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Post by BristolMick on Mar 10, 2013 11:56:46 GMT
They're not mutually exclusive views though are they? You can say we are abysmal to watch, anti football, dirty, whatever and still overall consider that fans wanting to get rid of him is utterly idiotic can't you? We are now in a position on here where every anti Pulis article is feted, framed in roses and worshiped and any utterance suggesting that maybe wanting him out is not a good idea is rounded on as the musings of a pissed up know nothing hack. It's a bit boring and a bit wank. Momo. Do you think that if the current management team stay in place that the next 18 months will be different than the last 18 months? If you do, why do you? If you don't why do you want them to stay in place? BM
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 11:57:57 GMT
They're not mutually exclusive views though are they? You can say we are abysmal to watch, anti football, dirty, whatever and still overall consider that fans wanting to get rid of him is utterly idiotic can't you? We are now in a position on here where every anti Pulis article is feted, framed in roses and worshiped and any utterance suggesting that maybe wanting him out is not a good idea is rounded on as the musings of a pissed up know nothing hack.It's a bit boring and a bit wank. Maybe you can say that, but surely they can see an argument that the abysmal to watch stuff might be a factor in their not being a groundswell of support for him when results take a turn for the worse? To not even consider that seems fairly ignorant on their part. Personally I've got no problem with views from either side as long as they present some kind of reasoned argument. Just saying the fans are dicks/Pulis is a dick based on the most superficial of understandings of the situation deserves to be treated with contempt.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 10, 2013 11:58:47 GMT
Its mind boggling that someone expressing the perfectly reasoned view that things are not that bad that we should get rid of our most succesful manager in decades is classed as 'spectacularly ill informed'. I think all the anti-Pulis stuff on here has caused some people to lose any sense of perspective they ever had. Whereas when they bang on about what a poor side Stoke are and they are anti football they're talking shite?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 10, 2013 12:02:12 GMT
They're not mutually exclusive views though are they? You can say we are abysmal to watch, anti football, dirty, whatever and still overall consider that fans wanting to get rid of him is utterly idiotic can't you? We are now in a position on here where every anti Pulis article is feted, framed in roses and worshiped and any utterance suggesting that maybe wanting him out is not a good idea is rounded on as the musings of a pissed up know nothing hack. It's a bit boring and a bit wank. Momo. Do you think that if the current management team stay in place that the next 18 months will be different than the last 18 months? If you do, why do you? If you don't why do you want them to stay in place? BM I've said I wouldn't mind if he went in the summer and I wouldn't mind if he's given the chance to rectify things Mick. He has worked his way out of similar holes before so he could do again. What I do rail against is the constant and vicious denigration of him and his record. The instant condescending dismissal of any view suggesting that it might not be a great idea to get rid of him by Stoke fans or outsiders and the abuse that runs wild for someone who has had such a positive impact on the club and local area.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 10, 2013 12:03:44 GMT
They're not mutually exclusive views though are they? You can say we are abysmal to watch, anti football, dirty, whatever and still overall consider that fans wanting to get rid of him is utterly idiotic can't you? We are now in a position on here where every anti Pulis article is feted, framed in roses and worshiped and any utterance suggesting that maybe wanting him out is not a good idea is rounded on as the musings of a pissed up know nothing hack. It's a bit boring and a bit wank. Shouldn't you be preparing to worship at the throne of Roberto Martinez, Sheiky. Bringer of promotion. Savior of Premier League status season after season. And now the Provider of Wembley! Goodness gracious he only needs to pull a dolly draw out for the semi-final and then fluke his way into the Europa League courtesy of the eventual FA Cup winners already qualifying for the Champions League and he will also be the Emperor of Europe! That would grant him the never, ever to be questioned, can do absolutely nothing wrong, receptor of forever grateful status, shirley? Right up there with Wise and Jones! ;D
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 10, 2013 12:10:57 GMT
They're not mutually exclusive views though are they? You can say we are abysmal to watch, anti football, dirty, whatever and still overall consider that fans wanting to get rid of him is utterly idiotic can't you? We are now in a position on here where every anti Pulis article is feted, framed in roses and worshiped and any utterance suggesting that maybe wanting him out is not a good idea is rounded on as the musings of a pissed up know nothing hack. It's a bit boring and a bit wank. Shouldn't you be preparing to worship at the throne of Roberto Martinez, Sheiky. Bringer of promotion. Savior of Premier League status season after season. And now the Provider of Wembley! Goodness gracious he only needs to pull a dolly draw out for the semi-final and then fluke his way into the Europa League courtesy of the eventual FA Cup winners already qualifying for the Champions League and he will also be the Emperor of Europe! That would grant him the never, ever to be questioned, can do absolutely nothing wrong, receptor of forever grateful status, shirley? Right up there with Wise and Jones! ;D Martinez has never been promoted to the Premier League Mark. You're going to have to dig deep to denigrate Tone's performance in bringing that one around? Worst Championship in history perchance?
