|
Post by rambo61 on Jan 11, 2013 18:39:23 GMT
I would swap managers with Swansea right now if it were possible. ??? ??? ??? Says it all!!
|
|
|
Post by billybigballs on Jan 11, 2013 18:56:27 GMT
I would swap managers with Swansea right now if it were possible. you could always fuck off down Swansea. Please
|
|
|
Post by jarhead on Jan 11, 2013 19:15:10 GMT
Tony does not think that it would be right and proper for us to beat the "big" clubs. West Ham, QPR and Swansea have all beaten Chelsea in the past 5 weeks - we are at least on a par with these clubs, and should go all out to stuff this lot tomorrow. You all know that TP will not allow that to happen, and will tell us that we can't compete, and look at how much they have spent etc.etc. Anyone can lose a game, but it takes ambition against the better clubs, to win. Come on Tone, go for it. correct. Pugs spot on by the way.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Jan 11, 2013 19:36:08 GMT
Lost 2-0 to us at the Brit, are on the same points and have only bettered our goal difference by 4 even with that wonderfluke signing Michu Not to mention taken his team to the brink of a cup final. I like how you call the Michu signing a 'wonderfluke'. No doubt had TP managed it it would have been a masterstroke. Plus explain why other clubs were offered Michu and didn't take a look at him? Considering Laudrup is a respected name in European football, with a knowledge of the Spanish game and healthy contact book, it would have been stranger if he hadn't signed some bargains from that league. No flukes involved, just good foresight.
|
|
|
Post by billybigballs on Jan 11, 2013 19:51:42 GMT
This time last year Pardew was god for the anti-Pulis brigade. I wonder who it will be next season?
|
|
|
Post by swampmongrel on Jan 11, 2013 19:57:36 GMT
This time last year Pardew was god for the anti-Pulis brigade. I wonder who it will be next season? Mike Newell.
|
|
|
Post by beatlestokie on Jan 11, 2013 20:01:22 GMT
Try this stat, at the end of the season when a big club are looking for a manager, unlike Pulis Laudrup will show no loyalty to the club and leave and Swansea will be in the shit.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2013 20:02:19 GMT
Try this stat, at the end of the season when a big club are looking for a manager, unlike Pulis Laudrup will show no loyalty to the club and leave and Swansea will be in the shit. Has TP ever been approached by a bigger club?
|
|
|
Post by mattface on Jan 11, 2013 20:11:34 GMT
And Swansea are still the worst team to play at the Brit this season
|
|
|
Post by wuzza on Jan 11, 2013 20:12:12 GMT
Oh gawd not again ! We are back in Owen Coyle, Phil Brown etc etc territory. All brilliant managers when compared to poor old Tone ............until time proves otherwise.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2013 20:25:20 GMT
Coyle suckered more than some Stoke fans in, a master in disguising his uselessness.
|
|
|
Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 11, 2013 20:36:02 GMT
I find it absolutely mental when someone says they would prefer Laudrup over Pulis.
Is he high profile - YES Is he a good manager - YES Does he play nice football - YES
Will he be long at Swansea? - NO
Love him or loathe him, one of the weird things about Pulis is that because of his style of football and generally low profile, no-one will EVER try to take him from us.
Laudrup on the other hand will surely be using Swansea as a platform to a bigger club, leaving the Welsh in the shit in about 18 months time.
The reason for our longevity in the Premier League is because we dont have a career chasing Owen Coyle type manager who sees lickle old Stoke as a platform but as the pinnacle of his managerial career.
Seriously some of you guys should think before you type meaningless bullshit on this messageboard
|
|
|
Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 11, 2013 20:39:59 GMT
And just to add I do wish TP would play nicer football and be more attacking against the bigboys. But if TP was the new Guardiola he would be in slightly more demand than he is now outside of the Coates Bet365 family.
Its been an ironically nice coincidence that Stoke has a successful manager that plays ugly football meaning we can keep him for as long as we like and build the legacy for as long as he is here.
