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Post by itscoldatwork on Apr 14, 2013 21:45:39 GMT
How on earth does Pulis know how the team will play without Walters?
I am not saying Walters is the problem but how does he know we won't play better without him? He was barely missed a game in 2 years!
It's just shows how stubborn the manager is , no new ideas
PULIS OUT!
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 14, 2013 21:48:18 GMT
Walters has been hung out to dry all season on the wing, its that no coincidence that our best performances have come with Walters upfront.
It's commendable that despite this he still give a 100% N'Zonzi could take a leaf from Walters book.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 14, 2013 21:50:51 GMT
He has been hung out to dry to an extent but he has played on the wing before and in the promotion season there was a mini competition between him and Lawrence as to who was the best right winger in the Championship. Lenny ended up smashing him. So he can play there, he just does it ridiculously badly for us. Today I thought he was worse than Shotton. That took some going.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 21:51:02 GMT
Amazing when Walters played upfront with jones he looked a rejuvenated player. Scoring, creating and being a nuisance. But braindead plays him on the wing where he really is awful.
PULIS OUT
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Post by itscoldatwork on Apr 14, 2013 21:52:04 GMT
Absolutely true.
I believe Pulis has played 4 5 1 this season to go with the trend not because that's what's right and it just doesn't work.
We should be playing 442. Walters up front with jones or crouch. Pressuring from the front
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 14, 2013 21:52:06 GMT
Walters is committed but limited, imo. Pulis only cares about the former though.
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Post by itscoldatwork on Apr 14, 2013 21:52:17 GMT
Absolutely true.
I believe Pulis has played 4 5 1 this season to go with the trend not because that's what's right and it just doesn't work.
We should be playing 442. Walters up front with jones or crouch. Pressuring from the front
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Post by stoke4eva on Apr 14, 2013 21:52:33 GMT
he gives 100 per cent every week. good on the lad. i tell you what if we had 11 players out there the same as him we would not be in this mess.
we are what we are,
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Post by itscoldatwork on Apr 14, 2013 21:52:35 GMT
Absolutely true.
I believe Pulis has played 4 5 1 this season to go with the trend not because that's what's right and it just doesn't work.
We should be playing 442. Walters up front with jones or crouch. Pressuring from the front
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Post by itscoldatwork on Apr 14, 2013 21:57:23 GMT
It's not his position. I commend his attitude and commitment.
Could 1/2 games on the bench really be that bad?
I am sure Pulis does things just to wind the fans up? Owen on the right? Almost as if he he puts Owen on because the fans want it and then just adds the "screw you"
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 14, 2013 22:02:43 GMT
he gives 100 per cent every week. good on the lad. i tell you what if we had 11 players out there the same as him we would not be in this mess. we are what we are, I'm sorry but you cannot survive for long in the Premiership with substandard players whether they give 100% or 199% every week. Walters is not good enough. End of. |
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Post by itscoldatwork on Apr 14, 2013 22:07:20 GMT
Upfront all season and he would have got 10-15 goals I'm sure.
Frees up space of a winger to make a few more chances.
We need to play 442 and the forget following the fashion of 451
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 14, 2013 22:26:17 GMT
No lack of effort from Walters today but describing his performance as absolutely woeful doesn't really do justice to how wank he was. Same for Cameron, who was at fault for yet another goal and Shotton who was dreadful even by his own appalling standards.
They tried their best but the manager is hanging each and every one of them out to dry. 5 out of the 10 outfield players in the starting line up today played outside of their normal positions.
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Post by adi on Apr 14, 2013 22:27:49 GMT
he gives 100 per cent every week. good on the lad. i tell you what if we had 11 players out there the same as him we would not be in this mess. we are what we are, I don't think he's much good in goal :/ |
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 14, 2013 22:39:45 GMT
Walters is OK behind Kenwyne.