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Post by jeycov on Mar 10, 2013 12:12:22 GMT
Momo. Do you think that if the current management team stay in place that the next 18 months will be different than the last 18 months? If you do, why do you? If you don't why do you want them to stay in place? BM I've said I wouldn't mind if he went in the summer and I wouldn't mind if he's given the chance to rectify things Mick. He has worked his way out of similar holes before so he could do again. What I do rail against is the constant and vicious denigration of him and his record. The instant condescending dismissal of any view suggesting that it might not be a great idea to get rid of him by Stoke fans or outsiders and the abuse that runs wild for someone who has had such a positive impact on the club and local area. Well said - media speculation re change of approach in the transfer market is encouraging imo - the sooner we are mathematically safe then some of the pressure will be off. I believe that he should be given another season to manage to increased resources and indeed expectations. Survival in the Premiership is our priority at this moment in time and getting behind the players and the management is very important
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 12:13:47 GMT
Momo. Do you think that if the current management team stay in place that the next 18 months will be different than the last 18 months? If you do, why do you? If you don't why do you want them to stay in place? BM I've said I wouldn't mind if he went in the summer and I wouldn't mind if he's given the chance to rectify things Mick. He has worked his way out of similar holes before so he could do again. What I do rail against is the constant and vicious denigration of him and his record. The instant condescending dismissal of any view suggesting that it might not be a great idea to get rid of him by Stoke fans or outsiders and the abuse that runs wild for someone who has had such a positive impact on the club and local area. Don't you have to judge each view on its own merits? Is it not conceivable that some views on each side of the fence are baseless and that Richardson's in this instance is one of them? What compelling case has he made to support his argument beyond 'look where they've come from'?
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Post by RAF on Mar 10, 2013 12:15:05 GMT
Shouldn't you be preparing to worship at the throne of Roberto Martinez, Sheiky. Bringer of promotion. Savior of Premier League status season after season. And now the Provider of Wembley! Goodness gracious he only needs to pull a dolly draw out for the semi-final and then fluke his way into the Europa League courtesy of the eventual FA Cup winners already qualifying for the Champions League and he will also be the Emperor of Europe! That would grant him the never, ever to be questioned, can do absolutely nothing wrong, receptor of forever grateful status, shirley? Right up there with Wise and Jones! ;D Martinez has never been promoted to the Premier League Mark. You're going to have to dig deep to denigrate Tone's performance in bringing that one around? Worst Championship in history perchance? Aidy Boothroyd and Ian Dowey did that in 18 months at Watford and Palace respectively. And Palace were 3rd from bottom. Piece of piss H
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 10, 2013 12:17:00 GMT
It's funny how the media can criticise our style of play yet the fans have no right to vent such frustations.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 10, 2013 12:18:44 GMT
Shouldn't you be preparing to worship at the throne of Roberto Martinez, Sheiky. Bringer of promotion. Savior of Premier League status season after season. And now the Provider of Wembley! Goodness gracious he only needs to pull a dolly draw out for the semi-final and then fluke his way into the Europa League courtesy of the eventual FA Cup winners already qualifying for the Champions League and he will also be the Emperor of Europe! That would grant him the never, ever to be questioned, can do absolutely nothing wrong, receptor of forever grateful status, shirley? Right up there with Wise and Jones! ;D Martinez has never been promoted to the Premier League Mark. You're going to have to dig deep to denigrate Tone's performance in bringing that one around? Worst Championship in history perchance? I think the relative merits of helping drag penniless Swansea up by its bootstraps with the panache and style methods used by Martinez compared to the grinding minimalist methods Pulis employs using the Bet365 millions does not require any illuminating observations from me or anyone else, Sheiky. And you knows it!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 10, 2013 12:33:12 GMT
