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Post by johnbutlershair on Mar 7, 2013 1:34:55 GMT
Add diao into that as well
Vis Unita Fortior
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 7, 2013 1:39:35 GMT
I have a lot of time for Salif, he was kept for too long yeah but when he first came he was a breath of fresh air from what we had seen before.
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Post by onionman on Mar 7, 2013 2:07:32 GMT
Apart from Lee Hendrie, another crucial signing when his innate defensiveness was causing unrest. Fuck knows what he was on when he decided to go for him ;D That was a very important little flurry of signings, wasn't it? Delap, Fuller and Hendrie. And Higgy was moved to centre-back at the same time, with Griffin taking the left-back spot.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 7, 2013 2:52:44 GMT
Stop talking about his large number of good signings.
I want more negativity.
Remember Mark [not Marc] Wilson?
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Mar 7, 2013 8:01:24 GMT
Well, yeah...apart from Paul Williams, Sonko, Davies, Upson and Woodgate... But, Ryan/Huth/Abdy etc were bought for first team. To take us/keep us up. Woodgate and Upson were brought in as cover. They didnt need to be world beaters or they wouldnt be cover. In the respect of Upson, he never let us down really and he even scored 2-4 goals. Woodgate had a few shockers, agreed. However he had some great games to, remember his debut vs Chelsea? Davies was never given a proper chance, and injuries scuppered it to, so he wasn't a flop or a success, just a unlucky one. The rest I'll give you Well said!
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Post by RAF on Mar 7, 2013 9:13:26 GMT
We spent 18 months chasing Ledley as well Compared to chasing Zamora for over 10 years that is nothing. H
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 7, 2013 9:51:57 GMT
Pulis would still most likely sign him given the chance.
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 7, 2013 10:05:10 GMT
Thankfully for us, he either:
didn't like hoofball (someone probably blew in his ear and told him at the time he was far too good to have the ball completely by-pass the middle - and, to be fair... )
was offered a shed load more cash by the left footers
knew his level (a rarity if so?) & was actually a little frightened of the PL's standard and fancied an easier life in Scotland
or, hated TP's guts?
Any one of them will do for me & we were extremely lucky.
And, yes, individual signings at GK, CB & Ric do redeem TP overall it has to be said, but his record for signing CMs is absolutely shocking.
Even N'Zonzi is now a "mardy fooker" according to most.
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Post by rorymscfc on Mar 7, 2013 10:11:51 GMT
Diao was a superb signing at the time as well
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 12:02:34 GMT
pissing hell...so now we're stooping to the level of slagging off the manager for players he DIDN'T buy?
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Post by johnbutlershair on Mar 7, 2013 12:04:31 GMT
pissing hell...so now we're stooping to the level of slagging off the manager for players he DIDN'T buy? Pulis should be sacked for not signing Sidwell, Francis, Hulse and Zamora!!! Shocking!!!!
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 7, 2013 12:09:43 GMT
pissing hell...so now we're stooping to the level of slagging off the manager for players he DIDN'T buy? Not really MMLC, isn't it a view on his ability or otherwise to spot & buy the right ones?
Like every manager, he'll broadly have a plus or minus score.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 12:13:05 GMT
If we'd have actually managed to sign our top transfer targets in that window I wonder if we'd have managed to stay up? Carson, Gardner and Ledley for a combined what, £15m?
Sorensen is often overlooked as one of TP's very best signings IMO. Easy to forget what a coup it was to get Abdy in as well after he'd had a decent first season with Newcastle.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 7, 2013 12:19:42 GMT
If we'd have actually managed to sign our top transfer targets in that window I wonder if we'd have managed to stay up? Carson, Gardner and Ledley for a combined what, £15m? Sorensen is often overlooked as one of TP's very best signings IMO. Easy to forget what a coup it was to get Abdy in as well after he'd had a decent first season with Newcastle. Indeed. Faye was brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 12:40:13 GMT
pissing hell...so now we're stooping to the level of slagging off the manager for players he DIDN'T buy? Not really MMLC, isn't it a view on his ability or otherwise to spot & buy the right ones?
Like every manager, he'll broadly have a plus or minus score.but you can't judge his ability based on players he didn't sign but may have succeeded/failed elsewhere can you? Andy Carroll for instance,could really work for us but crap for Liverpool Demba Ba, great at Newcastle, could have crap for us Torres, brilliant for Liverpool, shit at Chelsea hindsight is a wonderful thing but unless the team they went to play EXACTLY the same kind of football as us then you have absolutely no clue whatsoever how they would have worked out for us....look at James Beattie, are we now saying he was crap at Stoke because of where he's ended up so therefore he MUST be a crap player? it's ridiculous
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Post by mightymike on Mar 7, 2013 12:43:25 GMT
If we'd have actually managed to sign our top transfer targets in that window I wonder if we'd have managed to stay up? Carson, Gardner and Ledley for a combined what, £15m? Sorensen is often overlooked as one of TP's very best signings IMO. Easy to forget what a coup it was to get Abdy in as well after he'd had a decent first season with Newcastle. He also wanted Walters in that window. IF he did bring in Walters and Ledley they would have played more than Tonge and Soares who were the 'panic' replacements IMO.
