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Post by stokecitydom on Jan 12, 2013 19:30:07 GMT
I think our set piece delvery has been pretty poor this season. Considering how little attacking ability we actually possess, we need to make the most of them.
Usually they are a big part of our game, but we haven't done much from them this season.
I can't recall Charlie Adam taking too many. A few years back Ferguson said his corner taking ability was worth £10 million.
One other thing about our free kicks that puzzles me. I would love to see a few in swinging free kicks. Ones that if everyone misses the ball, they can still be on target and cause the keeper problems.
We are in January and neither Huth or Shawcross have scored yet. Which is quite surprising considering our previous potency from set pieces.
I know it's not really related to today's game, but something to think about.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 12, 2013 22:20:03 GMT
Pity Pennant has burned his bridges. We have missed his crosses and corner kicks.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 12, 2013 22:34:46 GMT
I think our set piece delvery has been pretty poor this season. Considering how little attacking ability we actually possess, we need to make the most of them. Usually they are a big part of our game, but we haven't done much from them this season. I can't recall Charlie Adam taking too many. A few years back Ferguson said his corner taking ability was worth £10 million. One other thing about our free kicks that puzzles me. I would love to see a few in swinging free kicks. Ones that if everyone misses the ball, they can still be on target and cause the keeper problems. We are in January and neither Huth or Shawcross have scored yet. Which is quite surprising considering our previous potency from set pieces. I know it's not really related to today's game, but something to think about. Good post and well worth a discussion Adam took a number of the set pieces in the second half at Palace and they were equally as shocking ! Pennant also won his fair share too - massive loss IMHO and whilst the manager fiddles whilst Rome burns it remains a statistic to be very disappointed about. Te sad truth is that we have lost a quality player in Pennant and signed the hapless Kightly and hopeless Adam and taken a step back in this area of our game.
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Post by blackpoolstokie on Jan 12, 2013 22:42:30 GMT
no pennant! thats why, plus we have charlie adam and he never takes the set-pieces!
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Post by stantheman on Jan 12, 2013 22:43:15 GMT
I would also like to see the odd long throw into the opponents box.
Jeff Cameron can launch them, so why not try it now and again?
When you think back to the goals tht Huth, Shawcross & KJ used to score from throws, it seems a long time ago
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 12, 2013 23:16:03 GMT
I would also like to see the odd long throw into the opponents box. Jeff Cameron can launch them, so why not try it now and again? When you think back to the goals tht Huth, Shawcross & KJ used to score from throws, it seems a long time ago We've lost the Rory pressure and havent created an alternative
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Post by salopstick on Jan 12, 2013 23:25:11 GMT
Charlie Adam does not take enough corners.
They are worth £10m
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Post by jarhead on Jan 13, 2013 1:36:20 GMT
I say this every week that we should put in-swinging free kicks at EVERY opportunity especially when our only threat is off set pieces because if that ball is whipped in towards goal then nobody has to touch it and the ball goes into the net or a defender puts it in. So many times we out-swing crosses into the box and if everybody does miss it then guess what the ball goes out of play,what is the fuckin point of that?
We have the worst crossers of a ball taking them aswell in Whelan and Ethers,IF Adam does start then he should take every corner and set piece if its in-swinging because he has the ability and we will get goals. Remember Man Utd away the Rooney own-goal...i rest my case.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2013 1:41:24 GMT
Adam's corners that he has taken for us have been woeful.
We definitely miss Pennant in this respect.
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Post by vinecent on Jan 13, 2013 1:41:56 GMT
Cameron's crosses are simply atrocious.
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Post by StokeOnTour on Jan 13, 2013 1:43:02 GMT
pennants corners struggled to get past the front psot
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Post by onionman on Jan 13, 2013 1:44:33 GMT
Ferguson only said that about Adam's set pieces to drive up Adam's price and piss off Liverpool who were trying to buy him on the cheap.
He's always been an erratic crosser from what I've seen of him.
