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Post by riccyfuller93 on Nov 15, 2012 16:05:08 GMT
Caulker and Cahill xD Nothing said about Shawcross except he had a 5 match rating joint lowest with Joe Hart...;(
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Post by stokeramblers on Nov 15, 2012 16:10:19 GMT
What exactly about Cahill impressed him, I would love to know!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 16:22:11 GMT
What exactly about Cahill impressed him, I would love to know! the fact that he plays for Chelsea probably |
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Post by jarhead on Nov 15, 2012 16:23:22 GMT
Playing for Chelsea correct.
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 15, 2012 16:28:20 GMT
Roy is a fucking tit.. I can't justify it in any way. It's merely what I see and hear.
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Post by rlcstokie on Nov 15, 2012 16:31:34 GMT
Easily pleased that bloke
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Nov 15, 2012 16:35:17 GMT
Perhaps we should let this Ryan business quieten down a little as it's cluttering up this board. Anybody would think he'd been pilloried by every football fan in the country. He played less than 20 minutes for his country and fell asleep for their second goal after he'd probably touched the ball once. Joe Hart has far more to answer for.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 15, 2012 18:37:14 GMT
Woy is a fecking Sycophant.
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Post by onionman on Nov 15, 2012 18:49:55 GMT
Woy is a fecking Sycophant. ;D That's definitely the word for Roy. There's a photo of him posing with Gerrard with a special "100 caps" flag. Roy has this star-struck grin on his face reminiscent of a cringeworthy photo of myself with Lee Sandford from 1992. |
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Nov 15, 2012 19:37:58 GMT
What did Ryan do to impress him thats more like the key question, answer nothing, and unlikely to ever be selected again in my view when Jones and one or two others are fit.
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Post by playhowwewant on Nov 15, 2012 19:53:09 GMT
Some of these journos make me laugh. I heard one on with Alan Brazil this morning saying that Caulker was unlucky with his mistake for the goal yet Ryan was at fault and shouldn't play again. Also Caulker had a 15 minute period where he was truly dog shit including trying to pass and just kicking it out for throwins. As for Cayhill don't even get me started to me the bloke just hides. I know I might get slated for this but when Ryan came on, bearing in mind it was his first cap why didn't Cahill think and take control of the situation and pick up Zlatan himself to let Ryan find his feet for a couple of minutes. I actually think after losing Zlatan for the goal Ryan made a few good headers and made a great pass to Wellbeck on the wing and his marking apart certainly didn't look any worse than Caulker in my eyes (which I know may be red and White tinted)
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 15, 2012 19:53:10 GMT
What exactly about Cahill impressed him, I would love to know! Probably the fact that he let the player who was on the pitch 30 secs on his debut mark the best player on the pitch. |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Nov 15, 2012 20:02:56 GMT
It's all a bit silly to let the disappointment with Ryan's debut to spill over into slating other players isn't it?
Cahill is top drawer by any measure and to be fair is currently far more an international central defender than Ryan.
I wouldn't particularly swap them at Stoke but in terms of playing international football Ryan has plenty of elements in his game that require working on.
I'm a huge fan of Shawcross but its fairly obvious where his current limitations lie for that level of football.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 15, 2012 20:34:36 GMT
It's all a bit silly to let the disappointment with Ryan's debut to spill over into slating other players isn't it? Cahill is top drawer by any measure and to be fair is currently far more an international central defender than Ryan. I wouldn't particularly swap them at Stoke but in terms of playing international football Ryan has plenty of elements in his game that require working on. I'm a huge fan of Shawcross but its fairly obvious where his current limitations lie for that level of football. What limitations are those then Mark out of interest? I know he tends to be quite hands on when defending set pieces. |
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Post by compo on Nov 15, 2012 20:35:21 GMT
I'd personally slate Gary Cahill with or without provocation relating to Ryan Shawcross. Cahill is not top drawer in my opinion and last night he was absolutely dire, and that's putting it politely.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 15, 2012 20:38:15 GMT
It's all a bit silly to let the disappointment with Ryan's debut to spill over into slating other players isn't it? Cahill is top drawer by any measure and to be fair is currently far more an international central defender than Ryan. I wouldn't particularly swap them at Stoke but in terms of playing international football Ryan has plenty of elements in his game that require working on. I'm a huge fan of Shawcross but its fairly obvious where his current limitations lie for that level of football. Cahill was utterly dreadful by anyone's measure. Have you gone totally bananas? |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Nov 15, 2012 20:47:35 GMT
It's all a bit silly to let the disappointment with Ryan's debut to spill over into slating other players isn't it? Cahill is top drawer by any measure and to be fair is currently far more an international central defender than Ryan. I wouldn't particularly swap them at Stoke but in terms of playing international football Ryan has plenty of elements in his game that require working on. I'm a huge fan of Shawcross but its fairly obvious where his current limitations lie for that level of football. Cahill was utterly dreadful by anyone's measure. Have you gone totally bananas? Yeah me and I would imagine the vast majority of people who watch football. I think you understand the point well enough. Cahill is streets ahead in his capability to be an international footballer. As I said it doesn't mean I would change them in our back four. Horses and courses. |
