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Post by wirralexile on Oct 31, 2012 15:06:47 GMT
As we have bought a few players in who some believed would see us start to evolve the stats make interesting reading.
Possession 2011/12: 40.3% (worst in league)
Possession 2012/13: 38.9% (worst in league)
Pass accuracy 2011/12: 69.5% (worst in league)
Pass accuracy 2012/13: 70.4% (2nd worst after Reading)
Goals in open play 2011/12: 14 (worst in league)
Goals in open play 2012/13: 3 (worst in league)
Shots per game 2011/12: 9.9 (worst in league)
Shots per game 2012/13: 10.7 (worst in league)
Dribbles per game 2011/12: 3.7 (worst in league)
Dribbles per game 2012/13: 3.2% (worst in league)
Points per game 2011/12: 1.18
Points per game 2012/13: 1.00
Goals per game 2011/12: 0.95
Goals per game 2012/13: 0.88
Goals conceeded per game 2011/12: 1.39
Goals conceeded per game 2012/13: 1.00
Worryingly last term our points per game dropped from a season start of 1.2 to less than 1 post January so with a lower starting point this cannot happen again. In summary, the player investment has yielded no improvements in the technical side of the game at all, we are conceeding fewer and scoring fewer which could mean a further entrenchment of Pullis's defensive nature or it could just be the start we've had. It will be interesting to see how the stats move throughout the year. What is clear is that the philosophy has not moved one iota.
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Post by StokieMatt on Oct 31, 2012 15:10:07 GMT
Now do it game to game Man utd this season vs man utd last season Sunderland this season vs Sunderland last season Then I'll take note, thanks for the effort though  |
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Post by stockportstokie on Oct 31, 2012 15:10:47 GMT
We can't look at the stats until we play the 'shitter' teams. We've played Arsenal, Citeh, Chelsea, Swansea, Liverpool & United... We were never going to control those games in terms of possession, big expectations this month and I hope we match them otherwise our season is fucked.
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Post by billybigballs on Oct 31, 2012 15:13:04 GMT
i prefer to watch the games than read the stats, its a lot more interesting
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Post by wirralexile on Oct 31, 2012 15:14:22 GMT
Passing a ball is passing a football, irrespective of who you are playing, 3 times out of 10 we can't get it to another Stoke player and its got no better. The only glimmer of light this season is, top 6 or 7 aside, I think its a far weaker league than last year.
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Post by wirralexile on Oct 31, 2012 15:16:40 GMT
i prefer to watch the games than read the stats, its a lot more interesting They are both dull, fact is we have the worst product to watch in the Premier League by technical and creative quality, thats a fact not opinion as born out by the boring stats. |
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Post by jbstokie on Oct 31, 2012 15:19:58 GMT
Now do it game to game Man utd this season vs man utd last season Sunderland this season vs Sunderland last season Then I'll take note, thanks for the effort though This. In the 9 games we have played we have been against Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd. That's 4 games out of 9 against teams that will finish in the top 6 and Liverpool who will finish top 10. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 31, 2012 15:23:52 GMT
Now do it game to game Man utd this season vs man utd last season Sunderland this season vs Sunderland last season Then I'll take note, thanks for the effort though I was thinking the exact same thing, way to early to be comparing a full season with the few games we've played so far, hardly a fair comparison. |
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Post by billybigballs on Oct 31, 2012 15:25:49 GMT
i prefer to watch the games than read the stats, its a lot more interesting They are both dull, fact is we have the worst product to watch in the Premier League by technical and creative quality, thats a fact not opinion as born out by the boring stats. no, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, doesnt make it fact. Sunderland have had fewer shots on target than us this season, so you probably should check your facts. Anyone who calls football a 'product' should be flogged on the pitch at half time. |
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 31, 2012 15:29:07 GMT
Goals conceeded per game 2011/12: 1.39 Goals conceeded per game 2012/13: 1.00 Great stat. TP will be delighted and you should be too. </CHANNELING MARCH4> |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 31, 2012 15:32:16 GMT
They are both dull, fact is we have the worst product to watch in the Premier League by technical and creative quality, thats a fact not opinion as born out by the boring stats. no, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, doesnt make it fact. Sunderland have had fewer shots on target than us this season, so you probably should check your facts.Anyone who calls football a 'product' should be flogged on the pitch at half time. He's clearly trying to avoid some stats that go against what ever point he's trying to make. I'm still not sure what it is hes trying to prove, maybe that you can't compare a full season with 9 games? In that case well plaid sir. |
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Post by billybigballs on Oct 31, 2012 15:37:34 GMT
no, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, doesnt make it fact. Sunderland have had fewer shots on target than us this season, so you probably should check your facts.Anyone who calls football a 'product' should be flogged on the pitch at half time. He's clearly trying to avoid some stats that go against what ever point he's trying to make. I'm still not sure what it is hes trying to prove, maybe that you can't compare a full season with 9 games? In that case well plaid sir. He sounds like a very miserable man and i think hes trying to justify his very bleak outlook |
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Post by padders01 on Oct 31, 2012 15:39:43 GMT
Sunderland have played a game less than us hence why the average way work out worse for us
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Post by andylgr on Oct 31, 2012 15:40:01 GMT
People are obsessed by stats. Too much so at times. In this case I'd rather lets look at them at the end of the season when a more fair comparison can be made.