Martinez has never been promoted to the Premier League Mark. You're going to have to dig deep to denigrate Tone's performance in bringing that one around? Worst Championship in history perchance? I think the relative merits of helping drag penniless Swansea up by its bootstraps with the panache and style methods used by Martinez compared to the grinding minimalist methods Pulis employs using the Bet365 millions does not require any illuminating observations from me or anyone else, Sheiky. And you knows it! But perhaps getting Stoke promoted to the top flight for the first time in a generation, keeping them there for five years. sprinkled with a decent cup run (and only our third ever visit to the continent) plays well to certain galleries, Mark? Surely the bare facts of Pulis achievements at least make some journalists comments understandable. Another way to look at Martinez is to say why doesn't the useless fucker get his team to play prior to February every year. Swings and roundabouts.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 10, 2013 12:36:28 GMT
Martinez has never been promoted to the Premier League Mark. You're going to have to dig deep to denigrate Tone's performance in bringing that one around? Worst Championship in history perchance? Aidy Boothroyd and Ian Dowey did that in 18 months at Watford and Palace respectively. And Palace were 3rd from bottom. Piece of piss H Good achievements but promoted beyond their skill levels RAF. Boothroyd is now behind the Vale playing a brand of football that would makes Tone's look carpet and Dowie a man who cannot speak has got a job speaking on the television in some sort of equal opportunities deal. Tone just keeps on proving people wrong
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2013 12:56:06 GMT
Martin O'Neil started the Villa's problems. ;D
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Post by apb1979 on Mar 10, 2013 12:58:42 GMT
Having just watched Sunday supplement I think Paul Hayward nearly got why we are not happy . Saying that we hav gone backwards .
Richardson has no idea comparing us to Villa ( reason villa are in trouble is because of lack of investment & buying the wrong players) & anyway he's too busy brown nosing to Fergie.
Martin Lipton does like us but rarely ever sees us playing.
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Post by apb1979 on Mar 10, 2013 12:59:30 GMT
Martin O'Neil started the Villa's problems. ;D I couldn't believe he came out with that comment.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 10, 2013 13:02:06 GMT
Villa spent £20M last August, like Moyes, Lambert seems to be able to play the pauper card and pull the wool over people's eyes very adeptly.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 10, 2013 13:02:18 GMT
They're not mutually exclusive views though are they? You can say we are abysmal to watch, anti football, dirty, whatever and still overall consider that fans wanting to get rid of him is utterly idiotic can't you? We are now in a position on here where every anti Pulis article is feted, framed in roses and worshiped and any utterance suggesting that maybe wanting him out is not a good idea is rounded on as the musings of a pissed up know nothing hack. It's a bit boring and a bit wank. It is and it is. For a bloke who supposedly posts a lot of crap you don't half make sense sometimes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2013 13:04:02 GMT
Martin O'Neil started the Villa's problems. ;D I couldn't believe he came out with that comment. It is a pretty daft thing to say, he spent a load of money on players who weren't good enough, they play the same dour football and he lets players out of the core 12/13 stagnate to nothingness after spending millions on them. Two peas from the same pod.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 10, 2013 13:05:56 GMT
Having just watched Sunday supplement I think Paul Hayward nearly got why we are not happy . Saying that we hav gone backwards . Richardson has no idea comparing us to Villa ( reason villa are in trouble is because of lack of investment & buying the wrong players) & anyway he's too busy brown nosing to Fergie. Martin Lipton does like us but rarely ever sees us playing. Richardson is fergies tame journo / mouthpiece
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 10, 2013 13:38:50 GMT
While aware that they are entitled to their opnion, they don't pay a lot of money to watch the bilge we serve up
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 10, 2013 13:58:02 GMT
What really pisses me off is that these pundits make judgements when they don't watch us every week, and they assume that we don't appreciate what Pulis has done for our club when we vent our frustration. We're frustrated with the dirge that passes for football he's serving up these days, and if most of us thought there was even a small chance that he would change his negative ways, then we'd not be so frustrated and would look on it as part of 'The Premiership Experience'. Unfortunately, we know from years and years of experience that Pulis will NOT change his ways, and we're also aware that the only way we're heading at the moment is down.
