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Post by stokiejack on Nov 5, 2012 12:34:54 GMT
That Jon Walters does not have the quality to be a first team regular?
He's playing him on the wing where he is useless.
He's not quick enough
He's cant take on a man
He can't cross
He doesn't take his chances
He doesn't create
Yes he runs, but for fuck sake I could run and work 'arrrrd all game, that doesn't mean I should be in the team. He doesn't posses the quality to play in our team at the moment.
When we Pulis learn, when will he realise that it's time to drop him? We are very limited for wing cover, and what does he do???? Sends pennant on loan. Come on!
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on Nov 5, 2012 12:36:39 GMT
Walters is primarily there for giving defenders trouble, and to his credit he does, when played in a position that allows him to. What the fuck use he is on the wing is beyond me, I often wonder if he asks TP the same question.
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Post by stokiejack on Nov 5, 2012 12:42:12 GMT
At the moment I just fail to see anything that he adds to the team, other than being just another pair of legs on the field. If a player is out of form which he clearly is why is he in the team? If I was ethers I would be going mad and jp(before he was loaned) I would be going mad, watching week in week out this guy just waste chance after chance and attacking opportunity after attacking opportunity, squad rotation Pulis!!!!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 5, 2012 12:53:13 GMT
At the moment I just fail to see anything that he adds to the team, other than being just another pair of legs on the field. If a player is out of form which he clearly is why is he in the team? If I was ethers I would be going mad and jp(before he was loaned) I would be going mad, watching week in week out this guy just waste chance after chance and attacking opportunity after attacking opportunity, squad rotation Pulis!!!! Let me change the question alittle to......... "When will some Stoke fans realize that NO-ONE could do what Walters is asked to do any better?" He is NOT playing as a winger but is playing as a winger/come striker/come midfielder/come defender which is bloody impossible and he's never going to look good doing it. The fault lies in what he is in the team to do and NOT in his lack of ability to do it. Pennant would answer ONE of the roles that Walters is currently covering but Pulis doesn't think he's capable of doing the rest....I AGREE. So, unless Pulis actually intends to use the wingers as WINGERS then Pennant might just as well stay on loan. |
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Post by StokieMatt on Nov 5, 2012 13:01:30 GMT
Probably when you realise moaning on a message board doesn't help.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 13:15:32 GMT
When will TP realise im right ;D
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Post by adamsson on Nov 5, 2012 13:15:55 GMT
Probably when you realise moaning on a message board doesn't help. Well, yes but what else can we do? |
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Post by StokieMatt on Nov 5, 2012 13:17:56 GMT
Probably when you realise moaning on a message board doesn't help. Well, yes but what else can we do? Support the side and till it gets better?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 13:20:13 GMT
Well, yes but what else can we do? Support the side and till it gets better? Everyone does support the side. Expressing concern on here doesn't mean people aren't 100% behind the team on matchdays. Happy clapping and saying "hooray for everything" is just as unhelpful. |
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Nov 5, 2012 13:25:01 GMT
For me, Walters has got just one major problem at the moment. He can't finish.
In a team that creates few clear opportunities, we need to put them away, so I'd have to drop him in favour of another to give them a shot.
Trouble is who?
Owen - no chance he'll work in the Walters role, or work as hard
Jones - hardly the sharp shooter replacement? but worth another run in the team?
Jerome - ???