The day he starts playing it pretty and starts getting respect from the other media football whores is the day we should start to worry
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2013 20:44:46 GMT
I find it absolutely mental when someone says they would prefer Laudrup over Pulis. Is he high profile - YES Is he a good manager - YES Does he play nice football - YES Will he be long at Swansea? - NO Love him or loathe him, one of the weird things about Pulis is that because of his style of football and generally low profile, no-one will EVER try to take him from us. Laudrup on the other hand will surely be using Swansea as a platform to a bigger club, leaving the Welsh in the shit in about 18 months time. The reason for our longevity in the Premier League is because we dont have a career chasing Owen Coyle type manager who sees lickle old Stoke as a platform but as the pinnacle of his managerial career. Seriously some of you guys should think before you type meaningless bullshit on this messageboard Leaving them in the shit, maybe, maybe not. Swansea in the past 5 years have had 4 managers and the only one not to have done anything there is Paolo Sosa but he wasn't a disaster. And usually with a turnaround in managers like that You'd think they would go backwards but they've had 2 promotions in those 5 years. And I think it's down to the model of football they've adopted. If You can get a man who will stick to those basic principles, You can parachute him and he'll carry on regardless. Maybe the man after Laudrup will be a dud, no one really knows but I think their managerial history over the past 5 years suggest they can make it work.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 20:49:02 GMT
I would swap managers with Swansea right now if it were possible. you could always fuck off down Swansea. Please If we had a manager who actually tried to win away games I would be down there in just over a weeks time
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Jan 11, 2013 20:49:23 GMT
And just to add I do wish TP would play nicer football and be more attacking against the bigboys. But if TP was the new Guardiola he would be in slightly more demand than he is now outside of the Coates Bet365 family. Its been an ironically nice coincidence that Stoke has a successful manager that plays ugly football meaning we can keep him for as long as we like and build the legacy for as long as he is here. The day he starts playing it pretty and starts getting respect from the other media football whores is the day we should start to worry Swansea seem to improve with each managerial appointment, so Laudrup leaving would hardly leave them in the shit. If he does leave, he could leave them with a League Cup win. In a matter of months, Laudrup could potentially outdo Pulis' acheivements in years of managerial experience in English football.
|
|
|
Post by billybigballs on Jan 11, 2013 20:53:43 GMT
And just to add I do wish TP would play nicer football and be more attacking against the bigboys. But if TP was the new Guardiola he would be in slightly more demand than he is now outside of the Coates Bet365 family. Its been an ironically nice coincidence that Stoke has a successful manager that plays ugly football meaning we can keep him for as long as we like and build the legacy for as long as he is here. The day he starts playing it pretty and starts getting respect from the other media football whores is the day we should start to worry Swansea seem to improve with each managerial appointment, so Laudrup leaving would hardly leave them in the shit. In a matter of months, Laudrup could potentially outdo Pulis' acheivements in years of managerial experience in English football. how? By winning the league cup? Alex Mcleish has done that. Pulis' achievements have been long term and our future looks very safe. Swansea have made some good appointments whenever they have lost a manager, but how long can they keep doing that? Personally i prefer to look beyond the end of this season, which is harder for Swansea fans to do.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2013 21:01:35 GMT
Swansea seem to improve with each managerial appointment, so Laudrup leaving would hardly leave them in the shit. In a matter of months, Laudrup could potentially outdo Pulis' acheivements in years of managerial experience in English football. how? By winning the league cup? Alex Mcleish has done that. Pulis' achievements have been long term and our future looks very safe. Swansea have made some good appointments whenever they have lost a manager, but how long can they keep doing that? Personally i prefer to look beyond the end of this season, which is harder for Swansea fans to do. It probably is slightly harder but I can't imagine it being a wrench. I don't who their owner is but whoever it is seems very sensible and have a decent eye for a manger. And it is made easier by using the model they do. Now they might be a bit buggered if they lost Michu but I thought that when they lost Sigurdsson.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Jan 11, 2013 21:13:48 GMT
you could always fuck off down Swansea. Please If we had a manager who actually tried to win away games I would be down there in just over a weeks time Billybigballs, bowled and caught by sidlittlesballbag
|
|
|
Post by swampmongrel on Jan 11, 2013 21:19:52 GMT
I know we often get unfavourably compared to them in the press but I don't really get why Swansea are discussed so much on here.
They're a smallish club that have done phenomenally well over the past few seasons. They play a different style of football and been successful with it because it suits the squad of players they've put together. Laudrup has made a couple of spectacular signings and have them playing a tiny bit more direct and they're doing well.
I personally suspect we'll end the season with more points than them but they'll have still had a very good season and should be congratulated for that.
Is Laudrup a better manager than Pulis?
Possibly, but it's far to early to tell and, as discussed above, there have been plenty of other managers who have been lauded as the next big thing all of whom will never come close to eclipsing Pulis's achievements at Stoke.
For what it's worth I hope Laudrup stays at Swansea and continues to do well. He seems like a decent enough bloke.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Jan 11, 2013 21:20:42 GMT
Swansea seem to improve with each managerial appointment, so Laudrup leaving would hardly leave them in the shit. In a matter of months, Laudrup could potentially outdo Pulis' acheivements in years of managerial experience in English football. how? By winning the league cup? Alex Mcleish has done that. Pulis' achievements have been long term and our future looks very safe. Swansea have made some good appointments whenever they have lost a manager, but how long can they keep doing that? Personally i prefer to look beyond the end of this season, which is harder for Swansea fans to do. Safe's good, I'm not knocking safe. I'd say Pulis is very safe. Almost beige. But considering we're pretty 'safe', it'd be nice to see us being more positive in some away games where the opposition isn't really all that. Like Villa.
|
|
|
Post by foxysgloves on Jan 11, 2013 21:53:18 GMT
Try this stat, at the end of the season when a big club are looking for a manager, unlike Pulis Laudrup will show no loyalty to the club and leave and Swansea will be in the shit. Has TP ever been approached by a bigger club? The acid test. Brendan Rodgers was......so he's clearly a great manager.
|
|
|
Post by parttimelurker on Jan 11, 2013 21:56:52 GMT
Maybe we should compare Pulis with Pardew as was being done last season instead?