Maybe, as Momo says, he can turn things around, but our faith in him doing it after watching two years of regression gives us little faith that he can. We had the 'Three Year Plan', and that was fine, but we're drifting aimlessly towards oblivion if something drastic isn't done.
Let's hope for at least a point today to calm the nerves. If we lose again today against a side that had a hard game mid-week, is also struggling with form, and has injuries to key players, I'LL be looking over my shoulder nervously.
OS.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 10, 2013 19:27:13 GMT
Aidy Boothroyd and Ian Dowey did that in 18 months at Watford and Palace respectively. And Palace were 3rd from bottom. Piece of piss H Good achievements but promoted beyond their skill levels RAF. Boothroyd is now behind the Vale playing a brand of football that would makes Tone's look carpet and Dowie a man who cannot speak has got a job speaking on the television in some sort of equal opportunities deal. Tone just keeps on proving people wrong Have you seen the draw for the semi-finals? Sheiky, prepare you forever grateful to Roberto prayer mat! ;D
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 10, 2013 21:58:01 GMT
Good achievements but promoted beyond their skill levels RAF. Boothroyd is now behind the Vale playing a brand of football that would makes Tone's look carpet and Dowie a man who cannot speak has got a job speaking on the television in some sort of equal opportunities deal. Tone just keeps on proving people wrong Have you seen the draw for the semi-finals? Sheiky, prepare you forever grateful to Roberto prayer mat! ;D Bournemouth, Macclesfield, Huddersfield, Everton. If Wigan fans are anything like a lot of Stoke fans they'll be too embarrassed to even turn up at Wembley. Diminished achievement, not worthy of any recognition. Piss easy draw.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2013 22:09:32 GMT
Have you seen the draw for the semi-finals? Sheiky, prepare you forever grateful to Roberto prayer mat! ;D Bournemouth, Macclesfield, Huddersfield, Everton. If Wigan fans are anything like a lot of Stoke fans they'll be too embarrassed to even turn up at Wembley. Diminished achievement, not worthy of any recognition. Piss easy draw. Unlike Cardiff, York, Brighton and then West Ham?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 10, 2013 22:16:03 GMT
Bournemouth, Macclesfield, Huddersfield, Everton. If Wigan fans are anything like a lot of Stoke fans they'll be too embarrassed to even turn up at Wembley. Diminished achievement, not worthy of any recognition. Piss easy draw. Unlike Cardiff, York, Brighton and then West Ham? It was Cardiff, Wolves, Brighton, West Ham (and then Bolton rather than Blackburn or Millwall.) A significantly higher average league position than Wigan have faced. If they're anything like Stoke fans, I'd be surprised if they bothered turning up at Wembley. An achievement even less distinguished than our wank effort.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2013 22:20:00 GMT
Unlike Cardiff, York, Brighton and then West Ham? It was Cardiff, Wolves, Brighton, West Ham (and then Bolton rather than Blackburn or Millwall.) A significantly higher average league position than Wigan have faced. If they're anything like Stoke fans, I'd be surprised if they bothered turning up at Wembley. An achievement even less distinguished than our wank effort. I wasn't sure if it was York, I just remember playing them in the cup back then. ;D Cardiff and Wolves played reserve sides and Everton are massive step up on West Ham. Our run was harder but only just.
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 10, 2013 22:25:49 GMT
Now I'm looking over my shoulder. ??? And I'm now down to the desperation of hoping for a draw against the baggies next week. OS.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 11, 2013 0:06:46 GMT
The guys on there are all on TP's side, John Richardson who usually reports from Old Trafford says " it's ridiculous, I think Tony Pulis has done a fantastic job" , " look what's happened at Aston Villa when people started to get on Martin O'neils back", " but Peter Coates is a wise old bird and I don't think he'll be doing any Chopin and changing" John Richardson...the unfunny one from 8 Out Of 10 Cats?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 11, 2013 0:23:36 GMT
Unlike Cardiff, York, Brighton and then West Ham? It was Cardiff, Wolves, Brighton, West Ham (and then Bolton rather than Blackburn or Millwall.) A significantly higher average league position than Wigan have faced. If they're anything like Stoke fans, I'd be surprised if they bothered turning up at Wembley. An achievement even less distinguished than our wank effort. It is an achievement that has a currency that fails to buy an excuse for the wankery we have been exposed to for much of the time since. I'm sure you would agree?
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