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Post by spitthedog on Apr 26, 2013 23:23:02 GMT
If they are so good, why do we always have to play two defensive midfielders just in front of them?
That is some protection.
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Post by navypotter on Apr 26, 2013 23:56:54 GMT
We don't have too TP just doesn't have a clue. Nzonzi is better going forward then breaking up the play. I would say our best defensive midfielder at the club would be Wilson and never gets a go there. TP is just Mr defencive. Surely playing 5 in midfield would mean having two wingers on the pitch getting forward and back. When has that happened regularly?
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Post by kiwistokie on Apr 27, 2013 0:09:36 GMT
This is what TP would have liked to have happen when he was playing 100 years ago.
Agree navy that is why we put our center 2 backs under so much pressure that they have to hoof it as there are no center halves ( mid Field ) players to pass to most of the time as they are all within holding hands reach.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 27, 2013 0:16:56 GMT
Quick answer then shitbin. They have two defensive midfielder's because that's the formation Tony Pulis plays. Robert Huth played for Chelsea, with only one defensive midfielder in front, albeit he was the best. He even gained a Premiership medal. He also played for other teams without two defensive midfielder's.
Totally pointless thread.
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Post by adi on Apr 27, 2013 4:10:36 GMT
Quick answer then shitbin. They have two defensive midfielder's because that's the formation Tony Pulis plays. Robert Huth played for Chelsea, with only one defensive midfielder in front, albeit he was the best. He even gained a Premiership medal. He also played for other teams without two defensive midfielder's. Totally pointless thread. That doesnt answer the question at all. Totally pointless answer. |
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Post by pieface on Apr 27, 2013 6:11:25 GMT
Tin hat on here, but I think that if we loaned huth and shawcross out to a couple of top four clubs for a season and watched them play alongside world class players we wouldn't like what we saw quite as much. I love them both, but their stature is relative.
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Post by jdpotter on Apr 27, 2013 6:22:14 GMT
Quick answer then shitbin. They have two defensive midfielder's because that's the formation Tony Pulis plays. Robert Huth played for Chelsea, with only one defensive midfielder in front, albeit he was the best. He even gained a Premiership medal. He also played for other teams without two defensive midfielder's. Totally pointless thread. Shame we can't just shitbin your answer. It's not a pointless question, if it was 99% of what on the oatie would be in the shitbin TP would argue that he doesn't play with two "defensive midfielders" he uses in his eyes one out and out defensive mid and then one that plays the ball out to the forward players ie the winger(s) It's just that the ball playing midfielder sits deeper than in the average team and so it appears that he's a defensive mid. If and hopefully when TP goes, This ball player will be uncaged and allowed to play high up the pitch. Just my opinion, probably worthy of the shit bin too! ;-) |
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Post by Junglist on Apr 27, 2013 6:25:32 GMT
In such a defensive setup it's easy to see why those two get such recognition. To be honest i'd like them to have a little more exposure and to play a bit more football. But if we want to push up a bit and grab a few more goals then it stands to reason that their "cover" will have to be reduced. In a more positive attacking formation no-one really knows how they will truly perform. They certainly both have the credentials, but we've not seen them unprotected under Pulis. Makes you wonder if the pairing would remain together under a new man.
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Post by Junglist on Apr 27, 2013 6:28:12 GMT
Quick answer then shitbin. They have two defensive midfielder's because that's the formation Tony Pulis plays. Robert Huth played for Chelsea, with only one defensive midfielder in front, albeit he was the best. He even gained a Premiership medal. He also played for other teams without two defensive midfielder's. Totally pointless thread. Shame we can't just shitbin your answer. It's not a pointless question, if it was 99% of what on the oatie would be in the shitbin TP would argue that he doesn't play with two "defensive midfielders" he uses in his eyes one out and out defensive mid and then one that plays the ball out to the forward players ie the winger(s) It's just that the ball playing midfielder sits deeper than in the average team and so it appears that he's a defensive mid. If and hopefully when TP goes, This ball player will be uncaged and allowed to play high up the pitch. Just my opinion, probably worthy of the shit bin too! ;-) Haha, I loved the way he went out of his way to answer it dismissively and then request that the whole thing be placed in the Shitbin. Brilliant! |
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Post by jeycov on Apr 27, 2013 7:51:53 GMT
In such a defensive setup it's easy to see why those two get such recognition. To be honest i'd like them to have a little more exposure and to play a bit more football. But if we want to push up a bit and grab a few more goals then it stands to reason that their "cover" will have to be reduced. In a more positive attacking formation no-one really knows how they will truly perform. They certainly both have the credentials, but we've not seen them unprotected under Pulis. Makes you wonder if the pairing would remain together under a new man. If / when a change of management happens then there should be greater priorities than replacing Shawcross and Huth imo. |
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Post by lordb on Apr 27, 2013 8:09:54 GMT
Is it only me who doesnt see Nzonzi as an attacking midfield player?
-Obviously TP wants whoever is playing CM to be caged but I think Nzonzi is happy with that-
imho he has the talent but doesnt have the mentality for it
if he had a penno he would pass....
Huth/Ryan with Nzonzi in front should not be messed with whoever the manager is imho.
plenty of scope in other areas to improve the football & be more attacking (couldnt be any less attacking mind....)
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Post by jbstokie on Apr 27, 2013 9:05:19 GMT
Going by this logic then Pulis has never signed a decent centre half because he's always played two defensive midfielders.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 27, 2013 9:09:29 GMT
Tin hat on here, but I think that if we loaned huth and shawcross out to a couple of top four clubs for a season and watched them play alongside world class players we wouldn't like what we saw quite as much. I love them both, but their stature is relative. I agree with that. They are decent, solid defenders. Nothing more. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 27, 2013 9:11:53 GMT
I think we have heard an important concept today. UNCAGED.
This could be our Warcry going forward!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 27, 2013 9:12:41 GMT
They are top, top class centre halves that play in a team that spends the majority of the time defending.
Football is a numbers game and the more you defend the more likely you are to concede.
The more balance you are the more ball you have, the more goals you score and the more games you win.
At Stoke every mistake is highlighted because conceding a goal effectively loses us most games.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 27, 2013 12:38:39 GMT
Quick answer then shitbin. They have two defensive midfielder's because that's the formation Tony Pulis plays. Robert Huth played for Chelsea, with only one defensive midfielder in front, albeit he was the best. He even gained a Premiership medal. He also played for other teams without two defensive midfielder's. Totally pointless thread. Shame we can't just shitbin your answer. It's not a pointless question, if it was 99% of what on the oatie would be in the shitbin TP would argue that he doesn't play with two "defensive midfielders" he uses in his eyes one out and out defensive mid and then one that plays the ball out to the forward players ie the winger(s) It's just that the ball playing midfielder sits deeper than in the average team and so it appears that he's a defensive mid. If and hopefully when TP goes, This ball player will be uncaged and allowed to play high up the pitch. Just my opinion, probably worthy of the shit bin too! ;-) Ok, I'm allowed my opinion aren't I ? I use the term shit bin fairly flippantly. The reason it's a bit of a pointless thread is because the emphasis of why it's wrong is placed on Shawcross and Huth. Tony picks the team, and you are right, one midfielder is expected to get forward however no blame can really be attributed to the two defenders in my opinion. |
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