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Post by agingerstokie on Apr 12, 2013 10:48:54 GMT
After looking at this website I've come to the conclusion that there's a lot of unfair criticism being thrown around at some players. Michael Kightly is not a polished product and he can be inconsistent but the same can be said for almost all of our players, he's no Gareth Bale but when Etherington hasn't even scored a goal this season, I personally can't justify the amount of shit he gets because as relegation looms his 3 goals may just save us on Goal Difference. Jonathan Walters is another, alright he's not got every trick in the book but he's doing something right to be our leading goalscorer with only two coming from penalties. The shit that these two players get which I see more than any other is unjustified in my opinion. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 12, 2013 10:51:02 GMT
Yeah Kightly is a strange one. He looks a terrible player yet regularly finds himself in goalscoring positions. He'd be my first name on the teamsheet this weekend (along with Adam) despite his unquestionable shitness. A sign of the times when a championship player is your main goal threat!
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Post by jstoke7 on Apr 12, 2013 10:51:53 GMT
After looking at this website I've come to the conclusion that there's a lot of unfair criticism being thrown around at some players. Michael Kightly is not a polished product and he can be inconsistent but the same can be said for almost all of our players, he's no Gareth Bale but when Etherington hasn't even scored a goal this season, I personally can't justify the amount of shit he gets because as relegation looms his 3 goals may just save us on Goal Difference. Jonathan Walters is another, alright he's not got every trick in the book but he's doing something right to be our leading goalscorer with only two coming from penalties. The shit that these two players get which I see more than any other is unjustified in my opinion. Walters only gets stick because Pulis never ever drops him. If Pulis managed him like any other player he would receive half the stick he does. Most of the stick is directed towards the manager not the players tbh. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 10:57:55 GMT
I've said all along that Kightly can still come good. He needs a proper run in the team rather than in, out, in, out, all the time.
Also, the team looks far more balanced when we have two proper wingers, so he should be in the team for that reason alone.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 11:00:30 GMT
I can't quite believe how bad Kightly's been, but agree with Nick that you have to start him the way things are, because there is a goal threat there and we need attack minded players on the flanks.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 12, 2013 11:02:09 GMT
Yeah with goals such a precious commodity, Kightly just has to start the remaining games.
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Post by snapper23 on Apr 12, 2013 11:03:32 GMT
I agree about the levels of abuse. yes fans are unhappy, yes the football is unmitigated dross but you know what these players aren't MENSA candidates. They don't understand the difference between abusing TP and PC and having a go at them. They are just as capable of being motivated/demotivated as anyone else. You would think some of the trolls on here had never left a job because they were fed up of being pissed on. They obviously didn't realise that the bully who hounded them out was really upset at his boss rather than just enjoying making their life pure hell. some people should just grow up....
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 12, 2013 11:07:35 GMT
This sums Pulis up perfectly for me, if you sort the order into appearances, you will count only 17 players in our squad who have made more than 10 appearances or more, including as subs.
we have a squad of 25, yet Pulis will never use it effectively, whilst continuing to bemoan tiredness etc.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 12, 2013 11:16:49 GMT
The trouble with Kightly is that he doesn't have pace and can't pass. This is a major flaw for a winger. His one saving grace is that he is willing to shoot unlike our other wingers, and he has scored against Man U.
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Post by hollybush on Apr 12, 2013 11:18:37 GMT
I've never understood abusing players for not being very good. Surely every League 2 player would get constant abuse for that. I will wholeheartedly hand out dogs abuse if I think a player isn't trying hard enough, but having a go because they're not good enough is completely stupid. A player is as good as he is, and that's that; if he's not good enough for the level he's playing at, there's not much he can do about it.
The only person who's responsible for playing players who aren't good enough is the manager. He searches them out, buys them and picks them. If your team is shit, there's only one person to blame, ever, and that's the manager. Get off the players backs, it's not their fault.
