15, 2013 21:13:04 GMT
OK, setting aside all the debate about whether he should stay or go, supposing we beat Saints at the weekend and finish eleventh, how would the club be perceived by the wider world if we sack TP/let him go? Would it not come across as another symptom of 'Mancini madness' that seems to afflict the game at the moment and we'd be as roundly deride as Southhampton sacking Adkins? Does it really matter? Southampton and Chelsea were criticised at the time - yet how many are criticising them tonight? In any case dismissing TP after 7 years is hardly the same as having almost a manager a year like Chelsea do! And Southampton dismissing their manager was comparable to us if we had dismissed TP in the January after he got us promoted.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 15, 2013 21:15:31 GMT
stokie, I think even if Stoke lose the wider world would be amazed if Tony Pulis lost his job. It would rank as one of the more notorious sackings in the game. I'm certain the Stoke board will not want to be associated and remembered for such an act, in my opinion. Yes the whole football would stop and draw anxious breath. Don't be so silly Geoffery. Surely in the absence of something constructive to argue we aren't resorting to scare tactics?
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Post by digger on May 15, 2013 21:15:46 GMT
its if somebody replaced pulis and god forbid failed, thats when the shit would hit the fan
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Post by discokaraoke on May 15, 2013 21:18:12 GMT
Win or lose, it will still be our lowest points return.
I could accept this if we had to wheel and deal in the transfer market over the 5 years in.
But i think the money that the club have backed Pulis with, its unacceptable.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 21:20:30 GMT
on a plus side the more places tone drops us the more likely he is to be out the door. And there you have it folks. What kind of mentality is this? How fuckin sad that we have people like this calling themselves supporters. What is it that you take Stafford? You seem to have some sort of immunity against the dire turgid shit that we watch.
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Post by adamsson on May 15, 2013 21:21:24 GMT
The fact that he is never ever linked with any other jobs shows what the wider football world thinks of Tony Pulis. The main emotion would be relief that they wouldn't have to watch that terrible football again.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 15, 2013 21:22:23 GMT
its if somebody replaced pulis and god forbid failed, thats when the shit would hit the fan Oh it will hit the fan before the replacement has even sat on the bench for his first game! Seen it all before from the TPFC supporters. The few are already charging around the message board trying to rubbish the claims of any alternative candidate now I can absolutely promise that the very people who have been preaching about how it is essential to get behind the manager as a measure of support for the club will be the very first people manning the barricades against the Pulis successor and unable to hide there glee at any defeat.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 21:23:18 GMT
stokie, I think even if Stoke lose the wider world would be amazed if Tony Pulis lost his job. It would rank as one of the more notorious sackings in the game. I'm certain the Stoke board will not want to be associated and remembered for such an act, in my opinion. absolute rubbish there have been articles written by prominent journalists in national newspapers referring to the reasons for the discontent at the club. there would not be much of a surprise and certainly if it is done amicably there will be not much controversy - and barely a reaction in the national media
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Post by YounginStoke on May 15, 2013 21:23:34 GMT
And there you have it folks. What kind of mentality is this? How fuckin sad that we have people like this calling themselves supporters. What is it that you take Stafford? You seem to have some sort of immunity against the dire turgid shit that we watch. No matter what, you don't wish your own side to lose!
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on May 15, 2013 21:24:24 GMT
stokie, I think even if Stoke lose the wider world would be amazed if Tony Pulis lost his job. It would rank as one of the more notorious sackings in the game. I'm certain the Stoke board will not want to be associated and remembered for such an act, in my opinion. Are you saying you think he's the best man for the job? I can't believe what I'm reading, usually you're so against the capped one
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Post by Northy on May 15, 2013 21:25:47 GMT
Even putting Cuvelier on the bench (as opposed to WP for example) would be good man management for a kiddie. Likewise Shea. Could we even involve Butland, technically? All of the above will be seen as too risky, but for me there's nothing more risky than the usual away mindset. We will start with Ethers no doubt. He's either unfit or has completely lost it. Either way, all he offers now is a well struck corner. Is Whelan fit? Or is it Deano's last hurrah? Owen has to sit on the bench in order not to come on of course. Can cuvelier play as he's played for 2 other clubs?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 21:27:52 GMT
No matter what, you don't wish your own side to lose! As a general rule no. But with safety in the Prem secured - one match wouldn't be so bad? Bloody hell, we've lost enough already, what's one more? If it brings about the change that I would personally like to see - breaking eggs etc?
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Post by geoff321 on May 15, 2013 21:28:48 GMT
Mark,
With the greatest respect you are posting a massive distortion.
The vast majority of the postings on this board are anti Tony Pulis. Those that support him are putting forward the mildest of posts, almost apologising for doing so.
