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Post by shotbybothsides on Mar 14, 2013 16:12:52 GMT
Seeing as you all hate us and think yoove got problems with Tony, have a gander at this ! Not meant to start another round "I fuckin hate Wolves" replies (I know it will), its just funny in my opinion.
Anyway, at least we can laugh at ourselves, though sadly its all too near the truth.
The Moxey lookalike sweating in the corner is bostin!
Hope you enjoy.........well, a bit!
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Post by onionman on Mar 14, 2013 16:38:05 GMT
Funny, that.
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Post by casper113 on Mar 14, 2013 18:20:18 GMT
pooo
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 18:45:59 GMT
We don't hate Wolves. They're of no significance to us.
Well they maybe next season...
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Post by redsaturday on Mar 14, 2013 19:29:09 GMT
That's not funny
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Post by generationex on Mar 14, 2013 20:52:23 GMT
Hey Shotbybothsides - what happened on your wolves fan-sites after Big Mick was sacked?
Did the posters demanding he leave say "we may have got that one wrong" or did they explain away your collapse by reference to another reason - say "if they had listened to me sooner we would have survived"?
Did the support have a list of names that they were sure would be the next manager?
Did the majority on your fan site expect an improvement as a result of the sacking?
Did any posters oppose Mick's sacking and how were they treated by the Anti's?
Did anyone mention Charlton and get shouted down for it?
Did any rabid "out" posters ever apologise and accept they may have been wrong with hindsight?
Did they stop posting or change their user name or just tough it out?
It would be fascinating to hear about the stance of your support following what - I assume - is now recognised as a calamitous fan driven decision.
Oh and is your user name based on the magazine song or are you from Stafford?!!
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Post by shotbybothsides on Mar 14, 2013 22:08:57 GMT
Hey Shotbybothsides - what happened on your wolves fan-sites after Big Mick was sacked? Did the posters demanding he leave say "we may have got that one wrong" or did they explain away your collapse by reference to another reason - say "if they had listened to me sooner we would have survived"? Did the support have a list of names that they were sure would be the next manager? Did the majority on your fan site expect an improvement as a result of the sacking? Did any posters oppose Mick's sacking and how were they treated by the Anti's? Did anyone mention Charlton and get shouted down for it? Did any rabid "out" posters ever apologise and accept they may have been wrong with hindsight? Did they stop posting or change their user name or just tough it out? It would be fascinating to hear about the stance of your support following what - I assume - is now recognised as a calamitous fan driven decision. Oh and is your user name based on the magazine song or are you from Stafford?!! You really want answers? 1) Fans still debate whether McCarthy was good or bad for us - great in so many ways but should have been sacked sooner is majority view. Too late when he was sacked. We were doomed as Frazer would have said. 2) Everyone has their favourates but Curbishley (rightly or wrongly) was the favourate. He was perceived as the polar opposite of McCarthy's "put in a shift" football. We are still weighed down by McCarthy's players today. Curbishley changed his mind overnight, after only being offered a short term contract which was madness. It was hardly an appealing post anyway, seeing we were very likely to go down. 3) Not sure we expected an improvement, that's what fans do when you are bottom is'nt it? And after having literally having survived on the last day the previous 2 seasons people get to the point where they have had enough. 4) Yes a few still wanted MM to stay because he had achieved what no one else had - getting us up. Losing 5-1 at home to your rivals when you are already bottom pretty much seals any premiership managers fate I would say. 5) Charlton scenario was hardly appropriate so no was not mentioned. We were bottom, Charlton scenario is more similar to stoke one now. 6) Wrong with hindsight? Not really. It was still right to sack McCarthy, but timing and following managerial decisions were what was wrong. Connor appointment was ludicrous. The fact that was a short term appointment full stop killed this season too. 7) No one changed their user name. 8) Fan driven decision? Not entirely sure it was. Yes they sang "you don't know what your doing" once v Swansea and "youre getting sacked in the morning once v WBA" but that is it. He got out of jail v Swansea after we were outplayed. Fans have been remarkeably patient considering our home record and continue to turn up in good numbers despite absolutely appalling home record (I think its one Saturday home win since mid 2011). Its a results drive business and the fans are the last people to blame for the clubs failings. The sacking was not really fan driven as such, it was the results. Stake Solbakken and TC were never sang against at all, the board also sacked them. Fans recognised TC was out of his depth and that Stale had McCarthy's "put in a shift " players that he could not change the mentality of. You wanted answers! Magazine - love that song (way better than Gen-X  tho I like "Your Generation"). From Whitmore Reans, Wolverhampton. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 14, 2013 22:37:24 GMT