Anyway, regardless of who's taking them, Crouch seems our only player capable of scoring regularly from set pieces in the past couple of years. Huth keeps missing the kind of chances he used to score, and Shawcross never seems to get any chances these days. Weird
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Post by stokecitydom on Jan 13, 2013 11:53:35 GMT
Ferguson only said that about Adam's set pieces to drive up Adam's price and piss off Liverpool who were trying to buy him on the cheap. He's always been an erratic crosser from what I've seen of him. Anyway, regardless of who's taking them, Crouch seems our only player capable of scoring regularly from set pieces in the past couple of years. Huth keeps missing the kind of chances he used to score, and Shawcross never seems to get any chances these days. Weird I thought that Blackpool scored quite a few from set pieces when Adam was taking them. That's how I remember it anyway, so he obviously has the ability to take them. The amount of times we take a corner & it for straight to the keeper. Something we need to resolve.
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Post by stokecitydom on Jan 13, 2013 11:58:49 GMT
I say this every week that we should put in-swinging free kicks at EVERY opportunity especially when our only threat is off set pieces because if that ball is whipped in towards goal then nobody has to touch it and the ball goes into the net or a defender puts it in. So many times we out-swing crosses into the box and if everybody does miss it then guess what the ball goes out of play,what is the fuckin point of that? We have the worst crossers of a ball taking them aswell in Whelan and Ethers,IF Adam does start then he should take every corner and set piece if its in-swinging because he has the ability and we will get goals. Remember Man Utd away the Rooney own-goal...i rest my case. I really cannot get my head around the lack of in swinging set pieces. Surely it must have been suggested that it works. Who is in charge of set piece work on the training ground? As they need to look at the penalties too. For me it's simple stuff that could make a huge impact in a game.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 13, 2013 12:07:10 GMT
I say this every week that we should put in-swinging free kicks at EVERY opportunity especially when our only threat is off set pieces because if that ball is whipped in towards goal then nobody has to touch it and the ball goes into the net or a defender puts it in. So many times we out-swing crosses into the box and if everybody does miss it then guess what the ball goes out of play,what is the fuckin point of that? We have the worst crossers of a ball taking them aswell in Whelan and Ethers,IF Adam does start then he should take every corner and set piece if its in-swinging because he has the ability and we will get goals. Remember Man Utd away the Rooney own-goal...i rest my case. I really cannot get my head around the lack of in swinging set pieces. Surely it must have been suggested that it works. Who is in charge of set piece work on the training ground? As they need to look at the penalties too. For me it's simple stuff that could make a huge impact in a game. Remember Sunderland at home a couple of seasons ago when we won 3-2. Pennant won the set pieces and delivered the free kicks that won that match. The lad is a different class than Kightly but I guess Kightly is a 'smashing kiddie'
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Post by stokecitydom on Jan 13, 2013 12:14:58 GMT
I really cannot get my head around the lack of in swinging set pieces. Surely it must have been suggested that it works. Who is in charge of set piece work on the training ground? As they need to look at the penalties too. For me it's simple stuff that could make a huge impact in a game. Remember Sunderland at home a couple of seasons ago when we won 3-2. Pennant won the set pieces and delivered the free kicks that won that match. The lad is a different class than Kightly but I guess Kightly is a 'smashing kiddie' There's no point in pining for Pennant. He's finished at this club. He hasn't played consistently for a year. The manager needs to put personal differences to one side for the good of the team/fans, atleast until we sign an adequate replacement.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 13, 2013 20:27:24 GMT
I say this every week that we should put in-swinging free kicks at EVERY opportunity especially when our only threat is off set pieces because if that ball is whipped in towards goal then nobody has to touch it and the ball goes into the net or a defender puts it in. So many times we out-swing crosses into the box and if everybody does miss it then guess what the ball goes out of play,what is the fuckin point of that? We have the worst crossers of a ball taking them aswell in Whelan and Ethers,IF Adam does start then he should take every corner and set piece if its in-swinging because he has the ability and we will get goals. Remember Man Utd away the Rooney own-goal...i rest my case. I really cannot get my head around the lack of in swinging set pieces. Surely it must have been suggested that it works. Who is in charge of set piece work on the training ground? As they need to look at the penalties too. For me it's simple stuff that could make a huge impact in a game. I don't get it either when we really can benefit massively in this department. Adam needs to be on the set pieces more often because he only has one or two in a game and he needs to find his range first like anybody....but thats only if he's picked centrally because if he is picked for the 2nd striker bollox which does not work then don't play him at all thanks. Those who went wigan saw what he can do from central midfield because he really did change the game that day.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 13, 2013 20:29:05 GMT
I really cannot get my head around the lack of in swinging set pieces. Surely it must have been suggested that it works. Who is in charge of set piece work on the training ground? As they need to look at the penalties too. For me it's simple stuff that could make a huge impact in a game. Remember Sunderland at home a couple of seasons ago when we won 3-2. Pennant won the set pieces and delivered the free kicks that won that match. The lad is a different class than Kightly but I guess Kightly is a 'smashing kiddie' I do remember and the Huth winner was from an in-swinging cross where the keeper/defenders had no chance,since then we have gone to out-swinging crosses,christ knows why.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 13, 2013 20:34:12 GMT
At least we scored a couple from set pieces yesterday!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 20:41:01 GMT
It has reflected in our goals output. Huth and Shawcross have 0 and Upson has 1.
