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Post by elystokie on Apr 15, 2013 12:13:30 GMT
I agree ely, but we will need players to help us bounce back, if the worst happens. I'll stomach Walters for another year if it works as a means to that end. I know what you mean mate, I've just had enough of him personally and I'm hoping* we'll have a new manager and will be playing in a manner that doesn't necessitate us having a dog chasing a frisbee on the pitch for us for 90 minutes. *I know it's probably futile but still...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2013 12:17:04 GMT
He has been hung out to dry to an extent but he has played on the wing before and in the promotion season there was a mini competition between him and Lawrence as to who was the best right winger in the Championship. Lenny ended up smashing him. So he can play there, he just does it ridiculously badly for us. Today I thought he was worse than Shotton. That took some going. It's a key difference between the PL and FL you can't get away with playing out of position for most of the season, its fine filling in for injuries and what not but the PL is a cruel mistress and it won't yield, your confidence drops and you're in a rut. Plus left wing isn't the right wing small difference but stick Etherington on the right and he's shit to. Worse than Shotton are you sure bayern, I don't think the right wing is out of position for him and that's where he's played most this season I would've said. And yes, Shotton tried, Walters was half arsed imo.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 15, 2013 12:28:41 GMT
It's a key difference between the PL and FL you can't get away with playing out of position for most of the season, its fine filling in for injuries and what not but the PL is a cruel mistress and it won't yield, your confidence drops and you're in a rut. Plus left wing isn't the right wing small difference but stick Etherington on the right and he's shit to. Worse than Shotton are you sure bayern, I don't think the right wing is out of position for him and that's where he's played most this season I would've said. And yes, Shotton tried, Walters was half arsed imo. But what I'm trying to say that the right wing isn't his position thus he's been played out of position for 95% of the season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2013 12:31:00 GMT
I don't think the right wing is out of position for him and that's where he's played most this season I would've said. And yes, Shotton tried, Walters was half arsed imo. But what I'm trying to say that the right wing isn't his position thus he's been played out of position for 95% of the season. And I'm disagreeing! Because that's where he played so well for Ipswich, so it isn't that out of position!
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Post by snapper23 on Apr 15, 2013 12:32:47 GMT
Walters is and always has been the managers own re-incarnation on the field of play A replica of himself, in his own image with his own blatent limitations covered up due to his 'work ethic' Walters symbolises the Pulis era - All that worked well (for a period) and all that went so badly wrong (due to misplaced loyalty, persisting with a broken system and relying purely on attitude over ability) Good post mate. Sent from my GT-I9300 using proboards
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 15, 2013 12:34:01 GMT
But what I'm trying to say that the right wing isn't his position thus he's been played out of position for 95% of the season. And I'm disagreeing! Because that's where he played so well for Ipswich, so it isn't that out of position! Does that mean Cresswell is a left winger because he played there for us This could go on for a while, do just admit defeat
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2013 12:43:53 GMT
And I'm disagreeing! Because that's where he played so well for Ipswich, so it isn't that out of position! Does that mean Cresswell is a left winger because he played there for us This could go on for a while, do just admit defeat Of course not but Walters played there a little bit longer than Cressers did and made his name by playing on the right unlike Cressers, big difference. When he first came it's where I thought Walters would play and it's amazed me at how wank he actually is out there.
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 15, 2013 12:50:38 GMT
I lost count of the amount of time our play broke down when it went to him.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Apr 15, 2013 13:16:52 GMT
Yesterday was a nadir for Walters, his touch was just woeful. at times i got the impression Adams was actually avoiding passing to him and Shotton for that very reason.
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Post by jonnybravo on Apr 15, 2013 14:17:21 GMT
It's like he keeps picking him to try take him out of the firing line because he's ran out of ideas
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 15, 2013 17:15:15 GMT
Upfront all season and he would have got 10-15 goals I'm sure. Frees up space of a winger to make a few more chances. We need to play 442 and the forget following the fashion of 451 I fucking hate 4-5-1! We should never play this way. I knew we would lose when I saw our set up. Shotton, Walters and Whelan should be dropped and play 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or 3-5-2. We need to change personnel and tactics.
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Post by vinecent on Apr 15, 2013 17:16:32 GMT
Why clueless can't see that he is effective with him in the hole and jones up front is beyond recognition.
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Post by redwhite on Apr 15, 2013 17:56:42 GMT
He's a shite footballer and the sooner people see it the better.
This season he has had ONE good game, and yes he was partnered with Jones but this perfect formula people seem to dream up is complete rubbish. He was hopeless against villa when partnering Jones and shit for the other 4/5 games around Christmas when partnered with Jones. In fact it was KJ who really stood out in those games, but that was far more to do with the fact that Crouch was totally unsuited to our "style" of play.