Hey Shotbybothsides - what happened on your wolves fan-sites after Big Mick was sacked? Did the posters demanding he leave say "we may have got that one wrong" or did they explain away your collapse by reference to another reason - say "if they had listened to me sooner we would have survived"? Did the support have a list of names that they were sure would be the next manager? Did the majority on your fan site expect an improvement as a result of the sacking? Did any posters oppose Mick's sacking and how were they treated by the Anti's? Did anyone mention Charlton and get shouted down for it? Did any rabid "out" posters ever apologise and accept they may have been wrong with hindsight? Did they stop posting or change their user name or just tough it out? It would be fascinating to hear about the stance of your support following what - I assume - is now recognised as a calamitous fan driven decision. Oh and is your user name based on the magazine song or are you from Stafford?!! You really want answers? 1) Fans still debate whether McCarthy was good or bad for us - great in so many ways but should have been sacked sooner is majority view. Too late when he was sacked. We were doomed as Frazer would have said. 2) Everyone has their favourates but Curbishley (rightly or wrongly) was the favourate. He was perceived as the polar opposite of McCarthy's "put in a shift" football. We are still weighed down by McCarthy's players today. Curbishley changed his mind overnight, after only being offered a short term contract which was madness. It was hardly an appealing post anyway, seeing we were very likely to go down. 3) Not sure we expected an improvement, that's what fans do when you are bottom is'nt it? And after having literally having survived on the last day the previous 2 seasons people get to the point where they have had enough. 4) Yes a few still wanted MM to stay because he had achieved what no one else had - getting us up. Losing 5-1 at home to your rivals when you are already bottom pretty much seals any premiership managers fate I would say. 5) Charlton scenario was hardly appropriate so no was not mentioned. We were bottom, Charlton scenario is more similar to stoke one now. 6) Wrong with hindsight? Not really. It was still right to sack McCarthy, but timing and following managerial decisions were what was wrong. Connor appointment was ludicrous. The fact that was a short term appointment full stop killed this season too. 7) No one changed their user name. 8) Fan driven decision? Not entirely sure it was. Yes they sang "you don't know what your doing" once v Swansea and "youre getting sacked in the morning once v WBA" but that is it. He got out of jail v Swansea after we were outplayed. Fans have been remarkeably patient considering our home record and continue to turn up in good numbers despite absolutely appalling home record (I think its one Saturday home win since mid 2011). Its a results drive business and the fans are the last people to blame for the clubs failings. The sacking was not really fan driven as such, it was the results. Stake Solbakken and TC were never sang against at all, the board also sacked them. Fans recognised TC was out of his depth and that Stale had McCarthy's "put in a shift " players that he could not change the mentality of. You wanted answers! Magazine - love that song (way better than Gen-X tho I like "Your Generation"). From Whitmore Reans, Wolverhampton. What I cant understand is what that Moores bloke makes of it all. doesnt the buck stop at him? How much money has he got? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 22:39:31 GMT
Hey Shotbybothsides - what happened on your wolves fan-sites after Big Mick was sacked? Did the posters demanding he leave say "we may have got that one wrong" or did they explain away your collapse by reference to another reason - say "if they had listened to me sooner we would have survived"? Did the support have a list of names that they were sure would be the next manager? Did the majority on your fan site expect an improvement as a result of the sacking? Did any posters oppose Mick's sacking and how were they treated by the Anti's? Did anyone mention Charlton and get shouted down for it? Did any rabid "out" posters ever apologise and accept they may have been wrong with hindsight? Did they stop posting or change their user name or just tough it out? It would be fascinating to hear about the stance of your support following what - I assume - is now recognised as a calamitous fan driven decision. Oh and is your user name based on the magazine song or are you from Stafford?!! McCarthy was taking Wolves down anyway, the mistake they made was not properly replacing him. Equally Charlton's problem was in the duff replacements for Curbishley. |
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Post by generationex on Mar 14, 2013 23:24:54 GMT
Thanks for that SBBS - that's an interesting assessment of your clubs position, particularly the effect of being bottom when you sacked mad mick - it suggests there was no great divide in the support as no one wanted him to stay.
