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Post by jarvinski on Mar 11, 2013 8:22:35 GMT
This excuse for a footballer is incabable of passing to one of his own players, i dont think he could find a red and white shirt if he was locked in the club shop, charlie adam must wonder what is going on, for christs sake pulis, in the little time you have left, try listening to the fans and get rid of whelan
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 11, 2013 8:24:26 GMT
Whelan badly needs taking out of the firing line.
The crowd are turning on him, when really they should be directing their frustration elsewhere.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 11, 2013 8:26:27 GMT
Players being hung out to dry - who'd of thought it?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 11, 2013 8:54:57 GMT
Pulis is most likely picking certain players so fans can have ago at those players,therefore avoiding Pulis himsen.  |
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Post by jonnybravo on Mar 11, 2013 8:54:58 GMT
The buck stops with the manager it's not his fault he's not good enough but keeps getting picked,maybe pulis is doing it on purpose to try stop all the flack being directed at himself Walters has had it for over a year now
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Post by potterglen on Mar 11, 2013 9:02:45 GMT
Whelan badly needs taking out of the firing line. The crowd are turning on him, when really they should be directing their frustration elsewhere. Totally agree, once again the Capped One has to take responsibility for selecting a jaded player every week. Whelan hasn't had a break for 2 seasons with his commitments with the ROI. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 11, 2013 9:12:48 GMT
The worst thing is if he drops him you can forget about Adam, Palacios, GCam or even Wilsom. Step forward Dean Whitehead. I think I'd prefer Whelan out of the 2.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 9:18:28 GMT
the idea of pulis picking whelan to distract the flak heading his way is ludicrous, however i have said for some time that whelan is our weak link 99% of our play is broken up by a missplaced pass from whelan.his backpass yesterday was one of the worst things i have ever seen on a football pitch,i was in the pub watching it and was left speechless there was absoloutly no need to do it he was near the halfway line ffs
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Post by borat on Mar 11, 2013 9:20:58 GMT
I'm one of the few fans whose defended Whelan but last week against West Ham was the worst midfield performance I've seen in a long time. Yesterday he started ok but then faded badly and obviously cost us the game.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 11, 2013 9:25:58 GMT
How many more times can a player play so bad and cost us games before they are dropped? Any other club he would of been dropped 20 months ago but with this one trick pony he plays him Walters crouch etc regardless of form or end product because he is scared of his millions of pounds worth of footballers on the bench or at home doing the business!!! If not why buy them then??
Pulis Out
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Post by jarhead on Mar 11, 2013 9:29:03 GMT
No doubt whelan will start v WBA and Pulis all this week will again patronise the fans telling us we know nothing and how lucky we are plus its only Luck going against us!
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Post by foster on Mar 11, 2013 9:29:27 GMT
Tone only drops his favourites when they get injured.
See Mama for details.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 11, 2013 9:31:36 GMT
True.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 11, 2013 9:33:04 GMT
This is why I ain't renewing after 18 years a season ticket holder.
Enough shit is enough now. Just sick of it and his patronising bullshit.
He has to go!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 9:34:52 GMT
He needed dropping weeks ago.
Mind you, with our chronic lack of options (only the 15M worth of central midfielders on the bench and in the stands...) there I can see why he hasn't.
Oooo, you sarcastic sod!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 11, 2013 10:37:06 GMT
I've posted similar before, but there is one thing I don't get with the Whelan situation, particularly the bit about the reluctance to drop him.
For 3 seasons, Whelan was the very best option that we had at the club to partner Rory yet he was always the first to be dropped and always had to fight the hardest to get into the side and to stay in the side.
During those first 3 seasons, Whelan sat on the bench whilst all sorts of shit (Salif, Amdy Faye, Olifinjana, Whitehead, Wilson, even Abdy Faye once) plyed their trade ahead of him in the pecking order. Even when Rory was moved wide, Whelan rarely found himself as the first choice partner for whoever remained in the middle.
Every time he got back into the side, the team went on winning runs or runs of better form, but one international call-up later and he would be back on the bench.
At a time when he genuinely should have been the first name on the teamsheet, he wasn't.
Nowadays, we seem to have some decent midfield options and when the new players arrived, all assumed that Whelan would again be left fighting for his spot yet here we are, with the season not long from being over, and Whelan is a virtual ever present.
First name on the team sheet and no matter how badly he plays or for how long that bad run of form continues, Whelan keeps getting picked.
It makes no sense and however you dress it up, it is shit management by TP.
