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Post by spitthedog on Jan 18, 2013 10:43:18 GMT
I know there are a few threads on the subject of KJ, but with speculation mounting about his departure, has our manager forgot that it is this player which has transformed our season?
The only times we have looked like having goals in our team has been when KJ is on the pitch. I can't think of a player who suits our playing style better. he even makes Walters look a decent player. without him JW is invariably pants. Not only that, the football is much more exciting, and if we had a decent winger he would be even potent.
3 times now we have scored 3 goals in a game while he has been on the pitch. Did we ever look like doing that with Crouch playing?
5 goals and 4 assists in only 9 starts.
It looks to me like KJ is hitting the form of his life, so what is the problem?
I rest my case
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 18, 2013 10:47:11 GMT
He's certainly made us more bearable to watch.
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Post by foster on Jan 18, 2013 11:01:50 GMT
The thing is, if we're offered in excess of 5m then I think the club will accept it.
The problem there is that you won't get better for that money so I would rather keep him and lose him for nothing in 18 months than fork out for someone more expensive and less effective.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 18, 2013 11:14:34 GMT
The thing is, if we're offered in excess of 5m then I think the club will accept it. The problem there is that you won't get better for that money so I would rather keep him and lose him for nothing in 18 months than fork out for someone more expensive and less effective. Exactly, he's worth more than £5m to the team right now. The options are... we spend at least that amount of money for someone who has to learn how to adapt to our very specific and prescribed playing style with no guarantee that they will succeed in doing so. |
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Post by dadofsam on Jan 18, 2013 11:17:23 GMT
I think he wants to go and Pulis wants him to go as well. He doesn't strike me as the "yes sir, no sir" type that Pulis likes then there's the little matter of the massive cash he paid for Crouch to justify.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2013 11:18:26 GMT
The thing is, if we're offered in excess of 5m then I think the club will accept it. The problem there is that you won't get better for that money so I would rather keep him and lose him for nothing in 18 months than fork out for someone more expensive and less effective. Or we could give him a new contract. |
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Post by foster on Jan 18, 2013 11:18:56 GMT
The thing is, if we're offered in excess of 5m then I think the club will accept it. The problem there is that you won't get better for that money so I would rather keep him and lose him for nothing in 18 months than fork out for someone more expensive and less effective. Exactly, he's worth more than £5m to the team right now. The options are... we spend at least that amount of money for someone who has to learn how to adapt to our very specific and prescribed playing style with no guarantee that they will succeed in doing so. What's the 2nd option?  |
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Post by foster on Jan 18, 2013 11:20:23 GMT
The thing is, if we're offered in excess of 5m then I think the club will accept it. The problem there is that you won't get better for that money so I would rather keep him and lose him for nothing in 18 months than fork out for someone more expensive and less effective. Or we could give him a new contract. Makes most sense. But then I expect Crouch may kick up a fuss and become the next Palacios. |
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Post by penkvillepotter on Jan 18, 2013 11:22:21 GMT
Hang on, for all his recent upturn in form and attitude. this is the bloke who has barely tried a leg for 18 months. Like evryone else I'm enjoying this Lazaurslike transformation but fuck me he's been a lazy git.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2013 11:22:42 GMT
Or we could give him a new contract. Makes most sense. But then I expect Crouch may kick up a fuss and become the next Palacios. Indeed, it's Crouch that is the issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 11:24:59 GMT
Hang on, for all his recent upturn in form and attitude. this is the bloke who has barely tried a leg for 18 months. Like evryone else I'm enjoying this Lazaurslike transformation but fuck me he's been a lazy git. How often has he played in that time? And when he played in the Europa he was good and scored goals. |
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Post by foster on Jan 18, 2013 11:26:05 GMT
Makes most sense. But then I expect Crouch may kick up a fuss and become the next Palacios. Indeed, it's Crouch that is the issue. I'd say it's Tone more than Crouch since he's the one that signed him. he should have had more foresight rather than spending 10m (more with Palacios) on him. You can be sure that if Harry signs WP (doubtful anyway) that he won't pay more than 3m. It's hard to put into words just how much we got shafted in that deal. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2013 11:30:48 GMT
