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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 16, 2013 0:41:44 GMT
Team v Swansea for me:
Bego Whitehead Huth Shawcross Cameron Walters Nzonzi Whelan Etherington Jones Jerome
Anything other than this front line would be disappointing imo. Time and time again we look at our most dangerous with Jones and Jerome on the pitch together. At the very least its worth a go on Saturday.
Not normally a fan of Walters on the wing but we scored 4 goals whilst he was out there tonight. If it means keeping Kightly away from the team too then it has to be done. He is looking an absolutely hopeless signing.
I like Wilko but hes just isnt good enough to be starting games regularly for us. Whitehead took his chance tonight.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jan 16, 2013 0:43:41 GMT
Problem is:
extra time will give TP the excuse he needs come 4.50pm
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 16, 2013 0:45:22 GMT
Problem is: extra time will give TP the excuse he needs come 4.50pm Even more of a case for starting Jones and Jerome then! Can you imagine if we go back to Adam in the hole with Kightly on the wing?!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2013 0:48:06 GMT
I still don't want Walters on the right and despite his shitness I was all for Kightly playing there and Walters behind KJ. But after tonight Kightly barely deserves to be on the bench.
I'd go
Bego
Wilko Shawcross Huth Cameron
Whitehead Whelan N'Zonzi Ethers
Walters
KJ
Far from ideal but it's what I'd do.
I expect TP will go with Walters on the wing with Adam behind KJ.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 16, 2013 0:50:32 GMT
I still don't want Walters on the right and despite his shitness I was all for Kightly playing there and Walters behind KJ. But after tonight Kightly barely deserves to be on the bench. I'd go Bego Wilko Shawcross Huth Cameron Whitehead Whelan N'Zonzi Ethers Walters KJ Far from ideal but it's what I'd do. I expect TP will go with Walters on the wing with Adam behind KJ. Far too negative that line up imo. We need to change our mentality away from home and start playing with a more positive starting xi.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 16, 2013 0:52:31 GMT
There isn't a chance of him playing Jerome and Jones up front is there? I really don't think that Kenwyne can do the hole thing as well as Walters, it's such a specialised position in a Pulis team. That means Kightly comes into the reckoning so maybe Jerome there? Is it too much to ask for a left back before Saturday?
Bego Wilko Huth Shawcross Cameron (or new lb) Jerome Whelan N'Zonzi Etherington Walters Jones
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2013 0:57:28 GMT
I still don't want Walters on the right and despite his shitness I was all for Kightly playing there and Walters behind KJ. But after tonight Kightly barely deserves to be on the bench. I'd go Bego Wilko Shawcross Huth Cameron Whitehead Whelan N'Zonzi Ethers Walters KJ Far from ideal but it's what I'd do. I expect TP will go with Walters on the wing with Adam behind KJ. Far too negative that line up imo. We need to change our mentality away from home and start playing with a more positive starting xi.[/quote I don't trust Jerome on the wing from the off and he wasn't any great shakes tonight. And up front it has to be Walters and then KJ. So that leaves the right wing spot, Whitehead, Shotton or Kightly. I don't want Walters anywhere near the wing.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 16, 2013 1:04:56 GMT
I still don't want Walters on the right and despite his shitness I was all for Kightly playing there and Walters behind KJ. But after tonight Kightly barely deserves to be on the bench. I'd go Bego Wilko Shawcross Huth Cameron Whitehead Whelan N'Zonzi Ethers Walters KJ Far from ideal but it's what I'd do. I expect TP will go with Walters on the wing with Adam behind KJ. Far too negative that line up imo. We need to change our mentality away from home and start playing with a more positive starting xi.[/quote I don't trust Jerome on the wing from the off and he wasn't any great shakes tonight. And up front it has to be Walters and then KJ. So that leaves the right wing spot, Whitehead, Shotton or Kightly. I don't want Walters anywhere near the wing. You have to compromise with the TP system. The positivity you get from a Jones/Jerome front 2 will compensate for Walters being on the wing. Lets be honest such a system worked pretty well tonight after the subs were made. We've tried the Whitehead/Shotton on the wing nonsense and it doesnt work. Simply because both players arent good enough going forward. Its alright playing Kenwyne Jones and Walters up front but if you have Whitehead on the wing how are you going to create chances. Jerome's pace creates chances. The fact that he has the touch of a rapist at times is irrelevant if he creates opportunities for the team...which he always does.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2013 1:08:36 GMT
I don't think it would. And it worked because Holloway fucked it up and gave our players more time and space than they've had since they went on a year long trip to The Sahara!