Which I guess is logical if your clubs bottom and might account for the difference with our support - there's a constant friction between doing ok and the style played, resulting in the bloody carnage of this board.
And you're right about magazine too!
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Post by shotbybothsides on Mar 15, 2013 6:34:32 GMT
There is a much deeper respect for McCarthy and he did get a full ground standing ovation when he returned with ipswich this season. It is frustrating that we are very well run financially yet staring at 3rd tier football. Any fan would question how this has come about. Morgan is wealthy, owning redrow homes, but not like coates, and he won't/wouldnt finance the type of wages that Coates does at stoke which natural turnover would not finance.
I (along with many) fell moxey is to blame. Yes his customer relations and ticket pricing have been deeply unpopular, but for me he spent too little of turnover on wages. Nearly every comparable club spent 50-70m on wages (about 60-90% of turnover), Wolves spent £38m (49% of turnover), this despite moxey recogninsing the close correlation between wages and quality.
The way any fans feel is unique to their situation, so it is difficult to compare. Remember Stoke are my 2nd team having seen them loads over the years back to 1970, I take my son to The Vic once or twice per season, he has a Stoke top with Etherington on the back, I too swear my head off at that twat Adrian Durham on Talk Sport.
Its a very hard situation with Pulis, I understand what Stoke fans feel, but equally it is very easy to unintentionally damage what you have already got when you only really want to strive for progress. Of course fans appreciate that, its a genuine dilemma and only the outcome will determine who "thinks"they were right. I think Pulis has had chance to play more through the midfield and does have technically good players, but how does he take Stoke to the next level?
It is really difficult when the league is so unlevel.
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Post by lordb on Mar 15, 2013 8:49:31 GMT
Hey Shotbybothsides - what happened on your wolves fan-sites after Big Mick was sacked? Did the posters demanding he leave say "we may have got that one wrong" or did they explain away your collapse by reference to another reason - say "if they had listened to me sooner we would have survived"? Did the support have a list of names that they were sure would be the next manager? Did the majority on your fan site expect an improvement as a result of the sacking? Did any posters oppose Mick's sacking and how were they treated by the Anti's? Did anyone mention Charlton and get shouted down for it? Did any rabid "out" posters ever apologise and accept they may have been wrong with hindsight? Did they stop posting or change their user name or just tough it out? It would be fascinating to hear about the stance of your support following what - I assume - is now recognised as a calamitous fan driven decision. Oh and is your user name based on the magazine song or are you from Stafford?!! McCarthy was taking Wolves down anyway, the mistake they made was not properly replacing him. Equally Charlton's problem was in the duff replacements for Curbishley. it'sthe duff replacement bit that worries me who is our chairman again? imho Coates is far more likely to appojnt a Dowie rather than a Martinez |
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Post by biganddaft on Mar 15, 2013 8:59:55 GMT
There is a much deeper respect for McCarthy and he did get a full ground standing ovation when he returned with ipswich this season. It is frustrating that we are very well run financially yet staring at 3rd tier football. Any fan would question how this has come about. Morgan is wealthy, owning redrow homes, but not like coates, and he won't/wouldnt finance the type of wages that Coates does at stoke which natural turnover would not finance. I (along with many) fell moxey is to blame. Yes his customer relations and ticket pricing have been deeply unpopular, but for me he spent too little of turnover on wages. Nearly every comparable club spent 50-70m on wages (about 60-90% of turnover), Wolves spent £38m (49% of turnover), this despite moxey recogninsing the close correlation between wages and quality. The way any fans feel is unique to their situation, so it is difficult to compare. Remember Stoke are my 2nd team having seen them loads over the years back to 1970, I take my son to The Vic once or twice per season, he has a Stoke top with Etherington on the back, I too swear my head off at that twat Adrian Durham on Talk Sport. Its a very hard situation with Pulis, I understand what Stoke fans feel, but equally it is very easy to unintentionally damage what you have already got when you only really want to strive for progress. Of course fans appreciate that, its a genuine dilemma and only the outcome will determine who "thinks"they were right. I think Pulis has had chance to play more through the midfield and does have technically good players, but how does he take Stoke to the next level? It is really difficult when the league is so unlevel. Good post marra. My only worry is you are still visiting the "Vic" with your son. Perhaps that's why you don't think we are in too much trouble on the pitch; watching the game through binoculars could be the future. ;D |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Mar 15, 2013 9:38:43 GMT
Interesting post and maybe it is easier to be more objective from a distance.