He is shit everywhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 22:42:55 GMT
He just looks like a clumsy oaf these-days - a barrel chested dullard running around like a dog chasing a balloon
yes - super Jonny Walters
a pale shadow of a couple of seasons ago (its what happens when you go on the weights too much and forsake your pace and mobility for said barrel chest )
he is that muscle bound now - like Kenwyne - he can hardly run
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 15, 2013 0:06:38 GMT
He has been hung out to dry to an extent but he has played on the wing before and in the promotion season there was a mini competition between him and Lawrence as to who was the best right winger in the Championship. Lenny ended up smashing him. So he can play there, he just does it ridiculously badly for us. Today I thought he was worse than Shotton. That took some going. It's a key difference between the PL and FL you can't get away with playing out of position for most of the season, its fine filling in for injuries and what not but the PL is a cruel mistress and it won't yield, your confidence drops and you're in a rut. Plus left wing isn't the right wing small difference but stick Etherington on the right and he's shit to. Worse than Shotton are you sure bayern, |
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Post by superstokie23 on Apr 15, 2013 0:33:58 GMT
No lack of effort from Walters today but describing his performance as absolutely woeful doesn't really do justice to how wank he was. Same for Cameron, who was at fault for yet another goal and Shotton who was dreadful even by his own appalling standards. They tried their best but the manager is hanging each and every one of them out to dry. 5 out of the 10 outfield players in the starting line up today played outside of their normal positions. Exactly Walters is a far better player in his preferred position. Sadly, we don't know how good Cameron is because he's played one game in his natural position, centre mid, against Arsenal at home, in which he looked promising However, in Shotton's case, he's fucking shit regardless of where he plays. I know he tries hard but I don't feel sorry for a player who picks up £10k per week. He is an absolute embarrassment to Stoke City There's one man to blame for all this and it's Tony Pulis. We simply cannot expect players to perform to the standard we need when they're played out of position, or in Shotton's case, played at all |
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 15, 2013 2:12:50 GMT
Walters has been hung out to dry all season on the wing, its that no coincidence that our best performances have come with Walters upfront. It's commendable that despite this he still give a 100% N'Zonzi could take a leaf from Walters book. It's also no coincidence that we have been fucking shit for the 2 years of consecutive game time. Not that I blame poor old Jon for our predicament. He is simply not prem standard along with another handful of Starters. |
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Post by staffordshireknot on Apr 15, 2013 6:05:43 GMT
It's not his position. I commend his attitude and commitment. Could 1/2 games on the bench really be that bad? I am sure Pulis does things just to wind the fans up? Owen on the right? Almost as if he he puts Owen on because the fans want it and then just adds the "screw you" I finally knew Pulis had lost the plot and he lost all my support and respect when he played Owen in Midfield at Crystal Palace away. |
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Post by elystokie on Apr 15, 2013 7:40:01 GMT
Walters has been hung out to dry all season on the wing, its that no coincidence that our best performances have come with Walters upfront. It's commendable that despite this he still give a 100% N'Zonzi could take a leaf from Walters book. It's also no coincidence that we have been fucking shit for the 2 years of consecutive game time. Not that I blame poor old Jon for our predicament. He is simply not prem standard along with another handful of Starters. We're effectively playing with ten men when he's on the wing, it's the main reason we're in the shit we're in for me. We looked a much better side when he went off. His second touch is always a tackle, he loses possession so often we'd be better off kicking it into touch than passing it to him, his continued selection has been winding me up for fucking ages. Pulis's obsession with him will see us down. |
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Post by stokecitydom on Apr 15, 2013 7:55:20 GMT
He has absolutely no attributes to make a decent winger/wide midfielder.
All he does is get the ball, run a few yards, cut back inside & pass backwards. Also, he is so slow when in possession. He receives the ball but by the time his brain has told his feet what to do, its too late & he has been tackled.
I want a winger to try & take the fullback on, get a cross in, have a shot or just do something remotely attacking.
Kightly has to start over Walters for me until the end of the season. At least he is direct & looks like he may make something happen even if he has been generally poor over the season.
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Post by stokemark on Apr 15, 2013 7:59:58 GMT
Walters is and always has been the managers own re-incarnation on the field of play
A replica of himself, in his own image with his own blatent limitations covered up due to his 'work ethic'
Walters symbolises the Pulis era - All that worked well (for a period) and all that went so badly wrong (due to misplaced loyalty, persisting with a broken system and relying purely on attitude over ability)
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Post by albanianstokie on Apr 15, 2013 9:14:41 GMT
Walters will do well for us in the champ though, if things go that way.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 15, 2013 9:17:55 GMT
Walters will do well for us in the champ though, if things go that way. I'm hoping (against hope) him and his owner are both gone at the end of the season regardless of the outcome, I've seen enough of both to last me a lifetime. |
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Post by mrred on Apr 15, 2013 9:20:21 GMT
I'm not a big critic of GoarnJon but he really was wank yesterday. A chap on Knot FM yesterday said his stats were dire, I'd like to know what they were.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Apr 15, 2013 9:24:41 GMT
Walters is our top scorer
I know that does not say a lot but sadly it's true
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Post by elystokie on Apr 15, 2013 9:28:27 GMT
Walters is our top scorer I know that does not say a lot but sadly it's true It's largely because he takes the fucking penalties, wonder who decides it's him that takes them  |
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Post by albanianstokie on Apr 15, 2013 11:38:00 GMT
I agree ely, but we will need players to help us bounce back, if the worst happens. I'll stomach Walters for another year if it works as a means to that end.
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Post by Godo on Apr 15, 2013 12:03:21 GMT
I am certainly no fan of Walters anywhere on the pitch as I don't believe he is Premiership standard. The 100% commitment nonsense is just bollocks - at this level in the opposition half you need technical ability and mobility and Walters has neither - end of that discussion.
But Pulis is to blame for isolating a totally unsuited player out on the left wing.
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