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 13:26:10 GMT
For me, Walters has got just one major problem at the moment. He can't finish. In a team that creates few clear opportunities, we need to put them away, so I'd have to drop him in favour of another to give them a shot. Trouble is who? Owen - no chance he'll work in the Walters role, or work as hard Jones - hardly the sharp shooter replacement? but worth another run in the team? Jerome - ??? Etherington or Jerome are the obvious alternatives. |
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Nov 5, 2012 13:27:53 GMT
For me, Walters has got just one major problem at the moment. He can't finish. In a team that creates few clear opportunities, we need to put them away, so I'd have to drop him in favour of another to give them a shot. Trouble is who? Owen - no chance he'll work in the Walters role, or work as hard Jones - hardly the sharp shooter replacement? but worth another run in the team? Jerome - ??? Etherington or Jerome are the obvious alternatives. Stick with 4-5-1? or go two up top and cut Deano out of the midfield? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 13:28:55 GMT
Etherington or Jerome are the obvious alternatives. Stick with 4-5-1? or go two up top and cut Deano out of the midfield? Pulis isn't going to deviate from his 4-4-1-1. Whelan should come back for Deano anyway IMO. |
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Post by elystokie on Nov 5, 2012 13:29:42 GMT
For me, Walters has got just one major problem at the moment. He can't finish. In a team that creates few clear opportunities, we need to put them away, so I'd have to drop him in favour of another to give them a shot. Trouble is who? Owen - no chance he'll work in the Walters role, or work as hard Jones - hardly the sharp shooter replacement? but worth another run in the team? Jerome - ??? I'd say he has far more than 'one major problem' although I agree that it's that part of his game that is most infuriatiing. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 5, 2012 13:31:11 GMT
For me, Walters has got just one major problem at the moment. He can't finish. In a team that creates few clear opportunities, we need to put them away, so I'd have to drop him in favour of another to give them a shot. Trouble is who? Owen - no chance he'll work in the Walters role, or work as hard Jones - hardly the sharp shooter replacement? but worth another run in the team? Jerome - ??? I think that's fair comment (well fairer than most anyway). Walters HAS missed a fair few golden chances of late but I would just add that, the fact he was there (in the middle of the goal) to fuck up the chance does emphasise the point I was making. He DOES try to get inside and support the striker as well as his many other roles in life. He is, more often than not, criticised for not flying down the wing, beating defenders and getting quality balls into the box but Pulis isn't playing him in THAT role even though he occupies that space for much of the game. Too many are mistaking a striker that is playing on the wing with a WINGER (which he is not). Pulis is to blame for that and NOT Walters. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 13:31:46 GMT
The worrying thing for me is that TP doesn't seem to see a problem - he's been pleased with the last two performances if his public pronouncements are anything to go by.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 5, 2012 13:35:49 GMT
The worrying thing for me is that TP doesn't seem to see a problem - he's been pleased with the last two performances if his public pronouncements are anything to go by. World's best bullshitter rob. Pulis, not you mate. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 13:37:00 GMT
The worrying thing for me is that TP doesn't seem to see a problem - he's been pleased with the last two performances if his public pronouncements are anything to go by. World's best bullshitter rob. Pulis, not you mate. ;D I'll happily settle for the silver. Thing is, in the past Tone has come out and acknowledged when we've been shit, which is what makes me think he genuinely doesn't see a problem. That and, you know, picking the same team every week. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 13:48:48 GMT
Stick with 4-5-1? or go two up top and cut Deano out of the midfield? Pulis isn't going to deviate from his 4-4-1-1. Whelan should come back for Deano anyway IMO. completely agree! Whelan looked far more comfortable this season when he's played now he has others around him who are comfortable on the ball, not criticising Deano though to be fair..the hustle he gives us and the sheer amount fo work and ground he covers is great but Glenn can certainly add more to us an attacking threat |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Nov 5, 2012 14:57:55 GMT
At the moment I just fail to see anything that he adds to the team, other than being just another pair of legs on the field. If a player is out of form which he clearly is why is he in the team? If I was ethers I would be going mad and jp(before he was loaned) I would be going mad, watching week in week out this guy just waste chance after chance and attacking opportunity after attacking opportunity, squad rotation Pulis!!!! Let me change the question alittle to......... "When will some Stoke fans realize that NO-ONE could do what Walters is asked to do any better?" He is NOT playing as a winger but is playing as a winger/come striker/come midfielder/come defender which is bloody impossible and he's never going to look good doing it. The fault lies in what he is in the team to do and NOT in his lack of ability to do it. Pennant would answer ONE of the roles that Walters is currently covering but Pulis doesn't think he's capable of doing the rest....I AGREE. So, unless Pulis actually intends to use the wingers as WINGERS then Pennant might just as well stay on loan. +1 |
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Post by forwardpass on Nov 5, 2012 16:23:32 GMT
Talking about Joun Walters is useless. All the threads in the world will not change anything. The only way Pulis is going drop him is of he gets injured
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 5, 2012 16:49:57 GMT
Probably when you realise moaning on a message board doesn't help. What do you expect on a Football Supporters message board? Shall we have a nice little chat about the quality of the pies at half time? |
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Post by whereami on Nov 5, 2012 16:59:16 GMT
Odd how no other teams need someone in the god forsaken Walters job, and yet at last count they pretty much all outscore us and prettty much none of them have a central defensive partnership (with added def. midfield cover) as good as we do, so his "role" seems pretty useless to me. The only reason it needs to be filled is because it exists, not because it adds anything worthwhile.