Wherever he plays, he hugely lacks footballing ability. The ball goes to him and play breaks down due to his horrific lack of pace, he's directly cost us hugely through missed open goals (wolves, everton) and simple chances to put away like his chance against Arsenal as well as his penalty stats. I fail to see one good attribute, perhaps consistentcy as he is consistently shite. Even the argument of his work rates are a bit over the top - people seem to act as if he's the only stoke player to put a shift in!
He's had a fair crack at playing in his "proper positon" with Crouch this season and last and has been awful. Even if the wing isn't his natural position (which as bayern points out is debatable) you would expect a premier league player to do a better job than Walters.
Maybe you could forgive a striker playing on the wing for not being the best crosser, but fuck me he does the most basic things wrong and his pace is embarrassing - I'd love to see how far behind me he'd come in a 100m, the bloke was fucking out paced by Mertesaaker in our first home game.
Simply shite and should be nowhere near our team or this league. Have a look at his past clubs and goals record there. He can't tear up league 2 let alone the Prem. Simply not cut out for it. Each game he either does something inexplicably shit, or remains invisible for the entirity of the 90 minutes.
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Post by adamsson on Apr 15, 2013 18:10:10 GMT
Walter's is always out of position every time he goes on the pitch. his best position is in the stands or at home watching tele but for some unknown reason Cluelis keeps picking him
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Post by rawli on Apr 15, 2013 20:39:28 GMT
Hardwork will cover up a multitude of sins in the lower leagues. It won't in one of the best leagues in the world.
Tony and Peter have failed to learn this lesson in their choice of first name on the teamsheet and manager respectively.
Gooarn Jon will be Tony's epitaph.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 20:44:17 GMT
He's a shite footballer and the sooner people see it the better. This season he has had ONE good game, and yes he was partnered with Jones but this perfect formula people seem to dream up is complete rubbish. He was hopeless against villa when partnering Jones and shit for the other 4/5 games around Christmas when partnered with Jones. In fact it was KJ who really stood out in those games, but that was far more to do with the fact that Crouch was totally unsuited to our "style" of play. Wherever he plays, he hugely lacks footballing ability. The ball goes to him and play breaks down due to his horrific lack of pace, he's directly cost us hugely through missed open goals (wolves, everton) and simple chances to put away like his chance against Arsenal as well as his penalty stats. I fail to see one good attribute, perhaps consistentcy as he is consistently shite. Even the argument of his work rates are a bit over the top - people seem to act as if he's the only stoke player to put a shift in! He's had a fair crack at playing in his "proper positon" with Crouch this season and last and has been awful. Even if the wing isn't his natural position (which as bayern points out is debatable) you would expect a premier league player to do a better job than Walters. Maybe you could forgive a striker playing on the wing for not being the best crosser, but fuck me he does the most basic things wrong and his pace is embarrassing - I'd love to see how far behind me he'd come in a 100m, the bloke was fucking out paced by Mertesaaker in our first home game. Simply shite and should be nowhere near our team or this league. Have a look at his past clubs and goals record there. He can't tear up league 2 let alone the Prem. Simply not cut out for it. Each game he either does something inexplicably shit, or remains invisible for the entirity of the 90 minutes. Don't you rate him then?
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Post by redwhite on Apr 15, 2013 21:14:03 GMT
He's a shite footballer and the sooner people see it the better. This season he has had ONE good game, and yes he was partnered with Jones but this perfect formula people seem to dream up is complete rubbish. He was hopeless against villa when partnering Jones and shit for the other 4/5 games around Christmas when partnered with Jones. In fact it was KJ who really stood out in those games, but that was far more to do with the fact that Crouch was totally unsuited to our "style" of play. Wherever he plays, he hugely lacks footballing ability. The ball goes to him and play breaks down due to his horrific lack of pace, he's directly cost us hugely through missed open goals (wolves, everton) and simple chances to put away like his chance against Arsenal as well as his penalty stats. I fail to see one good attribute, perhaps consistentcy as he is consistently shite. Even the argument of his work rates are a bit over the top - people seem to act as if he's the only stoke player to put a shift in! He's had a fair crack at playing in his "proper positon" with Crouch this season and last and has been awful. Even if the wing isn't his natural position (which as bayern points out is debatable) you would expect a premier league player to do a better job than Walters. Maybe you could forgive a striker playing on the wing for not being the best crosser, but fuck me he does the most basic things wrong and his pace is embarrassing - I'd love to see how far behind me he'd come in a 100m, the bloke was fucking out paced by Mertesaaker in our first home game. Simply shite and should be nowhere near our team or this league. Have a look at his past clubs and goals record there. He can't tear up league 2 let alone the Prem. Simply not cut out for it. Each game he either does something inexplicably shit, or remains invisible for the entirity of the 90 minutes. Don't you rate him then? I'm sitting on the fence for the moment
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Post by robin1302 on Apr 15, 2013 22:13:38 GMT
For those who care about pointless facts, today marks 800 days since Walters last started a Premier League game for us.