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 7, 2013 12:45:37 GMT
when talking about signings good or bad....who can forget CHRIS CLARK!? who i hear you ask......yeah that was him, little Ant & Buxton's best mate! signed to prove a point, that Pulis wouldn't play the two icelanders signed for him by the board. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Clark_(footballer_born_1984)
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 7, 2013 12:46:09 GMT
have no doubt that he has bought some quality players and some lemons too, that's football, it is difficult to judge what their true ability is. The only thing that appears certain is that mostly they don't suit our present "style"
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Post by mightymike on Mar 7, 2013 12:46:53 GMT
when talking about signings good or bad....who can forget CHRIS CLARK!? who i hear you ask......yeah that was him, little Ant & Buxton's best mate! signed to prove a point, that Pulis wouldn't play the two icelanders signed for him by the board. You would prefer Triggy and Ziggy?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 13:09:11 GMT
If we'd have actually managed to sign our top transfer targets in that window I wonder if we'd have managed to stay up? Carson, Gardner and Ledley for a combined what, £15m? Sorensen is often overlooked as one of TP's very best signings IMO. Easy to forget what a coup it was to get Abdy in as well after he'd had a decent first season with Newcastle. He also wanted Walters in that window. IF he did bring in Walters and Ledley they would have played more than Tonge and Soares who were the 'panic' replacements IMO. They would, but had we got our top targets, ironically, we may well have ended up struggling lot more than we did.
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 7, 2013 13:09:35 GMT
when talking about signings good or bad....who can forget CHRIS CLARK!? who i hear you ask......yeah that was him, little Ant & Buxton's best mate! signed to prove a point, that Pulis wouldn't play the two icelanders signed for him by the board. You would prefer Triggy and Ziggy? Toddy Gudjonsson albeit in the latter stages in his career was a proven player in the league at Derby, and could have done a job. take a look at Chris Clark's career en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Clark_(footballer_born_1984) , given the opportunity again...I'd still take Triggy & Ziggy!
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 7, 2013 13:22:10 GMT
Not really MMLC, isn't it a view on his ability or otherwise to spot & buy the right ones?
Like every manager, he'll broadly have a plus or minus score. but you can't judge his ability based on players he didn't sign but may have succeeded/failed elsewhere can you? Andy Carroll for instance,could really work for us but crap for Liverpool Demba Ba, great at Newcastle, could have crap for us Torres, brilliant for Liverpool, shit at Chelsea hindsight is a wonderful thing but unless the team they went to play EXACTLY the same kind of football as us then you have absolutely no clue whatsoever how they would have worked out for us....look at James Beattie, are we now saying he was crap at Stoke because of where he's ended up so therefore he MUST be a crap player? it's ridiculous Mmm.
With respect, I think you miss the point?
As stated above, I think most were extremely surprised / underwhelmed to put it mildly when he was tabling £6 / £8M bids for Ledley in the first place.
In other words, he wasn't worth that before he came ("crap" is too harsh).
So it's not a comment on his "worth" after he didn't pull up trees at Celtic.
OK Celtic don't play our 'style', agreed, but even so, he's done nothing there to suggest he was worth that or even that he would have fitted in better here (& so been worth it) is there?
And no, the 'other' club don't have to play the EXACTLY same style as us to make a judgement do they?
Otherwise Tone would be fishing in a pretty small hoofball pond and we could logically never evolve.
w.r.t. players you mention & us (Torres is irrelevant) I agree with comments on Carroll tbh & know TP had an eye on him at an early stage before he got ridiculously over hyped / priced.
And yes, it was easier to see that as N'castle were lumping it up to him for England.
I vehemently disagree though with views on Ba. In fact I can't think of many strikers better suited to us up top tbh.
Knees & medicals aside, that's a comment on his quality & ability - he can and has played & succeeded at different clubs & with different styles.
wrt Beattie, not guilty on saying he was crap at Stoke - he wasn't and arguably saved our bacon after Jan.
I will say he was crap at managing his own career if his off the field antics are considered.
Equally his "crap-ness" elsewhere is probably no more than the expected player decline.
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Post by mightymike on Mar 7, 2013 13:24:38 GMT
Ba disliked how direct Newcastle were, so he would have disliked it even more at Stoke!
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 7, 2013 13:32:14 GMT
Ba disliked how direct Newcastle were, so he would have disliked it even more at Stoke! Wasn't really that though was it?
Being shoved out on the wing / dropped for Cisse didn't help either.
(But either way, I've never heard that personally.)
And I'm not saying he would have stayed, had he come.
But I think for ano £30 / 40 / 50K a week , he and his slimey agent could have justified leaving with any number of excuses.
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Post by onionman on Mar 7, 2013 13:39:29 GMT
pissing hell...so now we're stooping to the level of slagging off the manager for players he DIDN'T buy? ;D This is mild, mate. There's another thread where he's getting slagged off because of a rumour he's going to loan out Jerome. "This is just the kind of thing Pulis would do. He won't do it, because it would be too stupid even for him, but he would do it - what a wanker," is the general school of thought.