It shouldn't matter who the player is, if they aren't playing well, with a squad as big as ours, another player should be brought in to have the chance to claim the shirt.
I just don't get it! I really don't and I feel for Whelan because I like him. He should have been dropped a month ago though.
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Post by harry on Mar 11, 2013 10:38:26 GMT
People who know me will know i back TP all the way,and think the worst thing we could do would be to get rid of him,But this one really gets me,how the hell Whelan gets a game is a bloody joke!!!,what is it that he is supposed to give to the team?,cant pass,cant tackle cant bloody run
Does my head in, thats what he does,every bloody week
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 10:50:06 GMT
the idea of pulis picking whelan to distract the flak heading his way is ludicrous, however i have said for some time that whelan is our weak link 99% of our play is broken up by a missplaced pass from whelan.his backpass yesterday was one of the worst things i have ever seen on a football pitch,i was in the pub watching it and was left speechless there was absoloutly no need to do it he was near the halfway line ffs Don't be so sure, if you understood what Pulis was like behind the scenes it may not sound so ludicrous. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 11, 2013 12:12:05 GMT
I've posted similar before, but there is one thing I don't get with the Whelan situation, particularly the bit about the reluctance to drop him. For 3 seasons, Whelan was the very best option that we had at the club to partner Rory yet he was always the first to be dropped and always had to fight the hardest to get into the side and to stay in the side. During those first 3 seasons, Whelan sat on the bench whilst all sorts of shit (Salif, Amdy Faye, Olifinjana, Whitehead, Wilson, even Abdy Faye once) plyed their trade ahead of him in the pecking order. Even when Rory was moved wide, Whelan rarely found himself as the first choice partner for whoever remained in the middle. Every time he got back into the side, the team went on winning runs or runs of better form, but one international call-up later and he would be back on the bench. At a time when he genuinely should have been the first name on the teamsheet, he wasn't. Nowadays, we seem to have some decent midfield options and when the new players arrived, all assumed that Whelan would again be left fighting for his spot yet here we are, with the season not long from being over, and Whelan is a virtual ever present. First name on the team sheet and no matter how badly he plays or for how long that bad run of form continues, Whelan keeps getting picked. It makes no sense and however you dress it up, it is shit management by TP. It shouldn't matter who the player is, if they aren't playing well, with a squad as big as ours, another player should be brought in to have the chance to claim the shirt. I just don't get it! I really don't and I feel for Whelan because I like him. He should have been dropped a month ago though. NAIL ON THE HEAD  |
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 11, 2013 12:17:09 GMT
I've posted similar before, but there is one thing I don't get with the Whelan situation, particularly the bit about the reluctance to drop him. For 3 seasons, Whelan was the very best option that we had at the club to partner Rory yet he was always the first to be dropped and always had to fight the hardest to get into the side and to stay in the side. During those first 3 seasons, Whelan sat on the bench whilst all sorts of shit (Salif, Amdy Faye, Olifinjana, Whitehead, Wilson, even Abdy Faye once) plyed their trade ahead of him in the pecking order. Even when Rory was moved wide, Whelan rarely found himself as the first choice partner for whoever remained in the middle. Every time he got back into the side, the team went on winning runs or runs of better form, but one international call-up later and he would be back on the bench. At a time when he genuinely should have been the first name on the teamsheet, he wasn't. Nowadays, we seem to have some decent midfield options and when the new players arrived, all assumed that Whelan would again be left fighting for his spot yet here we are, with the season not long from being over, and Whelan is a virtual ever present. First name on the team sheet and no matter how badly he plays or for how long that bad run of form continues, Whelan keeps getting picked. It makes no sense and however you dress it up, it is shit management by TP. It shouldn't matter who the player is, if they aren't playing well, with a squad as big as ours, another player should be brought in to have the chance to claim the shirt. I just don't get it! I really don't and I feel for Whelan because I like him. He should have been dropped a month ago though. I fully agree, contrast that approach with Rooney at manure, no-one should be exempt from being dropped |
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 11, 2013 12:22:19 GMT
The worst thing is if he drops him you can forget about Adam, Palacios, GCam or even Wilsom. Step forward Dean Whitehead. I think I'd prefer Whelan out of the 2. At least deano marks and gets shots on goal... and doesn't backpass to their forwards once a game ??? For once you lot cannot say Whelans passing has been better than the rest. He's actually the worst and only getting worse every game his possession stats are so bad he's in a new category even tv commentary is starting to notice his weak and horrid performances.. I'd rather have any other cm player start against WBA. If you choose Whelan next game your mad.. If you told me Shotton and deano looked more promising to score than Whelan on bet365 odds id laugh. But as of late its SCARRY true. Ohh how the mighty have fallen. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 11, 2013 12:34:16 GMT
I think he's got too much to do in a midfield two because that's what we're playing. Pick Adam and either drop Whelan and play Whitehead to the right or play Whelan in that threesome and he'll be better! I feel like weeping when I think what a fully functioning Palacios could and should have been doing in our midfield with N'Zonzi. Even Whelan may have been able to adjust. We need to try 4-3-3 for the next couple of home games as our right wing options are non-existent. Surely it can't be any worse than it is at the moment.