It doesn't work but it won't comprimise us defensively like Kightly, Walters and Jerome would. And both offer something going forward occasionally.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 16, 2013 1:10:46 GMT
I don't think it would. And it worked because Holloway fucked it up and gave our players more time and space than they've had since they went on a year long trip to The Sahara! It doesn't work but it won't comprimise us defensively like Kightly, Walters and Jerome would. And both offer something going forward occasionally. Will certainly be interesting to see what he opts for. Would be hard to leave anyone who finished tonight out imo.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2013 1:30:09 GMT
Bego Whitehead Huth Shawcross Cameron Walters Nzonzi Whelan Etherington Jones Jerome Anything other than this line up would be disappointing imo. Time and time again we look at our most dangerous with Jones and Jerome on the pitch together. At the very least its worth a go on Saturday. Not normally a fan of Walters on the wing but we scored 4 goals whilst he was out there tonight. If it means keeping Kightly away from the team too then it has to be done. He is looking an absolutely hopeless signing. I like Wilko but hes just isnt good enough to be starting games regularly for us. Whitehead took his chance tonight. I wouldn't mind Jerome coming on later in the game and Jones dropping back into the hole then Rossi but I really do think it has to be Walters and Jones to start up top - it's a proper partnership, one which we know works. If after a run of games of switching to the Jones/Jerome thing later in games and seeing that work too, then yep maybe go for it then as a starting option. There's no reason, why it can't work, as we've seen that Jones can work playing behind Fuller in the past but for now both Jones and Walters are in form, so need to break them up. I understand why you want to see out and out pace up top and it's pretty much vital in our system but Kenwyne has got (just) enough pace and movement to carry it through. As for the right wing, we simply have to get somebody (Redmond?) in before the window shuts. It would be complete folly to sell either Jones or Jerome at this stage for sure.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 16, 2013 1:33:08 GMT
Bego Whitehead Huth Shawcross Cameron Walters Nzonzi Whelan Etherington Jones Jerome Anything other than this line up would be disappointing imo. Time and time again we look at our most dangerous with Jones and Jerome on the pitch together. At the very least its worth a go on Saturday. Not normally a fan of Walters on the wing but we scored 4 goals whilst he was out there tonight. If it means keeping Kightly away from the team too then it has to be done. He is looking an absolutely hopeless signing. I like Wilko but hes just isnt good enough to be starting games regularly for us. Whitehead took his chance tonight. I wouldn't mind Jerome coming on later in the game and Jones dropping back into the hole then Rossi but I really do think it has to be Walters and Jones to start up top - it's a proper partnership, one which we know works. If after a run of games of switching to the Jones/Jerome thing later in games and seeing that work too, then yep maybe go for it then as a starting option. There's no reason, why it can't work, as we've seen that Jones can work playing behind Fuller in the past but for now both Jones and Walters are in form, so need to break them up. I understand why you want to see out and out pace up top and it's pretty much vital in our system but Kenwyne has got (just) enough pace and movement to carry it through. As for the right wing, we simply have to get somebody (Redmond?) in before the window shuts. It would be complete folly to sell either Jones or Jerome at this stage for sure. Thing is though Paul, if we go for Walters up top who do we put on the wing? Kightly is hopeless. Either he is hopeless or his confidence is absolutely shot to pieces. Whichever one it is, he cant start in the league for me at this stage of the season (when we need to be picking up points away from home). Agree Redmond would be an awesome addition.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2013 1:34:41 GMT
I wouldn't mind Jerome coming on later in the game and Jones dropping back into the hole then Rossi but I really do think it has to be Walters and Jones to start up top - it's a proper partnership, one which we know works. If after a run of games of switching to the Jones/Jerome thing later in games and seeing that work too, then yep maybe go for it then as a starting option. There's no reason, why it can't work, as we've seen that Jones can work playing behind Fuller in the past but for now both Jones and Walters are in form, so need to break them up. I understand why you want to see out and out pace up top and it's pretty much vital in our system but Kenwyne has got (just) enough pace and movement to carry it through. As for the right wing, we simply have to get somebody (Redmond?) in before the window shuts. It would be complete folly to sell either Jones or Jerome at this stage for sure. Thing is though Paul, if we go for Walters up top who do we put on the wing? Kightly is hopeless. Either he is hopeless or his confidence is absolutely shot to pieces. Whichever one it is, he cant start in the league for me at this stage of the season (when we need to be picking up points away from home). Agree Redmond would be an awesome addition. As I said, TP should be pulling out all the stops to get somebody like Redmond or Ince in in this window, as well as a left back of course. Not that it's going to happen mind because we've still got to play Adam somewhere.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 16, 2013 1:36:35 GMT
One of the other reasons i'm so keen to see Jones/Jerome given a go Paul is the way that whenever these 2 play together, there seems to be a natural chemistry...we hoof it up and from every hoof one feels that we could create a chance from a Jones flick on (due to Jerome's pace). Dont get me wrong Jones/Walters works...but would just like to see this given a go on Saturday. Its something we've never tried before and we are always pretty woeful away from home so worth a go I reckon. Cue Adam in the hole behind Crouch
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Jan 17, 2013 14:05:00 GMT
My Team - Bego // Wilko Ryan Huth Cameron // Pennant (any chance of this if he is back???) Whelan N'Zonzi Matty // Walters KJ
Tony's team - Bego // Wilko Ryan Huth Cameron // Walters N'Zonzi Whelan Matty // Adam KJ
Edit - Tony says Pennant is back but wont play any part on Saturday
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 17, 2013 14:18:47 GMT
Match them up..
