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Post by knowingeye on Nov 15, 2012 8:02:21 GMT
This is not a xenophobic or racist rant but a view on the latest and probably greatest issue facing the English game. Many of the England team players can't get regular first team football and now forcing the manager to look for alternative options from dual nationality players and the championship.
Why is this happening? As I heard on a Radio 5 debate this week (not TALKSPORT!) the contributor stated that in his view we can look at the foreign contingent of players either from the EU, or further afield, that has been the fashionable way to get players over the last few years, for the English Premier League and through most of the football leagues.
Why is it that other football leagues in Europe can impose non-national player quotas, yet our game is flooded with foreign talent?
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Post by echetus on Nov 15, 2012 9:05:15 GMT
The likes of Berbatov definitely improve the quality of the league and arguably are good for the England national side as it gives English players the chance to play against top quality players every week. Its when teams like Wigan have only a couple of English players that gets me, surely they can find English players that are just as good? If managers are thinking "I need a young back-up left-back... lets see what my scouts in Spain have come up with" then how is that good for the English game?
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Nov 15, 2012 10:46:35 GMT
Its a trend throughout the employment stats in the whole country. More Eastern Europeans and Brazilians about in Stoke then ever. Samba anyone?  |
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Post by leicspotter on Nov 15, 2012 18:56:58 GMT
I've been saying this for years. We can't do anything about the Euro employment laws but we (the government) could do something about non europeans getting work permits.
Maybe they should put Tony Scoles in charge of all work permit applications...then none of the buggers would get in! ;D
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Post by rawli on Nov 15, 2012 19:47:37 GMT
This is not a xenophobic or racist rant but a view on the latest and probably greatest issue facing the English game. Many of the England team players can't get regular first team football and now forcing the manager to look for alternative options from dual nationality players and the championship. Why is this happening? As I heard on a Radio 5 debate this week (not TALKSPORT!) the contributor stated that in his view we can look at the foreign contingent of players either from the EU, or further afield, that has been the fashionable way to get players over the last few years, for the English Premier League and through most of the football leagues. Why is it that other football leagues in Europe can impose non-national player quotas, yet our game is flooded with foreign talent? Because there is no appetite either from the clubs or the league to do that. We are a world league now - the international rights are astronomical. Having as many foreigners in as possible makes us more attractive to an international audience. Plus the cost of relegation is too high for clubs to risk blooding youngsters - and the price of anyone promising who is English - £20 million quoted for Zaha - means you'd have to be crazy if you were a premier league manager to contemplate using English players. Cheaper, more experienced and more dedicated foreigners make commercial sense. |
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Post by rubyonrails on Nov 15, 2012 19:51:29 GMT
Why is it that other football leagues in Europe can impose non-national player quotas, yet our game is flooded with foreign talent? Because the Premier League is run as a huge international spectacle (like Formula 1) that generates billions, attracts the worlds best players and has little or no consideration for the English national sides development or welfare. You could try writing a letter to the FA.  |
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Post by sirblogalot on Nov 15, 2012 20:11:06 GMT
It suits the vested interests for it to be this way.....new world order coming fellas
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Nov 15, 2012 22:16:36 GMT
One word;
MONEY
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Nov 15, 2012 22:21:37 GMT
The problem is, there are a lot of English players at top clubs, who were either signed when they were young or came through the youth ranks who aren't quite good enough for a starting berth. The top clubs often can't afford to play average players for fear of slipping out of the top four. The mid table teams often struggle to afford these English fringe players (apart from us ) because they carry some ridiculous premium in terms of their asking price. It's much easier for someone like Wigan to sign 3 or 4 from abroad who are just as good for a fraction of the price. It's why the likes of Welbeck, Young, Lescott, Cahill (who is shite) and Walcott will never be top international players. I'd hazard a guess that they'd all cost at least 10 million if they wanted to move on. Who's going to pay that? (again, apart from us ;D) They simply won't get the competitive game time needed. And quite frankly, they're not good enough anyway. |
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Post by roby55 on Nov 15, 2012 23:44:22 GMT
The better question is Why dont english players play for other top leagues ?
spanish,french,italians and germans have no problem playing for other leagues I dont see any english players playing for one of the top leagues in Europe .