Indeed, it's Crouch that is the issue. I'd say it's Tone more than Crouch since he's the one that signed him. he should have had more foresight rather than spending 10m (more with Palacios) on him. You can be sure that if Harry signs WP (doubtful anyway) that he won't pay more than 3m. It's hard to put into words just how much we got shafted in that deal. I've always thought of them as two separate deals, although we bought them both from the same club at the same time. At the time, I thought one was a good deal and one was a poor deal, ultimately it's turned out that they were both poor deals but I don't really think anybody can be blamed for how the Palacios signing turned out ... |
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Post by foster on Jan 18, 2013 11:34:48 GMT
I'd say it's Tone more than Crouch since he's the one that signed him. he should have had more foresight rather than spending 10m (more with Palacios) on him. You can be sure that if Harry signs WP (doubtful anyway) that he won't pay more than 3m. It's hard to put into words just how much we got shafted in that deal. I've always thought of them as two separate deals, although we bought them both from the same club at the same time. At the time, I thought one was a good deal and one was a poor deal, ultimately it's turned out that they were both poor deals but I don't really think anybody can be blamed for how the Palacios signing turned out ... True, I know they were separate and we shouldn't really use the WP deal as a stick to beat Crouch / the Club with. I sincerely hope that Tone finds a way to keep both happy by applying a rotation system rather than playing one until they get injured and then playing the other until they get injured, etc, etc. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2013 11:46:10 GMT
I've always thought of them as two separate deals, although we bought them both from the same club at the same time. At the time, I thought one was a good deal and one was a poor deal, ultimately it's turned out that they were both poor deals but I don't really think anybody can be blamed for how the Palacios signing turned out ... True, I know they were separate and we shouldn't really use the WP deal as a stick to beat Crouch / the Club with. I sincerely hope that Tone finds a way to keep both happy by applying a rotation system rather than playing one until they get injured and then playing the other until they get injured, etc, etc. Who would you rather start tomorrow, Jones or Crouch and then who would you rather start in the cup against Citeh? Walters is 10 times the player he is for us when he linked with Jones and pretty much abysmal whenever he plays with Crouch. |
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Post by foster on Jan 18, 2013 11:50:46 GMT
True, I know they were separate and we shouldn't really use the WP deal as a stick to beat Crouch / the Club with. I sincerely hope that Tone finds a way to keep both happy by applying a rotation system rather than playing one until they get injured and then playing the other until they get injured, etc, etc. Who would you rather start tomorrow, Jones or Crouch and then who would you rather start in the cup against Citeh? Walters is 10 times the player he is for us when he linked with Jones and pretty much abysmal whenever he plays with Crouch. I don't want to get into specifics on which combo performs better as we've done that to death. But more wanted to highlight the fact that Tone plays people to the point that they're fucked before being forced to rotate through injury.....even shit players. When Crouch was having his bad spell why was it only at the time that he got injured that KJ got back in the team? I agree that players should be selected on form, but no one is going to maintain form for as long as Tone seems to persist with them. At some point Walters will get tired, need a rest, and start playing poorly. Will Tone rotate then or wait until his hand is forced? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2013 11:54:47 GMT
Who would you rather start tomorrow, Jones or Crouch and then who would you rather start in the cup against Citeh? Walters is 10 times the player he is for us when he linked with Jones and pretty much abysmal whenever he plays with Crouch. I don't want to get into specifics on which combo performs better as we've done that to death. But more wanted to highlight the fact that Tone plays people to the point that they're fucked before being forced to rotate through injury.....even shit players. When Crouch was having his bad spell why was it only at the time that he got injured that KJ got back in the team? I agree that players should be selected on form, but no one is going to maintain form for as long as Tone seems to persist with them. At some point Walters will get tired, need a rest, and start playing poorly. Will Tone rotate then or wait until his hand is forced? Can't argue with you there mate. |
