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Post by E1 Potter on Feb 3, 2013 21:22:07 GMT
I enjoyed myself yesterday. Top time in the pub before the game, decent sing song in our end and a much better performance than I was expecting. Given the form Arsenal have shown in recent weeks, albeit in 20 minute bursts, I thought we defended well. Obviously really easy journey for me though!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 3, 2013 21:26:28 GMT
Perhaps you can share with everyone how you are managing this feat of continuing to extract enjoyment out of your away day excursions Malc because it isn't clear from the above posts. Is it the company of your family and friends? Is it the quality of the luncheon? Do you enjoy travel for its own ends? I just wondered when there are so many people who you know well who have rejected following the team to away matches despite the fact that we have been and seen us lose in all the places you mention and some of the absentees have been to even more of the same than you and I. It can't be because you really get a kick out of such expensively assembled players running around a lot and offering zero goal threat or attacking intent is it? For me it was far more justifiable back in the days you describe to offer my support to a bunch of triers attempting to play football and failing than it is now supporting a bunch of footballers being reduced to triers and failing. What are you seeing that isn't reducing you to the level of despondency that has afflicted supporters who used to put even you laudable devotion to shame in the following to the ends of the Earth stakes? I'll try to answer your question at face value, Mark, and assume there wasn't any sarcasm intended . It won't surprise you to know that it isn't the travel (I seem to spend half my life travelling to London on FSF, FA Council or Tribunal business, so I certainly didn't relish doing it again yesterday) or the lunch, (although that's a nice added extra, I don't have to go to away all day and spend a lot to have a nice lunch with family and friends). Guess what - it IS the football. I love watching Stoke City play live and have done for half a century. I love the spectacle, the sense of common purpose with other stokies, the atmosphere (when it's good, as it was yesterday), the sense of identification with the team, and the feeling of elation when we get a good result. The (many) bad times have made the good times feel even better. Don't get me wrong - there's a lot about modern football and the Premier League which I don't like and some things which make me very angry. Ridiculous prices; matches altered to ridiculous times for TV; greed at all levels; owners who have no feel for the traditions of our game taking over clubs as personal playthings or cash cows ( not Stoke City in that regard); incompetent running of the game; over-paid prima donna players and some of their behaviour on and off the pitch; the treatment of supporters, particularly away supporters by clubs, police and stewards. Against that background, if I also got angry or depressed about Stoke's performance on the pitch, then life would indeed be miserable. I still enjoy away games. The one thing which would stop me going at the moment would be refusal to pay the outrageous prices. We thought about that for Chelsea at £50 and Norwich (of all places !) at £45. If I thought we could have an effective fans boycott I would certainly support it. As I said in the earlier post, for me there have only been 2 aways so far this season which I think have offered nothing. Yesterday I feared one of two things - either a Man City type performance where it's just like a practice game for the home team, or Chelsea a few years ago when were humiliated ( was it 7-0 ?). In fact, we got neither. We got a tremendous effort from all the players, with a top class showing by the defensive unit against some some very good international players. We had more goal attempts than the 1 Walters effort shown on MOTD. And the stokies were in reasonably good voice as well. It was on a par with the perfomances at Liverpool and Spurs earlier in the season, and we were within a few minutes and a deflected goal of getting the same result. The manager tried something new which no-one foresaw with Cameron in a forward role behind Crouch and Wilko and Shotts did OK against Walcott and Oxlade - C., which I feared might be a disaster. For a club like us, I think there are very few easy PL games, and even fewer, if any, easy away games. I'll take a point almost anywhere. I love clean sheets away from home in this league. Of course, we want to see more goals away from home, but I would prefer to see a boring 0-0 to an exciting 3-2 defeat, or a scrappy 1-0 win to a scintillating 3-3 draw every time. It's points on the Board for me. Tonight we are in the top half of the Premier League. Given the finances of the league and the Champions league, I think that's only about 3/4 places below our glass ceiling, which is pretty good, really. In fact I shall be very pleasantly surprised if we are still there at the end of the season, which is why I want to see us get to the magic 40 points as soon as possible. Before xmas we had the best defence in the league but it's all gone a bit tits up since then with the regular back 4 from the start of the season being disrupted - until yesterday. I am surprised that we let Upson go without a replacement. I think a big risk area is an injury or suspension to Huth or Shawcross. I'll continue to go, continue to enjoy it, and continue to support team. I would never criticise anyone else for taking a different decision. We're all different in our views, our personal and financial circumstances. Each to his own. In 1984/85 I managed to go to 30odd Stoke games without seeing us win once all season (illness; work and a family xmas made me miss all of our only 3 wins). If I didn't stop going then, I'm not going to stop now.