I'm one of the few who want Pulis to stay because I think he will turn it around and could develop us into an exciting top ten team.
But looking at it coldly and rationally I think the decision to replace him would be verging on commercial insanity.
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Post by y2j on Mar 15, 2013 12:53:01 GMT
We don't hate Wolves. They're of no significance to us. Well they maybe next season... As a Stafford Stokie of many years, they are of massive significance to me, and many others. For years, I was abused as Wolves kept coming up & down to the Premier (we were nowhere near). I know many Wolves fans and there disinterest in watching them is bloody funny. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 12:58:19 GMT
We don't hate Wolves. They're of no significance to us. Well they maybe next season... As a Stafford Stokie of many years, they are of massive significance to me, and many others. For years, I was abused as Wolves kept coming up & down to the Premier (we were nowhere near). I know many Wolves fans and there disinterest in watching them is bloody funny. I have live in Wolverhampton since I was 4 years old. Majority of my mates are Dingles and for years I was mocked for being a Stokie especially during the Jack Haywood era. However its just banter and I am currently enjoying the payback. ;D However, it is also a stark reminder of how quickly it can all go pear shaped. Relegation for Wolves would be disasterous for the Wolves and it would take years to recover. Piss poor management from the top, they should hang their heads in shame. I do feel a bit sorry for the genuine unwashed ones! ;D |
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Post by onionman on Mar 15, 2013 13:14:51 GMT
As a Stafford Stokie of many years, they are of massive significance to me, and many others. For years, I was abused as Wolves kept coming up & down to the Premier (we were nowhere near). I know many Wolves fans and there disinterest in watching them is bloody funny. I have live in Wolverhampton since I was 4 years old. Majority of my mates are Dingles and for years I was mocked for being a Stokie especially during the Jack Haywood era. However its just banter and I am currently enjoying the payback. ;D However, it is also a stark reminder of how quickly it can all go pear shaped. Relegation for Wolves would be disasterous for the Wolves and it would take years to recover. Piss poor management from the top, they should hang their heads in shame. I do feel a bit sorry for the genuine unwashed ones! ;D It goes one of two ways if they go down. Us, Sheff Wed, Leeds and Forest have had bloody nightmares trying to get promoted from that division. But Norwich and Leicester bounced straight back and used their momentum for a push at promotion to the Prem. Wolves are financially sound - which bodes well for them. But that positive is cancelled out by the presence of Jez Moxey. |
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Post by markscfc72 on Mar 15, 2013 15:57:36 GMT
sorry but would love to see Wolves go down , even if its just for all the vile stick they gave Matty when he was stretchered off
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Post by markfitdt on Mar 15, 2013 18:19:26 GMT
I'm one of the few who want Pulis to stay because I think he will turn it around and could develop us into an exciting top ten team. Top ten team? maybe. Exciting? Pulis? Never! |
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Post by onionman on Mar 15, 2013 18:25:18 GMT
This quote from Jez Moxey from March 2011, practically two years ago to the day:
"We are kidding ourselves if we think we can usurp Manchester United, but we think we can get to just below that level - in the top three, four or five clubs where we can be competing in Europe."
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tho I like "Your Generation"). 