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Post by apb1 on Jan 18, 2013 11:55:05 GMT
Who would you rather start tomorrow, Jones or Crouch and then who would you rather start in the cup against Citeh? Walters is 10 times the player he is for us when he linked with Jones and pretty much abysmal whenever he plays with Crouch. I don't want to get into specifics on which combo performs better as we've done that to death. But more wanted to highlight the fact that Tone plays people to the point that they're fucked before being forced to rotate through injury.....even shit players. When Crouch was having his bad spell why was it only at the time that he got injured that KJ got back in the team? I agree that players should be selected on form, but no one is going to maintain form for as long as Tone seems to persist with them. At some point Walters will get tired, need a rest, and start playing poorly. Will Tone rotate then or wait until his hand is forced? That point has arrived several times in his astonishing run of games. So, I think you have your answer. I love SJW but rotation should be used with all positions, sometimes you just need a break. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 18, 2013 11:56:27 GMT
Hang on, for all his recent upturn in form and attitude. this is the bloke who has barely tried a leg for 18 months. Like evryone else I'm enjoying this Lazaurslike transformation but fuck me he's been a lazy git. Straight from the rimfinder general handbook, along with, jerome is shit whenever he starts games. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 18, 2013 11:56:39 GMT
Agree foster
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Post by foster on Jan 18, 2013 11:57:27 GMT
I don't want to get into specifics on which combo performs better as we've done that to death. But more wanted to highlight the fact that Tone plays people to the point that they're fucked before being forced to rotate through injury.....even shit players. When Crouch was having his bad spell why was it only at the time that he got injured that KJ got back in the team? I agree that players should be selected on form, but no one is going to maintain form for as long as Tone seems to persist with them. At some point Walters will get tired, need a rest, and start playing poorly. Will Tone rotate then or wait until his hand is forced? Can't argue with you there mate. You're only saying that because it's Friday and you want to go home on time ;D |
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 18, 2013 11:58:15 GMT
Exactly, he's worth more than £5m to the team right now. The options are... we spend at least that amount of money for someone who has to learn how to adapt to our very specific and prescribed playing style with no guarantee that they will succeed in doing so. What's the 2nd option? Him staying, but am starting to think this isn't an option anymore  |
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Post by Gods on Jan 18, 2013 11:58:39 GMT
KJ has done really well but 1 win in the last 8 suggests our season is far from 'transformed'.
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Post by foster on Jan 18, 2013 11:58:45 GMT
Foster in 'gets something right for fucking once' shocker!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 18, 2013 12:00:43 GMT
Foster in 'gets something right for fucking once' shocker! Indeed. For once |
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Post by robboleek on Jan 18, 2013 12:13:39 GMT
While I would not say he has transformed the season he certainly came in from the cold (by accident) and has started scoring at a time when the team looked very lost as to how to put the ball in the opposition's net !!!
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jan 18, 2013 12:17:20 GMT
Fuller and Jones, in some minds, are lazy.
Other things in common: they've been our best strikers since coming into the league, and both have been messed about re contracts and seen lesser players playing regularly.
Scandalous, imho, especially when not/if not replaced by anything like their standard.
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Post by Pirate on Jan 18, 2013 12:25:28 GMT
I think it speaks volumes that with the cash we have spent in the last 2 summer windows & all of the turgid football we have played since the FA cup final season, that when i look at our squad, our best starting front 4 is still Matty, JP, KJ & Super John!
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Post by padders01 on Jan 18, 2013 12:28:14 GMT
Here is a sobering thought!
Crouch would more than likely still be starting up front and Jones on the bench if Crouch had got that whack in the face against Newcastle
Very scary thought!
Pulis's hand was twisted because of the injury.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 18, 2013 12:29:44 GMT
Just who will pay us what we'd accept for Jones? Even if Swansea upped their offer do you honestly see Kenwynne in South Wales? Who else is he seriously linked with? For all of his faults, unless we have a very good replacement in mind he should be going nowhere.
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