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Post by withingtonstokie on Feb 3, 2013 23:36:19 GMT
Brilliant post Malcolm, pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. I couldn't make Arsenal, unfortunately, but ordered my tickets for Fulham away on Friday and am really looking forward to it. The only away game where I was really cheesed off was (yet again!) Man City away - but I, like you I expect, enjoyed the 0-0 away at Spurs! :-)
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Post by luke45 on Feb 4, 2013 8:45:27 GMT
Perhaps you can share with everyone how you are managing this feat of continuing to extract enjoyment out of your away day excursions Malc because it isn't clear from the above posts. Is it the company of your family and friends? Is it the quality of the luncheon? Do you enjoy travel for its own ends? I just wondered when there are so many people who you know well who have rejected following the team to away matches despite the fact that we have been and seen us lose in all the places you mention and some of the absentees have been to even more of the same than you and I. It can't be because you really get a kick out of such expensively assembled players running around a lot and offering zero goal threat or attacking intent is it? For me it was far more justifiable back in the days you describe to offer my support to a bunch of triers attempting to play football and failing than it is now supporting a bunch of footballers being reduced to triers and failing. What are you seeing that isn't reducing you to the level of despondency that has afflicted supporters who used to put even you laudable devotion to shame in the following to the ends of the Earth stakes? I'll try to answer your question at face value, Mark, and assume there wasn't any sarcasm intended . It won't surprise you to know that it isn't the travel (I seem to spend half my life travelling to London on FSF, FA Council or Tribunal business, so I certainly didn't relish doing it again yesterday) or the lunch, (although that's a nice added extra, I don't have to go to away all day and spend a lot to have a nice lunch with family and friends). Guess what - it IS the football. I love watching Stoke City play live and have done for half a century. I love the spectacle, the sense of common purpose with other stokies, the atmosphere (when it's good, as it was yesterday), the sense of identification with the team, and the feeling of elation when we get a good result. The (many) bad times have made the good times feel even better. Don't get me wrong - there's a lot about modern football and the Premier League which I don't like and some things which make me very angry. Ridiculous prices; matches altered to ridiculous times for TV; greed at all levels; owners who have no feel for the traditions of our game taking over clubs as personal playthings or cash cows ( not Stoke City in that regard); incompetent running of the game; over-paid prima donna players and some of their behaviour on and off the pitch; the treatment of supporters, particularly away supporters by clubs, police and stewards. Against that background, if I also got angry or depressed about Stoke's performance on the pitch, then life would indeed be miserable. I still enjoy away games. The one thing which would stop me going at the moment would be refusal to pay the outrageous prices. We thought about that for Chelsea at £50 and Norwich (of all places !) at £45. If I thought we could have an effective fans boycott I would certainly support it. As I said in the earlier post, for me there have only been 2 aways so far this season which I think have offered nothing. Yesterday I feared one of two things - either a Man City type performance where it's just like a practice game for the home team, or Chelsea a few years ago when were humiliated ( was it 7-0 ?). In fact, we got neither. We got a tremendous effort from all the players, with a top class showing by the defensive unit against some some very good international players. We had more goal attempts than the 1 Walters effort shown on MOTD. And the stokies were in reasonably good voice as well. It was on a par with the perfomances at Liverpool and Spurs earlier in the season, and we were within a few minutes and a deflected goal of getting the same result. The manager tried something new which no-one foresaw with Cameron in a forward role behind Crouch and Wilko and Shotts did OK against Walcott and Oxlade - C., which I feared might be a disaster. For a club like us, I think there are very few easy PL games, and even fewer, if any, easy away games. I'll take a point almost anywhere. I love clean sheets away from home in this league. Of course, we want to see more goals away from home, but I would prefer to see a boring 0-0 to an exciting 3-2 defeat, or a scrappy 1-0 win to a scintillating 3-3 draw every time. It's points on the Board for me. Tonight we are in the top half of the Premier League. Given the finances of the league and the Champions league, I think that's only about 3/4 places below our glass ceiling, which is pretty good, really. In fact I shall be very pleasantly surprised if we are still there at the end of the season, which is why I want to see us get to the magic 40 points as soon as possible. Before xmas we had