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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 27, 2012 23:52:43 GMT
I can't make my mind up on this one.
The jury's been pretty much out on him this season. He's produced some good things but a bit like Jerome, despite him doing a few decent things, you can't shake the nagging feeling that he isn't very good. He got a very decent assist against West Brom but I felt that last night he was the weakest player on display in our side. He put in a decent shift, but he got lost a few times defensively and with the ball just ran into blind alleys or just plain ran the ball out of play. He's like this most of the time he's on the pitch.
However, having said that, I can see a pretty clear argument for keeping him in the side against Southampton. Going with two wingers from the start is a positive move in a game we should be aiming to win, for one. I think there's also quite a lot to be said for the fact that our performance last night was down in no small part to having our four offensive players in their natural positions. I think the biggest factor was probably the Walters/Jones partnership, but perhaps there's some merit in keeping Kightly in the side purely because he's a natural there. The most likely alternative to playing him is to put Walters out wide and bring Adam into the side, a switch so entirely without merit that it represents a large step backwards. I'd be far happier with Shotton on that flank, which would give us the long throw to keep the pressure on their back line, but then that seems such a negative move.
The more I think about it, it would probably be better to keep Kightly out there, but if we keep performing so well and he continues to play as poorly as he did last night, what do we do?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2012 23:56:43 GMT
He's absolute dogshit and the only player to have a poor game on Boxing day. The only reason to stick with him is that he enables us to field a group of players and a system that is as close to our cup final team/system as is feasibly possible given our current options and that can only be a good thing. It is what I have been saying all season long and I should be TP's "not so yes man" assistant!  |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 27, 2012 23:57:26 GMT
It's certainly a tough one, MD.
We looked a far better and more balanced team for his inclusion (which allowed Jon to play and play bloody brilliantly in his natural role) but I think Kites would admit that his performance was pretty mediocre.
That said he hasn't been involved much of late and can only improve with game time so I would persist especially as we haven't many viable alternatives.
I like the lad's endeavour but his quality doesn't match his effort sadly.
A new right winger would make a big difference to us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2012 23:57:33 GMT
We have no other real option, he has to start.
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Post by DentySCFC on Dec 27, 2012 23:59:04 GMT
Sell Adam, Kightly and some more deadwood and get a proper right winger in January. Until then, keep him in the side.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Dec 28, 2012 0:01:42 GMT
I'm not sure about him but in fairness he's not really had a sufficient run in the team to prove one way or the other. I think any player needs at least 10 consecutive games to get into his stride and be fairly judged - I'm happy to keep him in because of the 2 wingers aspect as well so my vote; stick with him  |
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 28, 2012 0:04:06 GMT
His first touch, technique and delivery are of lower division standard.
But he can run without the ball.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Dec 28, 2012 0:13:59 GMT
I think he at least needs to be given a run of games to try and prove himself as the side looks much better balanced with two natural wide players. I don't see him as a long term solution but until we bring in someone more capable, he is the only real option in that position.
I really want to like the lad, but he needs to improve quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 0:27:15 GMT
I think he at least needs to be given a run of games to try and prove himself as the side looks much better balanced with two natural wide players. I don't see him as a long term solution but until we bring in someone more capable, he is the only real option in that position. I really want to like the lad, but he needs to improve quickly. Agree with this, and surely, we need to give him a fair crack of the whip. Some players take longer to settle in than others. I think we should bring in another winger anyway as cover/competition, but we should give Kightly to the end of the season at least (possibly longer) to show what he can do. |
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Post by bettyswallox on Dec 28, 2012 0:33:55 GMT
Keep him in.
I don't think it's any coincidence that Ethers looked a lot brighter yesterday because Liverpool had two touchline-hugging wingers to deal with rather than him and Walters, who tends to cut in and congest the pitch.
He'll come good, I'm sure of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 0:40:14 GMT
There's enough experienced pro's at the club to suggest that he will improve. We have some of the best pro's in the business at the moment which is massive bonus to all the younger players. We just need to bring through academy players more and blood them much earlier....that's Tony's weakest area perhaps.
