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Post by Dave the Rave on Apr 5, 2013 11:45:44 GMT
If we do lose to that Villa side, at home, then we deserve to be relegated there and then on the spot. Let's hope we get a bit of luck
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Post by Godo on Apr 5, 2013 11:50:33 GMT
Somewhere along the line in those last seven games we will win one and draw 2 and we will be safe.
If we can't stay up with that run-in - the Shit at home aside - then we deserve to go down.
Will probably wave to Villa as we move in different directions at the end of 2013/14 season though.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 5, 2013 11:55:15 GMT
If we do lose to that Villa side, at home, then we deserve to be relegated there and then on the spot. Let's hope we get a bit of luck That's it in a nutshell We've got to play Villa, Sunderland, Norwich, QPR and Southampton. Four of the five being amongst the worst teams in the league. If we can't scrape, by hook or by crook, enough points to survive (probably 6) from those games then we actually deserve to go down. It's as simple as that.
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Post by basingstokie on Apr 5, 2013 11:56:36 GMT
Every game we play is winnable, that's why Soton beat Chelsea & Man Utd have been beaten 3 times this season
Unfortunately, Pulis's comments along the lines of 'got more money than us', 'been in this league along time' and 'we can't compete with the likes of [Blythe Spartans]' & 'we lack a bit of quality' aren't exactly inspiring.
He should be bigging up our players, both in the media and the changing rooms. get the opposition scared of big Huth and tall Crouchy
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 5, 2013 11:58:05 GMT
Ivan Gaskell has just tweeted that TP said "We could lose the next 5 games and win the last 2 and still get 40 points" at his press conference. Yeah, good luck with that if it's what you end up needing to do Tony. And privately, he knows full well that we don't even need to score again this season to get past 40 points ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2013 12:02:51 GMT
I think you really might go down as so far a lot of you,and most of your players have fallen into the "we ONLY need 2 wins" trap, and games are running out. I personally hope you stay up but if you get beat off us where are those 2 wins coming from ? Also a lot will depend on you lot tomorrow if we score early and you turn on TP and the team we could run riot May the best team (on the day lol) win UP THE VILLA Agree with most of that apart from may the best team win. I dont want the best team to win, I just want Stoke to win. If you had 90 shots and they all hit the bar or post, and we scored from an own goal to nick it, i dont care. incidentally, there's more chance of scoring like that than anything else!
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Post by underdog on Apr 5, 2013 12:04:02 GMT
Lose to the Villa, were down......simple as that. Probably the most crucial game of this stint in the premiership. Could go either way IMO.
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Post by staffsvilla on Apr 5, 2013 12:09:06 GMT
If we do lose to that Villa side, at home, then we deserve to be relegated there and then on the spot. Let's hope we get a bit of luck Dave ,i dont know if i should feel offended by that post but being a realist ,yes you should be
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 5, 2013 12:09:20 GMT
Pulis is absolutely fucking obsessed with this 40 points bollocks.
I bet he has a room dedicated to the number 40 in that plush house of his down Sandbanks.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 5, 2013 12:11:11 GMT
If we do lose to that Villa side, at home, then we deserve to be relegated there and then on the spot. Let's hope we get a bit of luck That's it in a nutshell We've got to play Villa, Sunderland, Norwich, QPR and Southampton. Four of the five being amongst the worst teams in the league. If we can't scrape, by hook or by crook, enough points to survive (probably 6) from those games then we actually deserve to go down. It's as simple as that. Simple as that eh?. Tell me, given current form and our tasty away record, can you really see us going away to QPR (fighting for their lives), Sunderland (where we are regularly shit) and Southampton (pretty decent at home) and winning? I sure as hell cant. Thats the blunt truth unless the Capped One changes his philosophy. We really need to get on over the Shit at the Brit this time I feel. Pulis needs to stop looking at them in awe and get up them.
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Post by staffsvilla on Apr 5, 2013 12:13:35 GMT
There are always extremes mate but we've only taken 2 points more at home than away ! Put it this way if you had our away record you'd have 39 pts and be virtually safe You have conceded 34 goals from 15 away games this season. That's 2.3 per game (thereabouts). Hope springs eternal that even Crouch and Walters might bag tomorrow Graves as we all know you can do anything with stats,as i frequently do in the name of banter, for instance you've only scored 1 goal more at home than we have away ,so it should be an even game
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 5, 2013 12:25:22 GMT
That's it in a nutshell We've got to play Villa, Sunderland, Norwich, QPR and Southampton. Four of the five being amongst the worst teams in the league. If we can't scrape, by hook or by crook, enough points to survive (probably 6) from those games then we actually deserve to go down. It's as simple as that. Simple as that eh?. Tell me, given current form and our tasty away record, can you really see us going away to QPR (fighting for their lives), Sunderland (where we are regularly shit) and Southampton (pretty decent at home) and winning? I sure as hell cant. Thats the blunt truth unless the Capped One changes his philosophy. We really need to get on over the Shit at the Brit this time I feel. Pulis needs to stop looking at them in awe and get up them. I was fairly sure I'd made myself quite clear but you seem to have done a good job of misinterpreting what I said. I didn't say we WERE going to go to those places and turn them over. I said IF we can't get six points from 5 of the poorer teams in the league then the simple bit is we deserve to go down not that it would be a simple task to acheive survival. In any case the permutations are ridiculous at the moment which is why losing the Villa game will not lead to automatic relegation to the Evo Stick Northen Premier as some on here think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2013 12:28:08 GMT
I actually don't mind Villa and hope they stay up (as long as its not at our cost)
Lambert is not a bad manager at all and from what I've seen they play some good stuff. They just lack experience when the going gets tough, that old head to pull them all together and calm them down.