Bego Shotton Shawcross Huth Cameron Whelan N'Zonzi Adam Walters Jones Jerome
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 17, 2013 15:12:14 GMT
Match them up.. Bego Shotton Shawcross Huth Cameron Whelan N'Zonzi Adam Walters Jones Jerome Would be very happy with this. Cant see it happening mind
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jan 17, 2013 15:38:01 GMT
Swansea will play it out from the back there's no doubt about that, hence why Walters need ti play centrally so he can distribute himself more evenly and push higher up the pitch without leaving his full back exposed. Wilko has to play right back or not at all as he's more right footed then David Beckham. Begovic
Wilkinson Huth Shawcross Cameron
Kightly Whelan N'Zonzi Etherington
Walters Jones Bench: Sorensen, Upson, Shotton, Whitehead, Adam, Crouch, Jerome
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 17, 2013 15:45:46 GMT
Swansea will play it out from the back there's no doubt about that, hence why Walters need ti play centrally so he can distribute himself more evenly and push higher up the pitch without leaving his full back exposed. Wilko has to play right back or not at all as he's more right footed then David Beckham. Begovic
Wilkinson Huth Shawcross Cameron
Kightly Whelan N'Zonzi Etherington
Walters Jones Bench: Sorensen, Upson, Shotton, Whitehead, Adam, Crouch, Jerome Kightly should be nowhere near the starting xi.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jan 17, 2013 16:04:34 GMT
Swansea will play it out from the back there's no doubt about that, hence why Walters need ti play centrally so he can distribute himself more evenly and push higher up the pitch without leaving his full back exposed. Wilko has to play right back or not at all as he's more right footed then David Beckham. Begovic
Wilkinson Huth Shawcross Cameron
Kightly Whelan N'Zonzi Etherington
Walters Jones Bench: Sorensen, Upson, Shotton, Whitehead, Adam, Crouch, Jerome Kightly should be nowhere near the starting xi. Walters HAS to play upfront whatever way you look at it and I'd say we need to play 4-4-2. I don't think Jerome would work on the wing.
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Post by stokeyank on Jan 17, 2013 16:05:21 GMT
Kightly should be nowhere near the starting xi. Agreed but what better option is there. I can't say putting Walters out wide to compensate would be better since that likely means Adam being back at his useless spot.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 17, 2013 16:06:42 GMT
Kightly should be nowhere near the starting xi. Agreed but what better option is there. I can't say putting Walters out wide to compensate would be better since that likely means Adam being back at his useless spot. Walters and Jerome would offer something out there. Something is better than nothing. Shotton would offer more than Kightly.
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Post by stokeyank on Jan 17, 2013 16:15:58 GMT
Agreed but what better option is there. I can't say putting Walters out wide to compensate would be better since that likely means Adam being back at his useless spot. Walters and Jerome would offer something out there. Something is better than nothing. Shotton would offer more than Kightly. I do like Shotton there better, this is true. Kighly has given us nothing recently, and maybe less than that. Shotton at least gives some pace outside.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 17, 2013 16:55:53 GMT
Walters and Jerome would offer something out there. Something is better than nothing. Shotton would offer more than Kightly. I do like Shotton there better, this is true. Kighly has given us nothing recently, and maybe less than that. Shotton at least gives some pace outside. Indeed. Will be interesting to see what he opts for on Saturday for sure.
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Post by barmystokie1 on Jan 17, 2013 17:53:31 GMT
Lets hope its a better performance than last time we were there, which was horrendous after a bad tackle from Ryan gave them a needless penalty early on. Hopefully Ryan doesn't want to concede 4 pens in 3 games ;P
I will be happy with a draw and a decent performance.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 17, 2013 18:05:13 GMT
Wilko is injured with back problem so may not play.
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Post by stockportstokie on Jan 17, 2013 19:51:39 GMT
It's a prime game for Walters to be played on the wing not centrally. I've yet to see Swansea not struggle when the opposition press, harry and bully their full backs. It leave em with nowhere to pass except for straight and narrow, perfect for us as there's no way their beating us through the middle, far too strong.
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 17, 2013 22:50:24 GMT
Bego
Whitehead Ryan (no penos Saturday please!) Huth Cameron
Ethers N'Zonzi Whelan Walters
Jones Jerome
winner winner chicken dinner ;D ;D
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 18, 2013 0:40:53 GMT
Unsoiled sheet
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Post by Binndy on Jan 18, 2013 14:17:02 GMT
Bego Deano Huth Ryan cameron Walters whelan Adam nzonzi matty crouch
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