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Post by cmc89 on Dec 28, 2012 0:40:51 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks kightly has looked decent at times this season? Last game aside, he's looked like an option out wide whose better than shotton, walters and err. ... delap . Where he's struggled has been on the left, filling in for ringtone, and he's looked nothing like the threat you see on the right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 0:44:49 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks kightly has looked decent at times this season? Last game aside, he's looked like an option out wide whose better than shotton, walters and err. ... delap . Where he's struggled has been on the left, filling in for ringtone, and he's looked nothing like the threat you see on the right. A fair point. Not played too many games, and many of them on the'wrong' wing. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 28, 2012 1:06:26 GMT
Got to stick with him for the time being. Be interesting to see whether Adam starts on Saturday.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 28, 2012 1:16:43 GMT
OK to put on for the last 20, but to be honest not good enoug for the starting 11!t
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 28, 2012 1:44:42 GMT
Jesus Christ, the Stoke fan jury makes Judge Jeffries look like a liberal poofta. Of course he needs a fucking run,
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Dec 28, 2012 1:51:40 GMT
Jesus Christ, the Stoke fan jury makes Judge Jeffries look like a liberal poofta. Of course he needs a fucking run, [/font] +1 Stick or twist? Stick |
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 28, 2012 2:06:34 GMT
I would like to see Dyer at Swansea here! ;D
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Post by josher71 on Dec 28, 2012 2:30:51 GMT
I like Kightly. Again, he scores. I'll take a goal here and there. More than we've gotten from Ethers.
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Post by mailman44 on Dec 28, 2012 2:38:45 GMT
I thought he looked very slow last night and was not taking on defenders with any effect. Can't even call him a poor man's Darren Huckerby.
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Post by stokeyouth on Dec 28, 2012 4:46:55 GMT
He's the same as Etherington
Most of the game will run 20 yards into the corner.
Remember he hasnt got the pace to outdo the fullback, turn and pass.
They both have decent ability about them.
I think Kightly has more creativity and will come in a shoot more than any other winger.
Would I prefer Shotton? No
Would I prefer Adam with Walters outwide? No
He's also not had a decent run.
Give him 5 games minimum at RW and Ethers at LW and see how they do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 5:32:21 GMT
I dont mind Shotton on the right. Good pace, sticks in a few decent crosses and defends from the front pretty well too.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 28, 2012 6:11:41 GMT
He is our best option on the right and provides much needed balance to the team.
I actually think he would do better played off Crouch or Jones.
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Post by basingstokie on Dec 28, 2012 7:01:42 GMT
Pretty obvious that we play better with players in their natural position. We've all been asking for this for ages.
Kightly is our best right winger therefore he starts. If we decide to upgrade over the summer then so be it, but let's make an informed decision based on 10-15 games rather than a knee jerk reaction.
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Post by staffordshireknot on Dec 28, 2012 7:07:04 GMT
I like him and think he is a good winger. He is certainly a better option on the wing than Walters. He brings balance to the side and allows Walter to play in his proper position up front.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 28, 2012 7:09:57 GMT
Pretty obvious that we play better with players in their natural position. We've all been asking for this for ages. Kightly is our best right winger therefore he starts. If we decide to upgrade over the summer then so be it, but let's make an informed decision based on 10-15 games rather than a knee jerk reaction. Agree 100%. I commented after the LIverpool match that I put the improved showing of Ethers down to the fact that we had two wingers on the pitch - even though Kightly himself had a moderate game. Kights needs a run in the side to try to recover form and confidence. I still think our way of playing demands two good wingers and I'd be looking to bring in a third winger as competition/cover in January. |
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Post by staffordshireknot on Dec 28, 2012 7:15:26 GMT
Pretty obvious that we play better with players in their natural position. We've all been asking for this for ages. Kightly is our best right winger therefore he starts. If we decide to upgrade over the summer then so be it, but let's make an informed decision based on 10-15 games rather than a knee jerk reaction. Agree 100%. I commented after the LIverpool match that I put the improved showing of Ethers down to the fact that we had two wingers on the pitch - even though Kightly himself had a moderate game. Kights needs a run in the side to try to recover form and confidence. I still think our way of playing demands two good wingers and I'd be looking to bring in a third winger as competition/cover in January. You make some sensible posts at times  |
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Dec 28, 2012 8:36:27 GMT
I think Kightly is a good addition. I think the reason he looked very average on boxing day is that he never got forward enough. The thing with that is I believe TP told the wingers to stay back and help the defence. I saw both Kightly and Etherington give up on chasing a ball they normally would have chased all day only to drop deep to help out at the back. This may not be the case of course but just my thinking behind it. Maybe a good run in the team will do him good and we can see if he really has got it or not.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 28, 2012 8:37:57 GMT
Got to stick with him so the side remains balanced.
His performance stood out for all the wrong reasons the other night because everyone else played so well. However, he has had some decent-ish performances this season, and he's the best option we have there.
Two new wingers would be very nice in January.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Dec 28, 2012 8:42:37 GMT
he's not in Ethers league, not even a poor Ethers.
As much as we long for proper full backs - although we have the defebce in the league - my first port of call in January would be wide right and left. Ethers has picked up a little and if you get the ball to him he is a player and will more often than not at least keep it, especially if N'Zonzi is close.
Kightly however is the proverbial headless chicken. Had so many chances to cross it the other night then inexolicably did a Beagrie and wanted to beat the full back who was already out of the equation.
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