If we aren't high tempo and in their face tomorrow then they will play us off the park.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 5, 2013 12:28:19 GMT
You have conceded 34 goals from 15 away games this season. That's 2.3 per game (thereabouts). Hope springs eternal that even Crouch and Walters might bag tomorrow Graves as we all know you can do anything with stats,as i frequently do in the name of banter, for instance you've only scored 1 goal more at home than we have away ,so it should be an even game Ergo a draw. Which would suit us slightly better than yow. Despite what the doom mongers are saying.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 5, 2013 12:29:51 GMT
Simple as that eh?. Tell me, given current form and our tasty away record, can you really see us going away to QPR (fighting for their lives), Sunderland (where we are regularly shit) and Southampton (pretty decent at home) and winning? I sure as hell cant. Thats the blunt truth unless the Capped One changes his philosophy. We really need to get on over the Shit at the Brit this time I feel. Pulis needs to stop looking at them in awe and get up them. I was fairly sure I'd made myself quite clear but you seem to have done a good job of misinterpreting what I said. I didn't say we WERE going to go to those places and turn them over. I said IF we can't get six points from 5 of the poorer teams in the league then the simple bit is we deserve to go down not that it would be a simple task to acheive survival. In any case the permutations are ridiculous at the moment which is why losing the Villa game will not lead to automatic relegation to the Evo Stick Northen Premier as some on here think. I never said that losing would mean auto relegation Gravy. Misinterpreting seems to be a common thing on here, seemingly if you have a different opinion to others than that makes you in the wrong most of the time thats all. (Not accusing you though mind before people come at me with pitchforks). I know you never said we were going to go there and turn them over, I thought your point was you could see us getting what we needed from them away games, which for me, is easier said than done due to our away tactics that was all!.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 5, 2013 12:32:29 GMT
That's ok then Can we play nicely now then?
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Post by staffsvilla on Apr 5, 2013 12:34:33 GMT
Graves as we all know you can do anything with stats,as i frequently do in the name of banter, for instance you've only scored 1 goal more at home than we have away ,so it should be an even game Ergo a draw. Which would suit us slightly better than yow. Despite what the doom mongers are saying. 100% agree with what you posted above although there is no doubt tomorrows game is important, a defeat for either side is not terminal as some are saying, ok i've stirred it a bit with this thread but as i put elsewhere even if we lose i believe we can still stay up, as is the same for you and yes a draw would do for you which is what i hope and think TP is thinking which gives us a chance, but only a chance
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Post by pickins on Apr 5, 2013 12:37:25 GMT
We shouldn't hope or wait for luck. We don't need luck this weekend. We need a calculated, clinical & ruthless performance.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 5, 2013 12:39:07 GMT
That's ok then Can we play nicely now then? Oh go on then
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 5, 2013 12:39:41 GMT
[/img][/quote] Ergo a draw. Which would suit us slightly better than yow. Despite what the doom mongers are saying. [/quote] 100% agree with what you posted above although there is no doubt tomorrows game is important, a defeat for either side is not terminal as some are saying, ok i've stirred it a bit with this thread but as i put elsewhere even if we lose i believe we can still stay up, as is the same for you and yes a draw would do for you which is what i hope and think TP is thinking which gives us a chance, but only a chance [/quote] Mate unfortunately, and it's a point others on here make more forcibly than me, Pulis goes in to every game with the mindset that "we,ve got a point so don't lose it" so nothing will change dramatically, just because its you.
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Post by bossthemidfield on Apr 5, 2013 12:41:54 GMT
Tomorrow is a MUST WIN for me, we cannot hope to win an away game this season and the next game to target for a win will be Norwich. That should do. Anything from Manure and Spuds would be a bonus. I’m sure TP is targeting the Villa and Norwich games to achieve his magical 40 points! Lets hope the team is up for it tomorrow.