the best defence in the league but it's all gone a bit tits up since then with the regular back 4 from the start of the season being disrupted - until yesterday. I am surprised that we let Upson go without a replacement. I think a big risk area is an injury or suspension to Huth or Shawcross. I'll continue to go, continue to enjoy it, and continue to support team. I would never criticise anyone else for taking a different decision. We're all different in our views, our personal and financial circumstances. Each to his own. In 1984/85 I managed to go to 30odd Stoke games without seeing us win once all season (illness; work and a family xmas made me miss all of our only 3 wins). If I didn't stop going then, I'm not going to stop now. Great post Malcolm, that sums it up perfectly for me. We had a great day out in London on Saturday and Stoke were 100% committed to the cause and gave it their best shot, that's all I ever ask for. I've done most of the away games this season and I agree that there's only been two away games this season that we've offered nothing in, Man City and Swansea. Looking forward to hopefully doing a few more awaydays before the season has finished, I can honestly say I find them thoroughly enjoyable.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 4, 2013 9:19:58 GMT
Perhaps you can share with everyone how you are managing this feat of continuing to extract enjoyment out of your away day excursions Malc because it isn't clear from the above posts. Is it the company of your family and friends? Is it the quality of the luncheon? Do you enjoy travel for its own ends? I just wondered when there are so many people who you know well who have rejected following the team to away matches despite the fact that we have been and seen us lose in all the places you mention and some of the absentees have been to even more of the same than you and I. It can't be because you really get a kick out of such expensively assembled players running around a lot and offering zero goal threat or attacking intent is it? For me it was far more justifiable back in the days you describe to offer my support to a bunch of triers attempting to play football and failing than it is now supporting a bunch of footballers being reduced to triers and failing. What are you seeing that isn't reducing you to the level of despondency that has afflicted supporters who used to put even you laudable devotion to shame in the following to the ends of the Earth stakes? I'll try to answer your question at face value, Mark, and assume there wasn't any sarcasm intended . It won't surprise you to know that it isn't the travel (I seem to spend half my life travelling to London on FSF, FA Council or Tribunal business, so I certainly didn't relish doing it again yesterday) or the lunch, (although that's a nice added extra, I don't have to go to away all day and spend a lot to have a nice lunch with family and friends). Guess what - it IS the football. I love watching Stoke City play live and have done for half a century. I love the spectacle, the sense of common purpose with other stokies, the atmosphere (when it's good, as it was yesterday), the sense of identification with the team, and the feeling of elation when we get a good result. The (many) bad times have made the good times feel even better. Don't get me wrong - there's a lot about modern football and the Premier League which I don't like and some things which make me very angry. Ridiculous prices; matches altered to ridiculous times for TV; greed at all levels; owners who have no feel for the traditions of our game taking over clubs as personal playthings or cash cows ( not Stoke City in that regard); incompetent running of the game; over-paid prima donna players and some of their behaviour on and off the pitch; the treatment of supporters, particularly away supporters by clubs, police and stewards. Against that background, if I also got angry or depressed about Stoke's performance on the pitch, then life would indeed be miserable. I still enjoy away games. The one thing which would stop me going at the moment would be refusal to pay the outrageous prices. We thought about that for Chelsea at £50 and Norwich (of all places !) at £45. If I thought we could have an effective fans boycott I would certainly support it. As I said in the earlier post, for me there have only been 2 aways so far this season which I think have offered nothing. Yesterday I feared one of two things - either a Man City type performance where it's just like a practice game for the home team, or Chelsea a few years ago when were humiliated ( was it 7-0 ?). In fact, we got neither. We got a tremendous effort from all the players, with a top class showing by the defensive unit against some some very good international players. We had more goal attempts than the 1 Walters effort shown on MOTD. And the stokies were in reasonably good voice as well. It was on a par with the perfomances at Liverpool and Spurs earlier in the season, and we were within a few minutes and a deflected goal of getting the same result. The manager tried something new which no-one foresaw with Cameron in a forward role behind Crouch and Wilko and Shotts did OK against Walcott and Oxlade - C., which I feared might be a disaster. For a club like us, I think there are