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Post by greyman on Apr 12, 2013 11:57:48 GMT
After looking at this website I've come to the conclusion that there's a lot of unfair criticism being thrown around at some players. Michael Kightly is not a polished product and he can be inconsistent but the same can be said for almost all of our players, he's no Gareth Bale but when Etherington hasn't even scored a goal this season, I personally can't justify the amount of shit he gets because as relegation looms his 3 goals may just save us on Goal Difference. Jonathan Walters is another, alright he's not got every trick in the book but he's doing something right to be our leading goalscorer with only two coming from penalties. The shit that these two players get which I see more than any other is unjustified in my opinion. Etherington hasn't made a goal either this season. I know he's had a stuttering season because of injury but we can't keep ignoring facts. |
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Post by YounginStoke on Apr 12, 2013 12:01:10 GMT
After looking at this website I've come to the conclusion that there's a lot of unfair criticism being thrown around at some players. Michael Kightly is not a polished product and he can be inconsistent but the same can be said for almost all of our players, he's no Gareth Bale but when Etherington hasn't even scored a goal this season, I personally can't justify the amount of shit he gets because as relegation looms his 3 goals may just save us on Goal Difference. Jonathan Walters is another, alright he's not got every trick in the book but he's doing something right to be our leading goalscorer with only two coming from penalties. The shit that these two players get which I see more than any other is unjustified in my opinion. Look at pennant he had the ability to put a great ball in the box, etherington HAD the ability to beat a man, lightly doesn't have either but yet still has the ability to score more goals than them which is what we need and so should start |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 12:08:42 GMT
Kightly is odd as he was far better for Wolves from the games I remember, he had a cracking game against us and didn't he nut meg something like 3 Stoke players in a row?
I thought he had a decent signing on our hands when we got him as was always impressed. Hopefully a new manager can come in and get more out of him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 12:12:05 GMT
I agree that picking out individual players is wrong but, having a go at the team as a collective is fair game when they're half arsed
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 12, 2013 12:17:12 GMT
I recall Kightly being talked up as an England squad player before his injury at Wolves which a lot of their fans think took a lot out of him. Can't help feeling we may have got a player who may not get back to what he was.
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Post by wembley4372 on Apr 12, 2013 13:14:37 GMT
When did Kightly last cross a ball?
For that matter when did any fucker?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 12, 2013 13:18:08 GMT
When did Kightly last cross a ball? For that matter when did any fucker? JP  |
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 12, 2013 13:20:24 GMT
He doesn't really have the pace to run past anyone and doesn't have the trickery either. He's your bog standard Pulis type of player. Does what's he's told and works hard. I really don't think he's a Premier League standrd player though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 13:23:03 GMT
ADMIN!!!!!!!!!!!
noticed a lot of these types of thread recently (praising the players and managers decisions and slagging off the Oatie posters) from "New" posters
is there anything you can do to stop Pulis from setting up so many accounts under different usernames?
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Apr 12, 2013 13:23:37 GMT
Lack of crosses is my mine beef with Kightly, his delivery has been absolutely woeful all season, and when you're a team which relies so heavily on good delivery into the box it sticks out like a sore thumb.
