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Post by chopperscfc on Apr 18, 2013 12:28:21 GMT
Dont care what anyone says, havent seen this guy show one bit of leadership all year. Captaincy is about giving the team a lift and influence.
Charlie Adam looks vocal or someone like that what we had in Jon Eustace
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Post by mrred on Apr 18, 2013 12:32:55 GMT
I tend to agree. He's alight at giving orders and an occasional sexual preference questioning hand clap but that's about as far as it goes.
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Post by nik80 on Apr 18, 2013 12:41:20 GMT
Dont care what anyone says, havent seen this guy show one bit of leadership all year. Captaincy is about giving the team a lift and influence. Charlie Adam looks vocal or someone like that what we had in Jon Eustace I always felt I'd have chosen Huth over Ryan as Captain but if I'm being totally honest, I don't think it makes a shred of difference. As you've just said, Charlie seems a vocal leader on the pitch without the armband, so what difference would giving him one actually make? You can have a number of strong characters on a pitch, motivation and such doesn't always have to come direct from the captain does it? I wouldn't like to see Ryan stripped of his captaincy, just for the sake of it but admittedly when he got the armband I thought it was a strange choice |
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Post by onionman on Apr 18, 2013 12:55:29 GMT
I don't think it really matters who has the armband. The issue is the shortage of leaders throughout the team.
For quite a long time, we were lucky enough that it didn't matter whether our captain was Abdy, Rory, Higgy or Ryan, because we had copious numbers of leaders throughout the team, and no sulkers that needed a kick up the backside.
It's a real shame that Ryan's character is coming under the spotlight, because he's one of the soundest blokes in football.
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 18, 2013 13:00:44 GMT
We don't have a shouter and Ryan's done nothing wrong, he's a brilliant pro - whether he's enough of a captain under pressure we'll find out in the next 5 games, next 2 especially.
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Post by onionman on Apr 18, 2013 13:24:53 GMT
We don't have a shouter and Ryan's done nothing wrong, he's a brilliant pro - whether he's enough of a captain under pressure we'll find out in the next 5 games, next 2 especially. There was a moment in the Man Utd match when Ryan went charging up the pitch as if he wanted to take the bull by the horns. The ball never reached him, but it was a promising show of intent. What we need from him, particularly at QPR, is a bit more driving the rest of the team on from the half-way line, trying to inject some urgency into them by physically showing more urgency himself. One of our all-time favourite moments, that last-minute equaliser at Ninian Park, came after Clarke went on a little surge down the wing, Bjarni chased a lost cause and then Jimmy threw himself into the mixer to scramble the ball home. Three players going the extra yard to score a goal nobody expected. But seconds before that, Handyside - not really the most vocal of captains - had physically gestured to the team to push on, and set an example by hurrying to fetch the ball. A seemingly trivial incident, but I always thought his example of urgency rubbed off on those other players when it had appeared the game and our promotion hopes were petering out to a damp squib. |
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Post by stokeramblers on Apr 18, 2013 13:27:53 GMT
It's not a change to be making now and one that Pulis can't really reverse now or next season if he's still here god forbid.
However it should be under review when a new manager comes in, I think a more vocal/confident character would be good.
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Post by johnvics92 on Apr 18, 2013 13:30:20 GMT
Dont care what anyone says Not exactly the best way to start a discussion on a forum. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 18, 2013 13:40:30 GMT
I have to agree tbh, hes done nothing wrong but I don't think being the main leader is right for him, but saying that who is, Huth maybe? We've lacked leaders badly this season.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 18, 2013 14:22:01 GMT
As strong as huth is I've never really thought if him as a leader. Also Adam can't be captain from the bench.
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Post by baystokie on Apr 18, 2013 14:48:05 GMT
An academic argument as the ONLY captain allowed is the 'capped-one'. What player, appointed as 'on-field manager' will be able to exercise that responsibility when we have the REAL captain doing his touchline dancing act, barking out all sorts of meaningless jargon at bewildered players? On a point of fact - what the hell does 'gooaarn Jon' actually tell Walters to do? Most of his other blandishments are similarly so banal as to confuse rather than inform.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 18, 2013 14:59:27 GMT
The fact is in previous years we've had Delap, Higgy, Shawcross, Abdoulaye, Sorensen, Salif, Ricardo,Whelan,Lawrence, Huth all in the same dressing room at the same time that's a lot of big characters who all together have taken games by the scruff if the neck and pulled us through one way or another.
The fact is we were a team of captains if you look at the team that finished the 08/09 season; Sorensen, Wilko, Abdoulaye, Shawcross, Higgy, Lawrence, Whelan, Delap, Etherington, Beattie, Fuller. You could argue a pretty strong case for anyone of them to be captain take it back to today out of the last team who could you argue for Adam, Walters, Whelan, Huth, Shawcross, Wilko and that's it really.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 15:06:09 GMT
You can't make Adam captain when he hardly ever plays.
Shawcross, Huth, Begovic, N'Zonzi, Whelan, Walters - they are probably our 6 nailed on starters.
I'm happy enough with Shawcross taking the armband. I'm positive he has the respect of the team.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2013 15:21:09 GMT
I like him as captain. He's always on the spot when there's a flash point to calm it down and talk to the ref one on one and he leads by example through performance. He might be a bit quiet but being loud isn't the key to captaincy.
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