I think Whelan has probably almost run his course with us but I've been a fan to a greater or lesser extent given the dearth of alternatives. However, our complete lack of dynamism and vitality throughout the team is depressing. There's no zap, zip, vim or vigour and I can't see it returning anytime soon. Pulis is strangling the joy out of playing the game and watching it.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 11, 2013 12:43:45 GMT
our front 3 don't work when we try to use 4-3-3 though Jimmy because essentially, given that TP uses two of them as wide players in a 4-4-1-1 (Walters and Jerome) it all to easily becomes 4-5-1.
We simply don't have the quality to play 4-3-3 in my opinion, in either the midfield or forward positions. If we have the quality, we don't have a manager who will adopt this approach as a means of being positive, hence it never really materialises as a 4-3-3.
For me, we just need to go back to doing what we are good at and that is 4-4-1-1 with Jerome or Walters partnering Kenwyne up front.
Etherington then goes on the left (Shea if Etherington is still injured) and Kightly or Shotton play on the right (I would rather Pennant but that will never happen).
Set our stall out, play at a tempo the opposition don't like and try our best to win the game from the start.
Tommy/Asmir (I would go with Tommy)
Wilko, Shawcross, Cameron, Wilson
Kightly, N'zonzi, ???, Etherington
Jones
Jerome
EDIT - I share your thoughts on Palacios. So frustrating and for all his faults with fitness, it surely can't help the lad have any motivation at all when in reserve games, he is being played at right back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 12:55:31 GMT
Whelan has been a good servant for us and tries his best. Pulis is hanging out another player to dry and is becoming a target for the boo boys.
As has been mentioned many many times its is criminal that having spent 8 million on Palacios and 4 million on Charlie that these two player alone don't suit us, are'nt trusted, can't play in the wind, don't fit the system blah blah.
12 million quid on 2 midfield players and we still rely on 500,000 Glenn Whelan. Not the lads fault.
Ally that to the fact that Marc Wilson is suppossed to be a midfielder and it just beggars belief.
Its groundhog day, we discuss the same problems week in week out and its down to the manager.
Just sack him now and stop this cancer spreading through the club.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 11, 2013 13:00:07 GMT
I blame TP and Kemp for picking whelan and crouch everygame in our spell. Badform is a plague and compound it with he Huth situation. I'm not surprised at all of another dire performance by Glenn and also peter getting no real opportunities he is good on his day but hasn't seen it since teethgate. It's simple jerome jones walters nzonzi with Adam, geoff or deano at holding cdm. I don't believe this 500,000 player left to dry Crap..  We have to rotate out of form players is all. For me id rather have deano or Adam because of effort and defense all game than Whelan who is non existent in attack and a liability on the ball in cm.. in that case put in the better defender imo deano. Will TP play a 4 1 2 2? Nope. Walters, jones, Jerome for me drop crouch. Deano cdm infront of our back 4. Adam or walters each game its our best away attacking option though. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 11, 2013 13:00:21 GMT
The buck stops with the manager it's not his fault he's not good enough but keeps getting picked,maybe pulis is doing it on purpose to try stop all the flack being directed at himself Walters has had it for over a year now He was more than good enough before Christmas hes just having a poor run at the min, Pulis is playing him knowing hes good enough and gets back to his previous form, plus he's better than anybody that could replace him. |
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We have to rotate out of form players is all. For me id rather have deano or Adam because of effort and defense all game than Whelan who is non existent in attack and a liability on the ball in cm.. in that case put in the better defender imo deano. Will TP play a 4 1 2 2? Nope. Walters, jones, Jerome for me drop crouch. Deano cdm infront of our back 4. Adam or walters each game its our best away attacking option though.