very few easy PL games, and even fewer, if any, easy away games. I'll take a point almost anywhere. I love clean sheets away from home in this league. Of course, we want to see more goals away from home, but I would prefer to see a boring 0-0 to an exciting 3-2 defeat, or a scrappy 1-0 win to a scintillating 3-3 draw every time. It's points on the Board for me. Tonight we are in the top half of the Premier League. Given the finances of the league and the Champions league, I think that's only about 3/4 places below our glass ceiling, which is pretty good, really. In fact I shall be very pleasantly surprised if we are still there at the end of the season, which is why I want to see us get to the magic 40 points as soon as possible. Before xmas we had the best defence in the league but it's all gone a bit tits up since then with the regular back 4 from the start of the season being disrupted - until yesterday. I am surprised that we let Upson go without a replacement. I think a big risk area is an injury or suspension to Huth or Shawcross. I'll continue to go, continue to enjoy it, and continue to support team. I would never criticise anyone else for taking a different decision. We're all different in our views, our personal and financial circumstances. Each to his own. In 1984/85 I managed to go to 30odd Stoke games without seeing us win once all season (illness; work and a family xmas made me miss all of our only 3 wins). If I didn't stop going then, I'm not going to stop now. It's been pretty hard to argue over the weekend, so hard I haven't bothered, that in my opinion we have generally looking a better more composed team away from home this season and Saturday resumed that pattern. We have had a couple of shockers but every team does. Glad a few others feel they can admit they enjoyed the day (and match) on here and a very good response to the quoted post.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2013 9:20:52 GMT
Each to their own. Looking through the remaining fixtures, I will only be doing Newcastle away and only then so that I can meet up with a mate who lives in Whitby.
Come the end of the season, I will have missed more games in one season than I have done in the 20 years since I have been able to drive.
As for Saturday, I can't comment on the game because I didn't see it. I spent the day with my little lad and popped inside to check the half time and full-time score.
1-0 away to Arsenal, courtesy of a lucky deflected goal is a fantastic result. We stay 10th, have done very little damage to our goal difference and have some winnable games coming up.
Well done TP and well done to our magnificent players. I am not so sure I would be feeling so pleased with our efforts had I spent over £ 100 on a day out to watch another game where the height of our ambition was a 0-0 draw (allegedly).
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 4, 2013 10:42:15 GMT
I don't actually think it was the height of our ambition, but personally I have no problem with us setting up to contain and stifle them, particularly in the light of our defensive woes since xmas. What we lacked of course was pace on the break. We only have Jerome with that, and the manager obviously feels it's difficult to incorporate him in that system.
You are of course right about the cost, Dave, the more so with transport costs ever rising. Away supporters are the football industry's best customers and yet that loyalty is exploited and abused. The FSF's "twenty's plenty" campaign, for a maximum away ticket price of £20 is part of a wider campaign about the treatment of away fans.
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Post by ibex on Feb 4, 2013 10:50:34 GMT
I came down from scotland for this and had a cracking weekend. The football was a small part of the whole time in London and it was great to meet up with a few Stoke friends and watch what was an unlucky defeat. We'll always be at a level where we travel to a place like the Emirates in hope rather than expectation to be honest. Good atmosphere in our end and I'll do it all again....
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2013 11:04:33 GMT
I think the "hope" thing is a very good point Ibex.
I agree that we often go to away games for the "just in case" scenario and "in hope rather than expectation".
However, for me at least, the appeal of travelling in the hope of a 0-0 just isn't that exciting. Travelling in the hope that we might actually try to win is more appealing.
I have no problems with us trying to be tight defensively. I would, however, like to see a clear plan as to how we actually might win a game and how we might cause the opposition problems.
We didn't do that away at Villa and then miraculously tried to do so at Spurs. Both games ended with the same scoreline but the Villa game depressed me and the Spurs game delighted me.
What followed, at Man City, Crystal Palace and then finally at Swansea finished me off.
Like many others, I have travelled in hope rather than expectation for too long but hoping we can get a 0-0 isn't really what turns me on anymore.
Cost, lack of mates travelling these days, realising other things are more important added to the absolute shit that TP calls football most of the time is more than enough for me to call it a day for the time being.