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Post by staffsvilla on Apr 5, 2013 12:43:36 GMT
[/img][/quote] Ergo a draw. Which would suit us slightly better than yow. Despite what the doom mongers are saying. [/quote] 100% agree with what you posted above although there is no doubt tomorrows game is important, a defeat for either side is not terminal as some are saying, ok i've stirred it a bit with this thread but as i put elsewhere even if we lose i believe we can still stay up, as is the same for you and yes a draw would do for you which is what i hope and think TP is thinking which gives us a chance, but only a chance [/quote] Mate unfortunately, and it's a point others on here make more forcibly than me, Pulis goes in to every game with the mindset that "we,ve got a point so don't lose it" so nothing will change dramatically, just because its you. [/quote] TP sounds just like AMC, its just he's [TP] a bit better at it
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Apr 5, 2013 12:49:25 GMT
Pulis is absolutely fucking obsessed with this 40 points bollocks. I bet he has a room dedicated to the number 40 in that plush house of his down Sandbanks. I often have 40 winks between the hours of 3 and quarter to 5 in the afternoon on most Saturdays
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Post by pickins on Apr 5, 2013 12:49:27 GMT
In terms of football and league status then realistically this isn't, technically, a ' must win ' game but I would have thought that, from TP's point of view, this would be the perfect opportunity to dampen down some of the discontent surrounding him. A big win here would bolster his cause and a 3 - 0 or 4 - 0 victory could start a bit of a backlash from the squad who have come in for quite a bit of criticism lately.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 5, 2013 12:53:32 GMT
Yes I bet they really enjoyed playing away at Southampton, Man City and Chelsea There are always extremes mate but we've only taken 2 points more at home than away ! Put it this way if you had our away record you'd have 39 pts and be virtually safe You cant say we would be virtually safe. You are never safe until you are safe. fortunately as it stands we are more safe than Villa and several other clubs.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 5, 2013 12:57:22 GMT
We do only need to finish ahead of one of Villa, Wigan, Sunderland and Newcastle (I do think Norwich, Southampton and West Ham are unlikely to be involved although Newcastle could well be if they don't beat Fulham on Sunday)
It's obviously possible we can do that even if we lose tomorrow, given Wigan and Sunderland's run-in.
But it will need a win against Norwich and a draw at Sunderland - and if we do lose tomorrow, that would probably be unlikely given the poisonous post mortem and further crushing of morale.
Villa: 30 GD-26 Targets: Fulham (H) Sunderland (H) Wigan (A) Possibles: Stoke (A) Norwich (A) Unlikely: Man Utd (A) Chelsea (H)
Wigan: 30 GD-20 Targets: Swansea (H) Villa (H) Possibles: QPR (A) West Ham (A) WBA (A) Unlikely: Spurs (H) Arsenal (A) Man City (A)
Sunderland: 31 GD-10 Targets: Everton (H) Stoke (H) Soton (H) Possibles: Villa (A) Unlikely: Newcastle (A) Chelsea (A) Spurs (A)
Newcastle: 33 GD-15 Targets: Fulham (H) Sunderland (H) Possibles: WBA (A) West Ham (A) Liverpool (H) QPR (A) Unlikely: Arsenal (H)
Norwich: 34 GD-19 Targets: Swansea (H) Reading (H) Villa (H) WBA (H) Possibles: Stoke (A) Unlikely: Arsenal (A) Man City (A)
Stoke: 34 GD-9 Targets: Villa (H) Norwich (H) Possibles: QPR (A) Sunderland (A) Southampton (A) Unlikely: Man Utd (H) Spurs (H)
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 5, 2013 13:16:14 GMT
What's really worrying is our manager saying such things as "we can lose the next 5, as long as we win 2 at the end". There's no sense of urgency from Pulis and there should be. We should see villa as an extremely important game just like villa will see it. I worry that seeing how Pulis has played down the importance of it, the team that wants it more, as is often the case will win. If we don't I think we will really struggle. Has he really come out and said that, I normally don't care what he says in the press but fuck me, great thing to say
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Post by lowlands on Apr 5, 2013 14:20:59 GMT
If we play like we did against Liverpool on Boxing Day we will win, we wanted it we fought for it and we got it. If we play like we have since Boxing Day were fucked
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Post by redwhite on Apr 5, 2013 14:50:13 GMT
What's really worrying is our manager saying such things as "we can lose the next 5, as long as we win 2 at the end". There's no sense of urgency from Pulis and there should be. We should see villa as an extremely important game just like villa will see it. I worry that seeing how Pulis has played down the importance of it, the team that wants it more, as is often the case will win. If we don't I think we will really struggle. Has he really come out and said that, I normally don't care what he says in the press but fuck me, great thing to say Yep, right at the start www.knotfm.co.uk/2013/04/stoke-citys-tony-pulis-ahead-of/His message should be "we need 40 points for safety which is why Villa is a vital game". Such a negative message to put no urgency on the one game in particular we should win and just hope we scrape 40 points by the end. 40 points should be our minimum target, with scope to do better but with Pulis it's reach the bear minimum and job done. No positivity or urgency at all.
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Post by stokhe on Apr 5, 2013 14:57:19 GMT
I think you really might go down as so far a lot of you,and most of your players have fallen into the "we ONLY need 2 wins" trap, and games are running out. I personally hope you stay up but if you get beat off us where are those 2 wins coming from ? Also a lot will depend on you lot tomorrow if we score early and you turn on TP and the team we could run riot May the best team (on the day lol) win UP THE VILLA of our remaining fixtures i would say villa at home is our best chance of 3 points.if we get nowt from the game then i reckon we are in the championship next season.
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