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Post by whereami on Mar 7, 2013 15:05:23 GMT
Stop talking about his large number of good signings. I want more negativity. Remember Mark [not Marc] Wilson? ;D For me this is how I'd like to look back on Pulis's reign - admitting the rough with the smooth, but seen at least with some affection and being able to laugh about some of the more dubious parts. For this to stick though I think he'd have to leave sooner rather then later. The remarks from Pulis, the more pro-Pulis camp players and the words that have come out of Tony Pulis's arse (aka Dave Kemp) today make it seem like they're digging in for a battle rather then honestly looking at why so many are wavering.. its like they dont realise that there's still some goodwill holding back the anger, but that could get eroded very quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 15:09:33 GMT
pissing hell...so now we're stooping to the level of slagging off the manager for players he DIDN'T buy? ;D This is mild, mate. There's another thread where he's getting slagged off because of a rumour he's going to loan out Jerome. "This is just the kind of thing Pulis would do. He won't do it, because it would be too stupid even for him, but he would do it - what a wanker," is the general school of thought. yeah, that's kinda the point i'm making.....it's completely and utterly ruining this board now.EVERY bloody thread seemingly HAS to be about how shit Pulis is at everything and if he hasn't been then he probably would be given the chance. beyond tedious and (as foster on another thread drew a parallel to) it's not even a case of "Don't like it don;t read it" as the whole pissin board is just filled with nothing BUT anti-Pulis propaganda personally i want a change to management as well but it really is getting beyond a joke that the PHW's/anti-Pulis brigade (whatever you want to call them) are just completely hijacking and destroying every thread now for their own agendas.tiresome, childish, pathetic are three words that spring to mind...the board just isn't a patch on what it used to be IMHO and it would help if Admin actually did merge threads every now and again...at the moment there are 20 threads on the front page that are about Pulis being shit, Puils' tactics being shit, whether you'll renew your ST because of Pulis being shit or whether he's shit because he did/didn't sign certain players...it really is taking the piss!!!! FFS ADMIN DO SOMETHING AS YOU'RE JUST LETTING THIS BOARD TURN INTO COMPLETE CRAP!!!!!
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Post by johnbutlershair on Mar 7, 2013 15:10:54 GMT
;D This is mild, mate. There's another thread where he's getting slagged off because of a rumour he's going to loan out Jerome. "This is just the kind of thing Pulis would do. He won't do it, because it would be too stupid even for him, but he would do it - what a wanker," is the general school of thought. yeah, that's kinda the point i'm making.....it's completely and utterly ruining this board now.EVERY bloody thread seemingly HAS to be about how shit Pulis is at everything and if he hasn't been then he probably would be given the chance. beyond tedious and (as foster on another thread drew a parallel to) it's not even a case of "Don't like it don;t read it" as the whole pissin board is just filled with nothing BUT anti-Pulis propaganda personally i want a change to management as well but it really is getting beyond a joke that the PHW's/anti-Pulis brigade (whatever you want to call them) are just completely hijacking and destroying every thread now for their own agendas.tiresome, childish, pathetic are three words that spring to mind...the board just isn't a patch on what it used to be IMHO and it would help if Admin actually did merge threads every now and again...at the moment there are 20 threads on the front page that are about Pulis being shit, Puils' tactics being shit, whether you'll renew your ST because of Pulis being shit or whether he's shit because he did/didn't sign certain players...it really is taking the piss!!!! FFS ADMIN DO SOMETHING AS YOU'RE JUST LETTING THIS BOARD TURN INTO COMPLETE CRAP!!!!!Don't forgot the thread about how Pulis should wear a suit to the matches now!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 15:11:53 GMT
yeah, that's kinda the point i'm making.....it's completely and utterly ruining this board now.EVERY bloody thread seemingly HAS to be about how shit Pulis is at everything and if he hasn't been then he probably would be given the chance. beyond tedious and (as foster on another thread drew a parallel to) it's not even a case of "Don't like it don;t read it" as the whole pissin board is just filled with nothing BUT anti-Pulis propaganda personally i want a change to management as well but it really is getting beyond a joke that the PHW's/anti-Pulis brigade (whatever you want to call them) are just completely hijacking and destroying every thread now for their own agendas.tiresome, childish, pathetic are three words that spring to mind...the board just isn't a patch on what it used to be IMHO and it would help if Admin actually did merge threads every now and again...at the moment there are 20 threads on the front page that are about Pulis being shit, Puils' tactics being shit, whether you'll renew your ST because of Pulis being shit or whether he's shit because he did/didn't sign certain players...it really is taking the piss!!!! FFS ADMIN DO SOMETHING AS YOU'RE JUST LETTING THIS BOARD TURN INTO COMPLETE CRAP!!!!!Don't forgot the thread about how Pulis should wear a suit to the matches now! see, he's even shit at dressing himself apparently......PULIS OUT!!!
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 7, 2013 15:26:35 GMT
MMLC, calm down.
I think you'll find that this thread was actually about Joe Ledley being shit / crap / or, as i said, "not worth it".
OK, the odd bit of Tone is...has also 'snuck' in it seems.
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