Poor.
Also poor is our goals output from midfield:
Kightly 2 Whelan 0 N'Zonzi 0 Etherington 0
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Post by jarhead on Jan 13, 2013 20:56:10 GMT
We don't play to create and score we are set up to stop and spoil and hope to nick one because pulis loves 0-0.
Sad but true.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 14, 2013 6:05:08 GMT
Service into the box has been piss poor all season.
Cameron has done surprisingly well at the back out of position as did Wilson before his injury but neither seem capable of putting a decent ball in.
Ethers hasn't been right since the FA Cup year, he seems incapable of bursting past his man as before & Pennants replacement Kightly, always looks to come inside rather than take his man on.
In terms of the set pieces, I think Shawcross & Huth are far better attacking the ball on the edge of the 6 yard box rather than hassling the keeper where Shawcross definitely seems to be spending most of his time.
Shotton & Wilko's crosses aren't even worth a mention. Fucking useless the pair of em.
If he buys anyone this window I hope it's an out & out winger with pace to burn & a decent cross. The only way we'll find this player at right money is from overseas, the lower leagues or another dogs home candidate like Pennant. At the moment, I can't think of anyone who fits the bill ???
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 6:33:29 GMT
I think Cameron's crossing is improving. He put in a few pearlers against Liverpool ( a few duffers as well...) and the one chance we created in the first half on Saturday came from an absolute peach of a ball in from him.
At the start of the season nearly every cross he put in was garbage.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jan 14, 2013 7:19:21 GMT
Without Pennant and Fuller in particular,we are struggling to win sufficient set-pieces let alone get right their subsequent delivery into the penalty area.Apart from (i think) the Fulham game Adam's delivery of corners has been woeful.I was really hoping we'd be able to fully exploit Adam's ability from direct free kicks around the box,but again without the two aforementioned players and Ether's manifest unwillingness to commit defenders,we dont seem to win too many of these either.
Huth,if memory serves me,has missed a few fairly routine chances from corners which last season he would have buried?
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Post by harryh157 on Jan 14, 2013 7:31:00 GMT
For me JPs set piece delivery has been as poor as his overall game this season. If he can recapture his previous form then yes we need him but I certainly don't pine for the pale shadow of his previous self that is the current player. If he stays (and I don't think he will) and he recaptures his previous form on the training pitch then TP will give him a game off the bench and then it's up to him to take his chance
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Post by j3st3r on Jan 14, 2013 8:17:50 GMT
Got to be worth a run out against Palace... even if its to rest others...
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Post by gyr on Jan 14, 2013 8:31:39 GMT
We should do away with the free kick which we deliver to the right corner, for some one to head back across. It always happens in the first half, always the same corner and always the same out come, absolute shit set piece.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 14, 2013 12:43:07 GMT
We rarely score from corners and haven't done for some time.
Huth and Shawcross should shoulder some of the blame for this as they aren't chipping in with enough goals.
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Post by RF10 on Jan 14, 2013 13:08:00 GMT
Step forward Mr Beckham.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 14, 2013 19:26:16 GMT
We should do away with the free kick which we deliver to the right corner, for some one to head back across. It always happens in the first half, always the same corner and always the same out come, absolute shit set piece. That is the most ridiculous free kick we use and i don't get it and it never works either. What the fuck do they work on in training for christ sake.
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