I wouldn't have gone to Arsenal on Saturday if the tickets were £20 and the travelling expense was free. I really wouldn't.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 4, 2013 11:14:47 GMT
Very nice of people to tell us just else they got up to instead of watching Stoke on Saturday. When is the medal ceremony?
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Post by ibex on Feb 4, 2013 11:17:09 GMT
I think the "hope" thing is a very good point Ibex. I agree that we often go to away games for the "just in case" scenario and "in hope rather than expectation". However, for me at least, the appeal of travelling in the hope of a 0-0 just isn't that exciting. Travelling in the hope that we might actually try to win is more appealing. I have no problems with us trying to be tight defensively. I would, however, like to see a clear plan as to how we actually might win a game and how we might cause the opposition problems. We didn't do that away at Villa and then miraculously tried to do so at Spurs. Both games ended with the same scoreline but the Villa game depressed me and the Spurs game delighted me. What followed, at Man City, Crystal Palace and then finally at Swansea finished me off. Like many others, I have travelled in hope rather than expectation for too long but hoping we can get a 0-0 isn't really what turns me on anymore. Cost, lack of mates travelling these days, realising other things are more important added to the absolute shit that TP calls football most of the time is more than enough for me to call it a day for the time being. I wouldn't have gone to Arsenal on Saturday if the tickets were £20 and the travelling expense was free. I really wouldn't. I would say the 'hope' thing is more relevant to the away trips to the likes of Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea etc... Not many teams can expect to go there and get a win. The likes of Swansea, Reading, Norwich - yes, I'd be looking to give it more of a go...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2013 11:17:49 GMT
Anyone who supports Stoke deserves a medal whether they go to the games or not.
We are wank and have been wank for as long as I can remember, interspersed with some good every now and then.
What's your point?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 4, 2013 11:26:00 GMT
We are wank and have been wank for as long as I can remember Yep, we are wank now like we've been wank for 96% of my Stoke supporting life. If you can't afford it don't go, if you're working, don't go, if you just don't want to go, don't go. Tearful posts of woe is me manager blaming martyrdom with full updates of what you did instead are just a load of bollocks.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2013 11:30:31 GMT
You're wrong MoMo.
At a time when frustration is at its height, despite us being 10th FFS, I think it is particularly valid if people highlight the fact that they simply can't be arsed to go and watch us anymore.
Lads like myself and all my mates that I have travelled with for years, simply don't bother any more. Lads like Werrington and his pals, don't bother any more.
Lads from the South, who travelled to every game home and away under all sorts of shit managers, don't bother anymore and don't even go to Southern away games let alone venture back for home matches.
Most, if not all, would become 100%ers again were things to change.
Sorry mate. I spent time with my little lad on Saturday and looked for the score at half time and full time. Losing interest is something very much worthy of discussion in my opinion.
If you don't like it, don't read it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 4, 2013 11:35:41 GMT
You're wrong MoMo. At a time when frustration is at its height, despite us being 10th FFS, I think it is particularly valid if people highlight the fact that they simply can't be arsed to go and watch us anymore. Lads like myself and all my mates that I have travelled with for years, simply don't bother any more. Lads like Werrington and his pals, don't bother any more. Lads from the South, who travelled to every game home and away under all sorts of shit managers, don't bother anymore and don't even go to Southern away games let alone venture back for home matches. Most, if not all, would become 100%ers again were things to change. Sorry mate. I spent time with my little lad on Saturday and looked for the score at half time and full time. Losing interest is something very much worthy of discussion in my opinion. If you don't like it, don't read it. It takes it on to another level when sarcasm is thrown at people who do choose to go though dave. It's been worse than this. much, much worse, I just find all this tearful resignation bollocks a little attention seeking and taking the piss out of those who do choose to go a step to far.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 4, 2013 11:43:09 GMT
Well someone goes, because there were 1300+ there on Saturday. Not as good as it once was, but still not too bad. If loads of regulars have given up for whatever reason ( although I still saw a lot of very familiar faces on Saturday) then they must be being replaced by some new supporters.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2013 11:43:39 GMT