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Post by compo on Nov 15, 2012 20:50:01 GMT
The vast majority of people who watch football don't know anything about football.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 20:52:05 GMT
Cahill for me is vastly overrated and if he didn't play for Chelsea he would be lower down the pecking order imo.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Nov 15, 2012 20:53:11 GMT
The vast majority of people who watch football don't know anything about football. I take it you are a Vale Park regular?  |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Nov 15, 2012 20:54:23 GMT
Cahill for me is vastly overrated and if he didn't play for Chelsea he would be lower down the pecking order imo. I wonder how he came to be playing for Chelsea in the first place? |
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Post by compo on Nov 15, 2012 20:55:16 GMT
The vast majority of people who watch football don't know anything about football. I take it you are a Vale Park regular? I wish, there's no room ;D |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 15, 2012 20:55:19 GMT
Cahill was utterly dreadful by anyone's measure. Have you gone totally bananas? I think you understand the point well enough. Cahill is streets ahead in his capability to be an international footballer. . I'm not sure I agree Mark, honestly. A few nice goals and finishes apart I think he's been a disappointment for both England and Chelsea. A decent footballer yes, a decent defender, not for me. Caulker was utterly dreadful for 25 minutes and then improved with every passing minute, there is no way I'd slate his performance, I'm just annoyed Shawcross wasn't allowed the same rope to prove himself, only enough rope to hang himself. |
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Post by onionman on Nov 15, 2012 20:55:57 GMT
Cahill won one cap while he was getting rave reviews at Bolton didn't he?
Since becoming a squad man at Chelsea, he's suddenly become a key man for Roy's England.
I don't rate him defensively and that's nothing to do with me wanting Shawcross to succeed in his England career (at least consciously).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 20:58:21 GMT
Cahill for me is vastly overrated and if he didn't play for Chelsea he would be lower down the pecking order imo. I wonder how he came to be playing for Chelsea in the first place? Thats a very good question Mark and he obviously performs alot better than the times i've seen him which includes his woeful performance in the FA Cup semi final.Yet another overhyped premiership footballer for me but what do i know  |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Nov 15, 2012 21:01:12 GMT
I'll be bolloxed if I'm getting into a debate about a Chelsea player being better than one of our own. It's all wrong. I'll just leave it at there are certain attributes you need for international football and I honestly think that Ryan lacks a few in comparison to Cahill. Still a legend for us though. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 15, 2012 21:06:02 GMT
I'll be bolloxed if I'm getting into a debate about a Chelsea player being better than one of our own. It's all wrong. I'll just leave it at there are certain attributes you need for international football and I honestly think that Ryan lacks a few in comparison to Cahill. Still a legend for us though. If Chelsea buy Ryan in the window the I accept he will be a much better player...instantly, then |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Nov 15, 2012 21:08:11 GMT
I'll be bolloxed if I'm getting into a debate about a Chelsea player being better than one of our own. It's all wrong. I'll just leave it at there are certain attributes you need for international football and I honestly think that Ryan lacks a few in comparison to Cahill. Still a legend for us though. If Chelsea buy Ryan in the window the I accept he will be a much better player...instantly, then My argument would be a bit fucked if they did a swap deal involving Cahill I suppose |
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Post by drfootball on Nov 15, 2012 21:23:05 GMT
If the judgement of ANY defensive players international ability or potential is based on 16 minutes action,cold ,off the bench, away from home against a world class striker on fire then most English defenders of the last 30 years would only have 1 cap.  |
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Post by playhowwewant on Nov 15, 2012 21:31:02 GMT
It's all a bit silly to let the disappointment with Ryan's debut to spill over into slating other players isn't it? Cahill is top drawer by any measure and to be fair is currently far more an international central defender than Ryan. I wouldn't particularly swap them at Stoke but in terms of playing international football Ryan has plenty of elements in his game that require working on. I'm a huge fan of Shawcross but its fairly obvious where his current limitations lie for that level of football.[I'm not setting out to slate other players just point out that Ryans marking of Zlatan apart I thought he showed great character to settle down and do some fairly good things, which have not been reported on in the media, but then if they did this they wouldn't have a scape goat and I'm sorry but Cahill is not top drawer it is purely because he signed for a top four club he is a regular for England end of ! The proof of this point is when Jones went from Blackburn to Man Utd he had been no where near the England squad then low and behold even before he'd kicked a ball in anger he was in the squad.] |
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