So now its a far weaker league than last season, I thought the opposite was being stated at the start of the season?
Personally I think this season has started more promising, football wise than last season. I'm willing to give it time, we aren't in the shit just yet.
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Post by wirralexile on Oct 31, 2012 15:41:39 GMT
no, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, doesnt make it fact. Sunderland have had fewer shots on target than us this season, so you probably should check your facts.Anyone who calls football a 'product' should be flogged on the pitch at half time. He's clearly trying to avoid some stats that go against what ever point he's trying to make. I'm still not sure what it is hes trying to prove, maybe that you can't compare a full season with 9 games? In that case well plaid sir. I accept the point that Sunderland strikers hit more shots off target than ours and we are a mighty 2nd bottom of this stat. It'll be interesting to see the stats at the half way stage that will take the weightings away but i was hoping with Charlie Adam especially we would try and play a bit more football but looks like i'm wrong. Time will tell and i accept the stats allow those who want to support Pullis the way out of comparing the fixtures. For the record in head to heads we are 2 points better off than last year - there's a free gift for the Pullis supporters |
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Post by billybigballs on Oct 31, 2012 15:43:11 GMT
Sunderland have played a game less than us hence why the average way work out worse for us i forgot they had a game called off. But if you compare the way we have played away from home this season to Sunderland at the Brit theres no way anyone can say their football 'product' is more entertaining than ours |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Oct 31, 2012 15:47:15 GMT
Passing a ball is passing a football, irrespective of who you are playing, 3 times out of 10 we can't get it to another Stoke player and its got no better. The only glimmer of light this season is, top 6 or 7 aside, I think its a far weaker league than last year. I disagree I think this seasons league is the strongest since 08/09 I'd rather play Wolves, Bolton, Blackburn over WHU, Southampton, Reading. |
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Post by wirralexile on Oct 31, 2012 15:50:07 GMT
Sunderland have played a game less than us hence why the average way work out worse for us i forgot they had a game called off. But if you compare the way we have played away from home this season to Sunderland at the Brit theres no way anyone can say their football 'product' is more entertaining than ours O'Neills an irish, very slightly more affable, version of TP, no surprise there! Its an opinion and everyone's entitled to one but i really had though this year would be the year when TP tried to change but i think i was dreaming, it won't ever happen will it? |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Oct 31, 2012 15:50:41 GMT
Now do it game to game Man utd this season vs man utd last season Sunderland this season vs Sunderland last season Then I'll take note, thanks for the effort though That's far to logical and reasonable for this board some people have agendas to push don't you know. ;D |
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Post by Gods on Oct 31, 2012 16:15:02 GMT
Points per game 2011/12: 1.18
Points per game 2012/13: 1.00
This stat needs to change fast, it would see us border line relegated were it to persist.
I know, I know we've only played the hard teams right?!
Actually we have played 3 of the likely relegation candidates in Reading, Wigan and Swansea, 2 mid/upper table teams in Sunderland and Liverpool and 4 good ones in Chelsea, Arsenal and the two Manchesters. Isn't the Premier League just a bit like that really...some good teams, some middling teams and some less good teams.