At the moment Jon Walters is a wrong answer to a question no-one asked
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 5, 2012 17:05:13 GMT
Odd how no other teams need someone in the god forsaken Walters job, and yet at last count they pretty much all outscore us and prettty much none of them have a central defensive partnership (with added def. midfield cover) as good as we do, so his "role" seems pretty useless to me. The only reason it needs to be filled is because it exists, not because it adds anything worthwhile. At the moment Jon Walters is a wrong answer to a question no-one asked But all of that totally ignores the way that Pulis wants to set his team out. We may not agree with his ideas on football but he'd piss all over us if it came to justifying himself this past few years. HE feels he needs Walters because of they way HE wants to play. We can debate all the ins and outs forever but he asks Walters to play a role that he doesn't trust anyone else to play. It's as simple as that. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 5, 2012 17:16:15 GMT
Odd how no other teams need someone in the god forsaken Walters job, and yet at last count they pretty much all outscore us and prettty much none of them have a central defensive partnership (with added def. midfield cover) as good as we do, so his "role" seems pretty useless to me. The only reason it needs to be filled is because it exists, not because it adds anything worthwhile. At the moment Jon Walters is a wrong answer to a question no-one asked But all of that totally ignores the way that Pulis wants to set his team out. We may not agree with his ideas on football but he'd piss all over us if it came to justifying himself this past few years. HE feels he needs Walters because of they way HE wants to play. We can debate all the ins and outs forever but he asks Walters to play a role that he doesn't trust anyone else to play. It's as simple as that. I accept Jon Walters is fundamental to the way TP wants to play. That being the case why doesn't he buy some other similar players instead of wasting time on Michael Owen, Cameron Jerome, Tuncay, Eidur, Pennant etc? Are we still waiting for Mama to get back into the first team squad? |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 5, 2012 17:23:22 GMT
I think he signed Jerome as 'back up' mate and he's been pretty good at that but he clearly isn't happy being a 'bit-part' player. It's unfortunate because I think that is exactly what he's best at and why we signed him. We accommodated Pennant just fine when we had Walters as the deeper striker because he covered so much of the empty space between the midfield and the front man. Now he wants to give Adam a chance in that role but he clearly can't cover the same areas so Walters is in, at the expense of an out-and-out winger. It's not QUITE working at the moment but I don't think we are anywhere near as far off a good side as many seem to believe. We went to both Chelsea and Manchester United and caused them problems and again got a point at Anfield. We've also taken points off Manchester City and Arsenal. Things really aren't THAT BAD but we need to step up a bit.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 5, 2012 17:28:25 GMT
Odd how no other teams need someone in the god forsaken Walters job, and yet at last count they pretty much all outscore us and prettty much none of them have a central defensive partnership (with added def. midfield cover) as good as we do, so his "role" seems pretty useless to me. The only reason it needs to be filled is because it exists, not because it adds anything worthwhile. At the moment Jon Walters is a wrong answer to a question no-one asked Good post. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 18:17:29 GMT
I think he signed Jerome as 'back up' mate and he's been pretty good at that but he clearly isn't happy being a 'bit-part' player. It's unfortunate because I think that is exactly what he's best at and why we signed him. We accommodated Pennant just fine when we had Walters as the deeper striker because he covered so much of the empty space between the midfield and the front man. Now he wants to give Adam a chance in that role but he clearly can't cover the same areas so Walters is in, at the expense of an out-and-out winger. It's not QUITE working at the moment but I don't think we are anywhere near as far off a good side as many seem to believe. We went to both Chelsea and Manchester United and caused them problems and again got a point at Anfield. We've also taken points off Manchester City and Arsenal. Things really aren't THAT BAD but we need to step up a bit. Here's my problem with that re Jerome Doz. Your back up is doing well. Your plan A is struggling. Surely in a sane world you mix it up a bit? |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 5, 2012 18:22:35 GMT
I think he signed Jerome as 'back up' mate and he's been pretty good at that but he clearly isn't happy being a 'bit-part' player. It's unfortunate because I think that is exactly what he's best at and why we signed him. We accommodated Pennant just fine when we had Walters as the deeper striker because he covered so much of the empty space between the midfield and the front man. Now he wants to give Adam a chance in that role but he clearly can't cover the same areas so Walters is in, at the expense of an out-and-out winger. It's not QUITE working at the moment but I don't think we are anywhere near as far off a good side as many seem to believe. We went to both Chelsea and Manchester United and caused them problems and again got a point at Anfield. We've also taken points off Manchester City and Arsenal. Things really aren't THAT BAD but we need to step up a bit. Here's my problem with that re Jerome Doz. Your back up is doing well. Your plan A is struggling. Surely in a sane world you mix it up a bit? Jerome has had a raw deal mate, no question. |
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Post by march4 on Nov 5, 2012 18:24:41 GMT
Here's my problem with that re Jerome Doz. Your back up is doing well. Your plan A is struggling. Surely in a sane world you mix it up a bit? Jerome has had a raw deal mate, no question. Why? |
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