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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 8, 2013 23:53:01 GMT
ULTIMATE PULISBALL:Begovic Wilko Ryan Huth Higgy Pennant N'Zonzi Rory Matty KJ Ric
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 8, 2013 23:57:38 GMT
ULTIMATE PULISBALL:Begovic Wilko Ryan Huth Higgy Pennant N'Zonzi Rory Matty KJ Ric Perfection.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2013 0:00:17 GMT
One for MD, why did we never sign him? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmus_ElmGood throw in and an excellent footballer. And we do miss the throws, as sad as that is we do. We don't apply anywhere near the same amount of pressure to sides as we used to with our set pieces. The lack of a throw in, corners and a decent set piece taker are killing TP's tactics because he hasn't evolved.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 9, 2013 0:05:03 GMT
Expert on free kicks and corners, too. Six foot tall, defensive midfielder - why not? He'd be like a young, Swedish Rory.
Completely agree on set pieces, by the way. I know we didn't score that many off it, but we miss the way in which the throw would pen teams back and win us set pieces. In fact, I find it bizarre that we let our best winner of set pieces leave on a free in the summer.
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Post by prettything on Mar 9, 2013 0:05:30 GMT
Bayern.
Don't think there are enough goals in your side. I think you would need Walters in there, to tidy up behind KJ. Don't think Cameron has shown enough to have a place in my midfield.
As for those who suggested Fuller. Let it go, hes probably two season past it. There is a reason why he signed for Charlton.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2013 0:05:41 GMT
One for MD, why did we never sign him? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmus_ElmGood throw in and an excellent footballer. And we do miss the throws, as sad as that is we do. We don't apply anywhere near the same amount of pressure to sides as we used to with our set pieces. The lack of a throw in, corners and a decent set piece taker are killing TP's tactics because he hasn't evolved. It's not only the lack of set piece takers but the lack of forwards who can actually win those set pieces in the first place. What on earth was going through his mind with the signings he's made since the cup final season is anybody's guess ... I suppose all that money he was given to spend will ultimately lead to his downfall.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2013 0:19:46 GMT
MD&Paul-totally agree, I mentioned it on here ages ago, it's why seeing Jerome stretching the play last Saturday was a blessed relief to me. He's no Fuller but it was better than KJ or Crouch there imo. prettything-maybe there isn't but if I was manager Walters would be sold so he's not in my plans! I'd hope that with a more creative midfield who have more freedom we'd create more and utilise that as well as set pieces. In reality I'd want new full backs, no Adam, 2 wingers and someone better than KJ but beggars can't be choosers. As for Cameron, I think he's a central midfielder and really want to see him there, I think he could be excellent for us.
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Post by prettything on Mar 9, 2013 0:42:07 GMT
Nah, Walters is an asset in the forward role. As for Cameron, he hasn't shown anything that suggest he would an improvement on Whitehead or Whelan in the central midfield role.
When Walters is on form,and played in the right position,he has shown what he can give to the team, time and time again.
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Post by prettything on Mar 9, 2013 0:42:45 GMT
Agree with rest, mind.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2013 0:46:22 GMT
I think Walters is a Championship plodder, we'll never agree! He's superior to Whitehead for the simple fact he can tackle without giving away free kicks. Whitehead is another I can't stand as a footballer, fantastic trier but he can do one. I'd rather see Ness and Cuvelier given a chance than Whitehead. You've picked the two players in the squad footballing wise that I can't abide. ;D I agree re Whelan but the games he has played in midfield he has looked decent and I think deserves a chance there. And Whelan at the moment needs a rest despite on the whole having a decent season bar the past few months.
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Post by prettything on Mar 9, 2013 0:58:21 GMT
Ness and Cuevllior we both haven't seen enough of. It's like saying Crowe, Paul Conner or Moult should be given a chance
Walters, as proved in our FA cup run, is an all action, clever, link up man who can score a goal or two. He embodies what Stoke have,and are all about .
I think Adam will still prove useful, we have the players to bring the best out of him.
My concern is the wingers. Whether we like it or not, we, as a club have been known for our wing play. Look at our history during the last sixty years, and you will see that when Stoke are at their best, we have always had two wing men to rely upon.
That very fact has been the reason for the disgruntlement during the last 18 months. Etherington is finished, so is Pennant, for what ever reason , and Shea isn't ready
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2013 1:08:42 GMT
If I said I'd rather see my dead Gran who has been six foot under for 15 years in the midfield than Whitehead does that emphasise my point more? He seems a nice enough bloke, he does what he's told but he's a terrible footballer even within the limits of TP's tactics. I've seen enough of Cuvelier to know I'd rather see him than Whitehead, I've seen Ness play once so that's just hyperbole. My Gran was some footballer though! He does embody what we're all about, I don't like that. Hard work and graft with little or no skill and finesse. I don't think he's clever (footballing wise) either. He still hasn't mastered the art of meeting a pass so it isn't intercepted or competing for a flick on instead of trying to nudge the defender and achieving nothing. Go for the fucking ball man....a bit of matchday rage coming out there sorry. He could be but I'm not an Adam fan anyway but especially if he's played as TP wants, You've got an average player and making him look crap. We don't know that Shea isn't ready tbf if it's not fitness related, 15 international caps, a whole host of clubs have been interested in him and he did more in 10 minutes on Saturday than the rest of our wingers this season. He's not fit enough yet so I agree in that sense but I think footballing wise he's as ready as he'll ever be.
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Post by prettything on Mar 9, 2013 1:53:39 GMT
Shea looks way off the pace, for me.
Whitehead could be a decent foil to Adam, if Adam was played in the right position.
Walters has been awful of late, but played behind KJ and with Adam dictating the midfield , we could see some gains. Our system relies on wingers, something we haven't got at the moment. Pennant is done , we need to play through the middle for the rest of the season.
Palacious is an enigma. What the fuck is going on with this lad?
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Post by banksisgod on Mar 9, 2013 2:09:41 GMT
Begovic Cameron Huth Shawcross Wilson N'Zonzi Palacios Jerome Adam Shea Jones
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Post by borat on Mar 9, 2013 9:12:56 GMT
Anyone putting Walters in the team needs help, he's been WANK for 18 months. To the OP that team is too attacking but it would be VERY entertaining and would score lots of goals.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2013 13:29:46 GMT
Shea looks way off the pace, for me. Whitehead could be a decent foil to Adam, if Adam was played in the right position. Walters has been awful of late, but played behind KJ and with Adam dictating the midfield , we could see some gains. Our system relies on wingers, something we haven't got at the moment. Pennant is done , we need to play through the middle for the rest of the season. Palacious is an enigma. What the fuck is going on with this lad? Against West Ham he looked bright, pacy and got his head up and was looking for a pass. It was good to see that from one of our players because barring N'Zonzi it rarely happens. Naturally there was no movement up front because by that time Jerome had been shifted to the wing. Whitehead is plain awful, he'd be a good foil for someone in the Championship. A liability of a footballer. He hasn't been the same since his Brother died.
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