I see no evidence on here that Stoke supporters who back Pulis would turn on his successor, more likely those that want him out would go after the new man if he didn't produce the results quickly.
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Post by 1982stokie on May 15, 2013 21:29:22 GMT
Rember gudjohn he if he hadn't been sacked and although we had a bit of a merry go round we need up were we are who's to say making changes at the right time carnt be good for the club
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 21:29:38 GMT
My housemate is a United fan and reckons we're idiots for wanting Pulis out, he's given us Europe, cup final etc and we're consistently in the PL. He said if we hound him out he hopes it comes back to bite us one day.
There's one outside perspective!
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Post by skip on May 15, 2013 21:29:59 GMT
stokie, I think even if Stoke lose the wider world would be amazed if Tony Pulis lost his job. It would rank as one of the more notorious sackings in the game. I'm certain the Stoke board will not want to be associated and remembered for such an act, in my opinion. *deep breath* ...so do you know or work with Tony Pulis?
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Post by skip on May 15, 2013 21:30:14 GMT
stokie, I think even if Stoke lose the wider world would be amazed if Tony Pulis lost his job. It would rank as one of the more notorious sackings in the game. I'm certain the Stoke board will not want to be associated and remembered for such an act, in my opinion. *deep breath* ...so do you know or work with Tony Pulis?
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Post by SCFC92 on May 15, 2013 22:22:21 GMT
My housemate is a United fan and reckons we're idiots for wanting Pulis out, he's given us Europe, cup final etc and we're consistently in the PL. He said if we hound him out he hopes it comes back to bite us one day. There's one outside perspective! Expected Teletext overview of what Pulis has done. Not even the most ardent of Pulis haters can deny he has had his successes and they are to be looked back upon with great pride and nostalgia from us, INCLUDING a ton of thanks to the capped one... However what the "Manure Fan" is missing out on is the fact that we have had the life strangled out of our football with turgid performances, shocking decisions and some extremely divisive and questionable post match conferences. The stats recently also don't lie if we are to go down the facts and figures route, it shouts of a Manager who has become stale and lost all momentum and idea on where to take the club next, although to be honest I would happily take this season after season if I was actually entertained and had a little passion re injected into the match day for me, this being something I cannot now see Pulis doing (he has to go). It's VERY easy for an outsider to point and go, don't be silly look at what he has done, that's not the point the majority are making, the point is, it's fucking dull, the stats read shite and he has lost it!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 8:52:34 GMT
Lets weigh up this outsiders comments.
He has kept us up every year. The minimum you expect for a club who has spent as much as we have. Even at the sacrifice of what every other club in the world calls football.
He got us to an FA Cup Final. An easy run and the first difficult game we came too (Man City) we folded and bottled it.
He got us to Europe. Not by winning anything, it was luck of who we played and lost to in the cup. We also folded st the first sign of progressing.
Wigan, Swansea and Birmingham have either been in Europe or won a cup and have done it with considerably smaller budgets.
Lets not pretend what he has achieved is great, he's done the bare minimum for nearly 100 million investment and again done it in a way that embarrasses football the world over.
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Post by stokester1989 on May 16, 2013 19:15:50 GMT
on a plus side the more places tone drops us the more likely he is to be out the door. And there you have it folks. What kind of mentality is this? How fuckin sad that we have people like this calling themselves supporters. bore off you tit, we don't all have to share the same views on here. just because you bum off pulis it doesn't mean that other ppl are sad that want him out.
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Post by stokester1989 on May 17, 2013 17:52:34 GMT
What is it that you take Stafford? You seem to have some sort of immunity against the dire turgid shit that we watch. No matter what, you don't wish your own side to lose! Where did anybody wish for the side to loose??
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Post by YounginStoke on May 17, 2013 17:55:09 GMT
No matter what, you don't wish your own side to lose! Where did anybody wish for the side to loose?? 1st page
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 17, 2013 17:56:12 GMT
Where did anybody wish for the side to loose?? 1st page Lies! They wanted us to lose!
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Post by jeycov on May 17, 2013 18:03:03 GMT
Lets weigh up this outsiders comments. He has kept us up every year. The minimum you expect for a club who has spent as much as we have. Even at the sacrifice of what every other club in the world calls football. He got us to an FA Cup Final. An easy run and the first difficult game we came too (Man City) we folded and bottled it. He got us to Europe. Not by winning anything, it was luck of who we played and lost to in the cup. We also folded st the first sign of progressing. Wigan, Swansea and Birmingham have either been in Europe or won a cup and have done it with considerably smaller budgets. Lets not pretend what he has achieved is great, he's done the bare minimum for nearly 100 million investment and again done it in a way that embarrasses football the world over. Wigan and Birmingham were relegated in the season that they won a cup
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