Who has taken the piss out of people who attend? Certainly not me. I may have raised some points in relation to MC's original post, as did Wooly, and he has come back and answered them. In fact, given where I am personally with my Stoke City addiction, I'm all for anyone who can restore some of my faith. Malcolm's reasoned comments, in particular this quote..."Guess what - it IS the football. I love watching Stoke City play live and have done for half a century. I love the spectacle, the sense of common purpose with other stokies, the atmosphere (when it's good, as it was yesterday), the sense of identification with the team, and the feeling of elation when we get a good result. The (many) bad times have made the good times feel even better."...are something to cling to in the hope that I can find some inspiration to take myself back into the fold. The thought of not being wholeheartedly committed to following Stoke City has not something that has ever entered my mind until recently. Fulham last season almost finished me off but I found the enthusiasm to return to the fold immediately, most likely for reasons Malcolm posted as highlighted, but Swansea, hot on the heels of Man City and Palace, really broke the camels back. The Newcastle game is a particularly big one for me. I didn't go on Saturday, I won't be at Fulham and will be meeting up with my mate for the Newcastle game. If we are shit, again, and don't bother trying to win, that will be me finished and previously, that has been incomprehensible. I am hoping that game will see us at our best and I will come away with renewed enthusiasm. To me, such feelings, when they are from your hardcore support (be it me, Wezzer, Sufolk, Jamo or anyone else) are very valid and very important discussion points. EDIT - 1300 is a superb effort Malcolm and well done to each and everyone of them that travelled. There are many regulars missing though, as I'm sure you know only too well and obviously the younger generation will take up some of that baton. My pal from Brighton travels to almost all London games with a group of 7 or 8 other lads, sometimes as many of 12 or 13, from the same neck of the woods. He went to Arsenal on his own on Saturday. He posts on here...ohgeorgieberry...and he is as big a Pulis supporter as I know. At Newcastle last year, he was late supping his beer in the concourse and following their early goal, knowing what would follow, didn't even make it into the stand. He stayed on the concourse getting pissed. He had a great day. I watched the game and was thoroughly depressed!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 4, 2013 13:41:24 GMT
You're wrong MoMo. At a time when frustration is at its height, despite us being 10th FFS, I think it is particularly valid if people highlight the fact that they simply can't be arsed to go and watch us anymore. Lads like myself and all my mates that I have travelled with for years, simply don't bother any more. Lads like Werrington and his pals, don't bother any more. Lads from the South, who travelled to every game home and away under all sorts of shit managers, don't bother anymore and don't even go to Southern away games let alone venture back for home matches. Most, if not all, would become 100%ers again were things to change. Sorry mate. I spent time with my little lad on Saturday and looked for the score at half time and full time. Losing interest is something very much worthy of discussion in my opinion. If you don't like it, don't read it. It takes it on to another level when sarcasm is thrown at people who do choose to go though dave. It's been worse than this. much, much worse, I just find all this tearful resignation bollocks a little attention seeking and taking the piss out of those who do choose to go a step to far. How did it go with your pals down in the smoke over the weekend and in the office today. Have they patted you on the head in appreciation of your plucky boys only going down by the one goal to the mighty Gooners? ;D
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 4, 2013 14:34:02 GMT
It takes it on to another level when sarcasm is thrown at people who do choose to go though dave. It's been worse than this. much, much worse, I just find all this tearful resignation bollocks a little attention seeking and taking the piss out of those who do choose to go a step to far. How did it go with your pals down in the smoke over the weekend and in the office today. Have they patted you on the head in appreciation of your plucky boys only going down by the one goal to the mighty Gooners? ;D They correctly observed that the following was in line with the past couple of years and so those poor little martyrs who now go shopping on a Saturday and feel the need to tell everyone why are being replaced by someone.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2013 14:42:38 GMT
Who the fuck would choose to go shopping instead of going to Stoke.
Jesus wept. I would rather watch the very worst TP inspired performance than go fucking shopping.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 4, 2013 17:10:33 GMT
At Newcastle last year, he was late supping his beer in the concourse and following their early goal, knowing what would follow, didn't even make it into the stand. He stayed on the concourse getting pissed.Good lord - that is sad - coming all the way from Brighton, paying that price to get in, climbing up all those steps, and getting pissed in that soulless concrete cavern, and not even seeing the game At least he could have gone to one of the decent boozers nearby ??? Join the happy clappers - it's much more fun ;D
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