Without wishing to state the obvious we need to get our points total moving upwards pretty quick or this will be a very long winter.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Oct 31, 2012 16:39:30 GMT
Points per game 2011/12: 1.18 Points per game 2012/13: 1.00 This stat needs to change fast, it would see us border line relegated were it to persist. I know, I know we've only played the hard teams right?! Actually we have played 3 of the likely relegation candidates in Reading, Wigan and Swansea, 2 mid/upper table teams in Sunderland and Liverpool and 3 good ones in Chelsea and the two Manchesters. Isn't the Premier League just a bit like that really...some good teams, some middling teams and some less good teams. Without wishing to state the obvious we need to get our points total moving upwards pretty quick or this will be a very long winter. Come off it to call Liverpool a mid table team is laughable we've played 5 of the top 7 teams in the country (Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal) 3 of which were away from home. If come. After we've played Southampton (that'll be our 19th game) we are on less than 19 points we could start to hover our hand over the panic button. |
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Post by Gods on Oct 31, 2012 16:46:18 GMT
Points per game 2011/12: 1.18 Points per game 2012/13: 1.00 This stat needs to change fast, it would see us border line relegated were it to persist. I know, I know we've only played the hard teams right?! Actually we have played 3 of the likely relegation candidates in Reading, Wigan and Swansea, 2 mid/upper table teams in Sunderland and Liverpool and 3 good ones in Chelsea and the two Manchesters. Isn't the Premier League just a bit like that really...some good teams, some middling teams and some less good teams. Without wishing to state the obvious we need to get our points total moving upwards pretty quick or this will be a very long winter. Come off it to call Liverpool a mid table team is laughable we've played 5 of the top 7 teams in the country (Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal) 3 of which were away from home. If come. After we've played Southampton (that'll be our 19th game) we are on less than 19 points we could start to hover our hand over the panic button. Whoops! Just realised I left of Arsenal, I just went back and added them. It has been very tough but there have been points there for the taking. Perhaps the problem has been that 2 of our 3 relatively "easy" games have been on the road where of course we have not beaten anyone since January 2nd in 15 attempts. But that's another troubling story and perhaps one for another time |
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Post by Gods on Oct 31, 2012 16:48:11 GMT
Passing a ball is passing a football, irrespective of who you are playing, 3 times out of 10 we can't get it to another Stoke player and its got no better. The only glimmer of light this season is, top 6 or 7 aside, I think its a far weaker league than last year. I disagree I think this seasons league is the strongest since 08/09 I'd rather play Wolves, Bolton, Blackburn over WHU, Southampton, Reading. Exactly, the 12 points we helped ourselves to against Wolves and Blackburn saved our bacon last season. Not sure where the 6 point hauls will come from this time around? We have already missed out on the Reading opportunity. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 18:07:18 GMT
It's a way weaker league than the last few seasons. Reading, Southampton, Wigan, Norwich and Villa are all crap for starters. The big boys all look more fallible than usual as well.
That said, we've still had to play the top teams early and that has been a factor. And of course that's going to affect your stats.
We've been more positive and less one dimensional this season and I'm confident we'll start winning soon enough - not that there aren't problems.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 18:49:33 GMT
Sense and reason coming to the fore as yet there is no progress post Norwich and qpr we will have a better idea if it's Likely by game 19
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 19:06:46 GMT
What rate of new fishing posts is Innercircle now starting per week compared to this time in April? I think that's the real yardstick |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Oct 31, 2012 19:30:30 GMT
Sunderland have played a game less than us hence why the average way work out worse for us I read that Sunderland has had 12 shots on target this season, so are you saying we've had less than 13.5? That's what our total shots would work out as if this was true. The possession stats. don't seem right either. Also, where have these stats. come from? The OP doesn't say, seems to me they've been made up by him. |
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Post by wirralexile on Oct 31, 2012 20:31:50 GMT
Sunderland have played a game less than us hence why the average way work out worse for us I read that Sunderland has had 12 shots on target this season, so are you saying we've had less than 13.5? That's what our total shots would work out as if this was true. The possession stats. don't seem right either. Also, where have these stats. come from? The OP doesn't say, seems to me they've been made up by him. Good site for stats, we are top of the aerial duels won on 60% if anyone is interested! Good to see the training is paying off. |
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