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 16, 2012 0:14:45 GMT
The problem is that although the European community say their border is open to any other European members that want to come and work there can but the reality is that they will 99% go for home grown.
I was listening to a report about a team in Spain who have stayed in the top La Lique division with only recruiting players from a certain region of Spain and a small part that borders France,now legally they are breaking EU working laws but in reality nothing is done and they carry on regardless!
In England the do gooder brigade demand we employ all and everyone from the EU even if they are sub standard and not as good as our home grown counter parts.(this does not apply in every situation but for football purposes the argument is correct the way i see it)
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Post by rlcstokie on Nov 16, 2012 0:28:56 GMT
I wonder if we'll see these so called 'anti racists' that bleat on about 'proportional representation' campaigning to get more English lads on the field. I doubt it very much.  They aren't hypocrites though.. .....Honest ;D |
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Post by gb on Nov 16, 2012 0:33:09 GMT
Shame England cant use the foreign players here ..
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Post by neilwilkesscfc on Nov 16, 2012 1:57:44 GMT
The rising premium put on english players doesn't help, regarding wigan by a poster above , I think you will find wigan couldn't find english players better than the foreign ones they currently have atm due to the simple premium put on english players heads... arouna kone was 3.5M yet andy carroll 35 million? (crazy but logical example)..
if wigan tried buying english players to stay in the premier league they would 100% get relegated . english players are not good enough in comparison to the rest of the world and that is what people need to understand.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 16, 2012 2:10:41 GMT
It actually goes to issues mentioned elsehwere in threads here. It was Mourinho who said with glorious bluntness that English players just don't have talent.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 16, 2012 8:29:05 GMT
Our league is considered the best, so why would an english player want to play abroad? If more played abroad when they were young, perhaps they could come back in their mid to late 20s and actually be world class. Imagine if Rooney had left Everton for Madrid or Barcelona - I think he would be significantly better than he is. He is a top player, but not world class in my opinion.
In terms of over here, there should be rules specifying at least 6 English players in every sides match day squad - it wouldn't kill off the foreign talent, but would certainly help the English game. It might also raise the price of the welbecks and Cahills (and Shawcross') even further though.
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Post by ichabodcheesecake on Nov 16, 2012 10:05:51 GMT
Bottom line is that looking at the national team etc they perhaps simply aren't good enough. Interesting that very few play abroad as that any young English player that shows any promise suddenly has a ridiculous price tag and why would a foreign club play that money when they have better talent at home? If you look at the likes of Jones and Smalling, the bottom line is that they are ok players with nonsensical price tags. Won't call Sterling English as he isn't but no doubt after just a few games Liverpool would ask daft money. Walcott has never produced the form at International level apart from the odd game and Oxlade-Chamberlain has shown little to suggest he will be an International star of the future although he is very young but already has a stupid price tag on his head.
No wonder clubs look abroad.
As for the argument that it doesn't give young English talent the chance- if they were good enough they would get their chances with many clubs.