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Post by agingerstokie on Apr 12, 2013 17:10:09 GMT
ADMIN!!!!!!!!!!! noticed a lot of these types of thread recently (praising the players and managers decisions and slagging off the Oatie posters) from "New" posters is there anything you can do to stop Pulis from setting up so many accounts under different usernames? Just for the record mate, I aren't slagging off "Oatie posters" as you can obviously see from the posts in this thread, no one has taken what I said offensively except you. Members of the Oatcake don't represent the entire population of Stoke City fans on the internet. So instead of coming across like a complete twat, why not take a step back evaluate what your typing and think a little first. |
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 12, 2013 17:30:58 GMT
After looking at this website I've come to the conclusion that there's a lot of unfair criticism being thrown around at some players. Michael Kightly is not a polished product and he can be inconsistent but the same can be said for almost all of our players, he's no Gareth Bale but when Etherington hasn't even scored a goal this season, I personally can't justify the amount of shit he gets because as relegation looms his 3 goals may just save us on Goal Difference. Jonathan Walters is another, alright he's not got every trick in the book but he's doing something right to be our leading goalscorer with only two coming from penalties. The shit that these two players get which I see more than any other is unjustified in my opinion. Walters gets stick because Pulis keeps selecting him week after week regardless of his form or ability, imo. Let's face it he's started every game, virtually, since we got him and his goal return is not good considering. Him being top scorer says more about Pulis's tactics and the very low amount of chances we create than anything else. That said he tries his hardest in every game and his commitment can only be praised. Kightly is getting stick because of him being the replacement for Pennant, who regardless of his attitude put more quality crosses in and was a classier player when he wasn't having a spat with TP. Again not his fault... more at fault are the tactics, first team selection and transfer decisions.....all squarely within the remit of the manager. |
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Post by seventhrowscreamer on Apr 12, 2013 17:49:12 GMT
ADMIN!!!!!!!!!!! noticed a lot of these types of thread recently (praising the players and managers decisions and slagging off the Oatie posters) from "New" posters is there anything you can do to stop Pulis from setting up so many accounts under different usernames? Just for the record mate, I aren't slagging off "Oatie posters" as you can obviously see from the posts in this thread, no one has taken what I said offensively except you. Members of the Oatcake don't represent the entire population of Stoke City fans on the internet. So instead of coming across like a complete twat, why not take a step back evaluate what your typing and think a little first. well said Mr. Kightly. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 18:14:37 GMT
As a Stoke fan living in wolves all my life, unfortunate I know. Kightly is a better player than he's shown this season and I really want him to find some form and do well for us. However i posted the other week that he's not good enough for the premier league and shouldn't play for us again.
He confuses me does Kites. I know he's better so perhaps given our predicament and the fact he is actually a winger, he should now play every game until the season finishes. One thing for sure if we do go down he is a very good championship winger. Perhaps thats his problem, not quite good enough for the premier league.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 12, 2013 19:36:11 GMT
Kightly is odd as he was far better for Wolves from the games I remember, he had a cracking game against us and didn't he nut meg something like 3 Stoke players in a row? I thought he had a decent signing on our hands when we got him as was always impressed. Hopefully a new manager can come in and get more out of him. Ver true that why I thought he would be a top player for us |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 11:26:53 GMT
Yeah with goals such a precious commodity, Kightly just has to start the remaining games. He's our fifth top goal scorer... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 10:44:41 GMT
ADMIN!!!!!!!!!!! noticed a lot of these types of thread recently (praising the players and managers decisions and slagging off the Oatie posters) from "New" posters is there anything you can do to stop Pulis from setting up so many accounts under different usernames? Just for the record mate, I aren't slagging off "Oatie posters" as you can obviously see from the posts in this thread, no one has taken what I said offensively except you. Members of the Oatcake don't represent the entire population of Stoke City fans on the internet. So instead of coming across like a complete twatlike i now am, why not take a step back evaluate what your typing and think a little first. gee thanks mum........or alternatively you could try looking at the website before joining and decide that if you obviously have no sense of humour then it might not be the place for you   |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 15, 2013 11:57:53 GMT
Kightly is utter dog shite.
If you like your footballers to be slow, have no skill, can't pass the ball, can't cross a ball and can't beat a man like the manager does, the Kightly is your man.
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Post by Godo on Apr 15, 2013 12:23:47 GMT
There is only one man responsible for our inadequate and unbalanced squad and that is Pulis.
The criticism leveled at the lack of ability of individual players is made on here to support arguments regarding Pulis's in ability to select the correct players and for the obvious favouritism - which does the players no good - of work horses over artists.
The Op appears to not understand the purpose of a football forum. I would never vocally abuse any player wearing a Stoke strip on match day. During the game I support the team and the manager despite my belief that the manager and half of yesterdays team are not Premiership standard. But forums like this exist to enable fans to debate why the team is doing badly 0r for those with long memories, well. The alternative - to never criticise the manager and players - who's wages we pay and who are the temporary custodians of the jobs and shirts of a team we will be supporting long after they have moved on - would be the actions of a clueless, servile clone.
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