Laudrup does seem a decent manager though although we need to see what he's made of when they go on a bad run.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2013 21:57:38 GMT
Has TP ever been approached by a bigger club? The acid test. Brendan Rodgers was......so he's clearly a great manager. I'm surprised no one has got arsey over that one before You foxy!
|
|
|
Post by Davef on Jan 11, 2013 22:11:19 GMT
Try this stat, at the end of the season when a big club are looking for a manager, unlike Pulis Laudrup will show no loyalty to the club and leave and Swansea will be in the shit. Well when Kenny Jackett left after leading them from League 2 to League 1 in 2007 they didn't end up in the shit. In fact they appointed Roberto Martinez who won the League 1 title in his first season. When Martinez left them in 2009 having left them just outside the play offs in the Championship they didn't end up in the shit. Paulo Sousa did similar, missing out on the play offs by just a point. When he left they didn't end up in the shit after appointing Brendan Rodgers who led them to promotion to the Premier League and they're not really in any kind of shit now that he's left and Michael Laudrup has taken over. What makes you think it would be any different if and when Laudrup leaves? Swansea have either got very lucky over the years, or have a board of directors who seem to know what they're doing when it comes to appointing managers. I suspect it's more the latter than the former.
|
|
|
Post by kylelightbourne on Jan 11, 2013 22:21:22 GMT
Tony does not think that it would be right and proper for us to beat the "big" clubs. West Ham, QPR and Swansea have all beaten Chelsea in the past 5 weeks - we are at least on a par with these clubs, and should go all out to stuff this lot tomorrow. You all know that TP will not allow that to happen, and will tell us that we can't compete, and look at how much they have spent etc.etc. Anyone can lose a game, but it takes ambition against the better clubs, to win. Come on Tone, go for it. I'm afraid that the above is fundamentally flawed by the fact that we regularly do well against the bigger teams And do you seriously thing that because West Ham, Swansea and QPR have beat Chelsea that all teams of their size should? And to suggest that Pulis will actively go out to make sure that we don't win just confirms the posts stupidity and possibly yours
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Jan 11, 2013 22:46:25 GMT
Has TP ever been approached by a bigger club? The acid test. Brendan Rodgers was......so he's clearly a great manager. It's amazing isn't it? Rodgers after getting Swansea promoted and keeping them up easily (where did they finish?!?!) despite spending very little is head hunted by one of the worlds largest clubs. We have TP, who has done a 'great' job to keep Stoke in the PL, but no one else would touch him. It's a funny old game. Like it or not, Pulis is a footballing pariah.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Jan 11, 2013 23:08:55 GMT
Maybe we should compare Pulis with Pardew as was being done last season instead? Laudrup does seem a decent manager though although we need to see what he's made of when they go on a bad run. Swansea had a bad run earlier on, they were hammered at home by Everton and then we did a number on them just after. They bounced back well enough.
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 11, 2013 23:35:09 GMT
Lost 2-0 to us at the Brit, are on the same points and have only bettered our goal difference by 4 even with that wonderfluke signing Michu Not to mention taken his team to the brink of a cup final. I like how you call the Michu signing a 'wonderfluke'. No doubt had TP managed it it would have been a masterstroke. Plus explain why other clubs were offered Michu and didn't take a look at him? Considering Laudrup is a respected name in European football, with a knowledge of the Spanish game and healthy contact book, it would have been stranger if he hadn't signed some bargains from that league. No flukes involved, just good foresight. Pulis took us to the final of a bigger competition............
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Jan 11, 2013 23:42:01 GMT
Not to mention taken his team to the brink of a cup final. I like how you call the Michu signing a 'wonderfluke'. No doubt had TP managed it it would have been a masterstroke. Plus explain why other clubs were offered Michu and didn't take a look at him? Considering Laudrup is a respected name in European football, with a knowledge of the Spanish game and healthy contact book, it would have been stranger if he hadn't signed some bargains from that league. No flukes involved, just good foresight. Pulis took us to the final of a bigger competition............ There's no such such thing as 'bigger competitions' for clubs like Stoke and Swansea. Both should have the same status.
|
|