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Post by knowingeye on Nov 16, 2012 11:47:03 GMT
The better question is Why dont english players play for other top leagues ? spanish,french,italians and germans have no problem playing for other leagues I dont see any english players playing for one of the top leagues in Europe . They do but many agents can't be bothered as there is good reason and non-payment is high on the list. |
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Post by foster on Nov 16, 2012 12:03:10 GMT
The better question is Why dont english players play for other top leagues ? spanish,french,italians and germans have no problem playing for other leagues I dont see any english players playing for one of the top leagues in Europe . The development system is crap. Indeed, we should be focusing on why English players aren't being picked up by other European leagues. The Prem is global now, but there are plenty of other leagues in which players could gain experience and improve at a high level. |
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Post by foster on Nov 16, 2012 12:04:17 GMT
The problem is that although the European community say their border is open to any other European members that want to come and work there can but the reality is that they will 99% go for home grown. I was listening to a report about a team in Spain who have stayed in the top La Lique division with only recruiting players from a certain region of Spain and a small part that borders France,now legally they are breaking EU working laws but in reality nothing is done and they carry on regardless! In England the do gooder brigade demand we employ all and everyone from the EU even if they are sub standard and not as good as our home grown counter parts.(this does not apply in every situation but for football purposes the argument is correct the way i see it) I disagree. We just have a poor crop of young players coming through, and have done for years. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 16, 2012 12:45:21 GMT
It all comes down to cost (IMO). The Premier League is chock a blok with foreign players that are 'average' at best but, as has been stated, a half-decent English players costs a small fortune unless you sign the likes of Whitehead etc. No disrespect to Deano but it sort of amplifies the point when he cost (up to....£5 Million). We were about to pay £7 million for Ba but ended up paying £10 million (possibly 12) for Crouch. What on earth could justify Henderson's or Carroll's price tags?
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Post by foster on Nov 16, 2012 12:47:57 GMT
It all comes down to cost (IMO). The Premier League is chock a blok with foreign players that are 'average' at best but, as has been stated, a half-decent English players costs a small fortune unless you sign the likes of Whitehead etc. No disrespect to Deano but it sort of amplifies the point when he cost (up to....£5 Million). We were about to pay £7 million for Ba but ended up paying £10 million (possibly 12) for Crouch. What on earth could justify Henderson's or Carroll's price tags? Lescotts tag as well. True, English players are at a premium, but that's because it's rare to find a decent one. Where there's not much to choose from, you'd expect to pay a premium. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 16, 2012 12:54:30 GMT
It all comes down to cost (IMO). The Premier League is chock a blok with foreign players that are 'average' at best but, as has been stated, a half-decent English players costs a small fortune unless you sign the likes of Whitehead etc. No disrespect to Deano but it sort of amplifies the point when he cost (up to....£5 Million). We were about to pay £7 million for Ba but ended up paying £10 million (possibly 12) for Crouch. What on earth could justify Henderson's or Carroll's price tags? Lescotts tag as well. True, English players are at a premium, but that's because it's rare to find a decent one. Where there's not much to choose from, you'd expect to pay a premium. Fair comment mate but Carroll and Henderson (shortly Zahar) are all players that have proved very little prior to being priced in the MENTAL bracket. As soon as an English player looks as though he might actually be capable of kicking a ball with his ONE good foot, he is suddenly worth a fortune. Most of them haven't actually proved anything before they are in the £20 Million bracket. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 17, 2012 3:32:53 GMT
It all comes down to cost (IMO). The Premier League is chock a blok with foreign players that are 'average' at best but, as has been stated, a half-decent English players costs a small fortune unless you sign the likes of Whitehead etc. No disrespect to Deano but it sort of amplifies the point when he cost (up to....£5 Million). We were about to pay £7 million for Ba but ended up paying £10 million (possibly 12) for Crouch. What on earth could justify Henderson's or Carroll's price tags? Whitehead should cost no one more than 500k in my eyes. It's absolute madness. 20 million for Zaha? You're having a laugh too but some daft bastard just might pay it, it's fookin' mad. He's a big talent but 20 million for a lad who's never played a top flight game. I'd love it crash but it won't happen. And then there's big Andy Carroll. ;D I like Carroll, I think he'd be ace for us, I think he's decent but 35 fucking million? Mike Ashley should be knighted for that, true genius. The Spanish way is ok, You can have as many EU players (as per EU law) but only 3 non-EU players. After five years in Spain, a non-EU player can gain Spanish residency and doesn't count against the 3. We'd be ok bar Palacios, Edu and Cameron |
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