Sunderland home, 5th February 2011.
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Post by aixpotter on Apr 15, 2013 22:23:09 GMT
For those who care about pointless facts, today marks 800 days since Walters last started a Premier League game for us. Sunderland home, 5th February 2011. Eh? Je ne comprend pas.
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Post by scfc5 on Apr 15, 2013 22:25:54 GMT
For those who care about pointless facts, today marks 800 days since Walters last started a Premier League game for us. Sunderland home, 5th February 2011. Eh? Je ne comprend pas.Aix, any news?
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Post by aixpotter on Apr 15, 2013 22:38:54 GMT
I don't think there will be any "news" until the last game has been played.
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Post by robin1302 on Apr 15, 2013 23:07:16 GMT
For those who care about pointless facts, today marks 800 days since Walters last started a Premier League game for us. Sunderland home, 5th February 2011. Eh? Je ne comprend pas.Meant to say didn't, but this useless proboards mobile site won't let me edit it.
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Post by bristolpotter on Apr 16, 2013 5:05:07 GMT
He's an average championship player like most of our squad, you know it, I know it, why the fuck can't brainless see it?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 16, 2013 10:38:55 GMT
He's an average championship player like most of our squad, you know it, I know it, why the fuck can't brainless see it? You are right. We have way too many poor players and that is Tone's fault. He bought the fuckers!
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Post by cartman123 on Apr 16, 2013 20:55:39 GMT
He's terrible. And what's this about him being a good player when partnered with Jones? I must admit I've never seen it myself. In fact, he was partnered with Jones against Villa and again did NOTHING but run. LOL.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Apr 16, 2013 21:06:37 GMT
He's a shite footballer and the sooner people see it the better. This season he has had ONE good game, and yes he was partnered with Jones but this perfect formula people seem to dream up is complete rubbish. He was hopeless against villa when partnering Jones and shit for the other 4/5 games around Christmas when partnered with Jones. In fact it was KJ who really stood out in those games, but that was far more to do with the fact that Crouch was totally unsuited to our "style" of play. Wherever he plays, he hugely lacks footballing ability. The ball goes to him and play breaks down due to his horrific lack of pace, he's directly cost us hugely through missed open goals (wolves, everton) and simple chances to put away like his chance against Arsenal as well as his penalty stats. I fail to see one good attribute, perhaps consistentcy as he is consistently shite. Even the argument of his work rates are a bit over the top - people seem to act as if he's the only stoke player to put a shift in! He's had a fair crack at playing in his "proper positon" with Crouch this season and last and has been awful. Even if the wing isn't his natural position (which as bayern points out is debatable) you would expect a premier league player to do a better job than Walters. Maybe you could forgive a striker playing on the wing for not being the best crosser, but fuck me he does the most basic things wrong and his pace is embarrassing - I'd love to see how far behind me he'd come in a 100m, the bloke was fucking out paced by Mertesaaker in our first home game. Simply shite and should be nowhere near our team or this league. Have a look at his past clubs and goals record there. He can't tear up league 2 let alone the Prem. Simply not cut out for it. Each game he either does something inexplicably shit, or remains invisible for the entirity of the 90 minutes. Absolutely cock-on Buddy. If you approached all the Premier managers and offered Walters for free, Stoke carry on paying his wages, we'll even pay his taxi to take him over to them not one manager would take him, not one. I'm getting tired of saying it but he's a fucking dog with a balloon
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 16, 2013 21:08:22 GMT
He's terrible. And what's this about him being a good player when partnered with Jones? I must admit I've never seen it myself. In fact, he was partnered with Jones against Villa and again did NOTHING but run. LOL. You didn't go to the FA Cup semi final then? You missed a great game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 21:10:32 GMT
The problem with Walters is his pace. At one stage he threatened to become a decent player , but sadly he's asked to do too many different things.
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Post by cartman123 on Apr 16, 2013 21:12:26 GMT
He's terrible. And what's this about him being a good player when partnered with Jones? I must admit I've never seen it myself. In fact, he was partnered with Jones against Villa and again did NOTHING but run. LOL. You didn't go to the FA Cup semi final then? You missed a great game. LOL what's he done since? And to be honest the whole team played well that day.
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Post by padders01 on Apr 16, 2013 21:14:38 GMT
For those who care about pointless facts, today marks 800 days since Walters last started a Premier League game for us. Sunderland home, 5th February 2011. Anyone know how many games that is? Over two seasons and around 2 months, 80+???
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