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Post by Pugsley on Oct 20, 2012 20:43:10 GMT
Namely Wilson and Walters.
Wilson can't run and cannot pass a football. Walters CAN run but is a woeful footballer. Both offer nothing to an aspiring top 10 side.
Great today for 25 minutes, then inexplicably switched off which cost us 3 goals.
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Post by stokiedj on Oct 20, 2012 20:45:24 GMT
Wilson today was his first bad game this season, as was shawcross. Cant blame wilson though, out of position and up against two of the most rapid players in the league in rafeal and valencia.
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Post by beast8 on Oct 20, 2012 20:47:01 GMT
Holding us back from what?
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Post by kitkatkev on Oct 20, 2012 20:47:59 GMT
Looks like it really is time for me to delete my account I give up
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 20, 2012 20:48:22 GMT
Being a really good side with top 10 aspirations.
Both today, along with Kightley were shite.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 20:49:53 GMT
Wilson did have a poor game (as did the whole defence) but he's been very good this season! As for Walters he's also doing fine as well.....I'm tired of all the anti Walters stuff on here.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 20, 2012 20:50:38 GMT
Wilson had a poor game by this seasons standards. Had a good game in the week for Ireland. Walters has been playing well. Admit he needs to put one away soon. I think he will too. I don't think either are holding us back though. In fact, I don't think anything is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 20:51:09 GMT
Looks like it really is time for me to delete my account I give up Kev don't let people like Pugs,Jarhead and the Mr Black cloud biscuit man get you down mate,posters like yourself are worth 10 of them. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 20, 2012 20:51:29 GMT
Oh dear. Do you realise that was probably the best front 3 in the league and their movement and interchange of roles was awesome
Wilson was not at his best today, but has been much better this season
Walters actually set up spme good stuff, but he is not a striker, that I would agree with
Why this constant need to slag our players off - we gave it a dman good go today and got beat by 3 front strikers who would walk in to most teams
Can we just for once give it a f'n rest?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2012 20:52:15 GMT
I thought Kightly was really poor as well Pugs but his goal will no doubt hide that somewhat.
We played well today, were the better team 1st half and should have been 2 up, at least, before they got into the game.
I am still concerned with our forward options though. Crouch is crap away from home, Walters is Walters and I am really not convinced by Kightly.
Adam was much better today which was a nice positive and hopefully we can make easy work of our next run of fixtures and go on a run that leads to a good season.
Plenty of positives and some concerns. Wilson was poor today after a run of good form but Valencia will cause better players than him problems.
Some decent points ruined by the harshness of the way in which the opening post was written. Our season starts now!
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 20, 2012 20:53:52 GMT
Oh dear. Do you realise that was probably the best front 3 in the league and their movement and interchange of roles was awesome Wilson was not at his best today, but has been much better this season Walters actually set up spme good stuff, but he is not a striker, that I would agree with Why this constant need to slag our players off - we gave it a dman good go today and got beat by 3 front strikers who would walk in to most teams Can we just for once give it a f'n rest? exactly, Huth tweeted tonight "well that was fucking tough" - and I don't think he was talking about an after match steak |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 20, 2012 20:56:48 GMT
I thought Kightly was really poor as well Pugs but his goal will no doubt hide that somewhat. We played well today, were the better team 1st half and should have been 2 up, at least, before they got into the game. I am still concerned with our forward options though. Crouch is crap away from home, Walters is Walters and I am really not convinced by Kightly. Adam was much better today which was a nice positive and hopefully we can make easy work of our next run of fixtures and go on a run that leads to a good season. Plenty of positives and some concerns. Wilson was poor today after a run of good form but Valencia will cause better players than him problems. Some decent points ruined by the harshness of the way in which the opening post was written. Our season starts now! Waddya mean 'our season starts now'?? I think we have vastly improved this season compared to last (take away Wigan 1st half and Reading last 20 mins) We have pretty much a whole new midfield and we are evolving Our season starts now - dear me  |
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 20, 2012 20:58:14 GMT
I thought Kightly was really poor as well Pugs but his goal will no doubt hide that somewhat. We played well today, were the better team 1st half and should have been 2 up, at least, before they got into the game. I am still concerned with our forward options though. Crouch is crap away from home, Walters is Walters and I am really not convinced by Kightly. Adam was much better today which was a nice positive and hopefully we can make easy work of our next run of fixtures and go on a run that leads to a good season. Plenty of positives and some concerns. Wilson was poor today after a run of good form but Valencia will cause better players than him problems. Some decent points ruined by the harshness of the way in which the opening post was written. Our season starts now! Harsh? Just my style  Agree with most of what you say. Pulis beginning to see sense with Walters. Gave him the hook quite early. Adam looked good, played it simple most of the time. N'Zonzi looks a terrific signing. |
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Post by scfc1983 on Oct 20, 2012 21:00:04 GMT
Agree. We have got no chance to win the league this season with those two in the side.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 21:02:56 GMT
I thought that was wilsons worst game of the season, but for me he's been fine before today. His big downfall at times is the inability to keep it simple. As for Walters, I totally get why we went with him, as utd do use Evra and rafael a lot in going forward, and I think we stopped that well. But on the ball he's bloody awful. The build up to the chance he got 1st half was seriously world class! But the finish was woeful! It would have put us 2 up and put us in one hell of a position, but he didn't! But aswell as that miss a few times on the break we had great opportunities but he ran into trouble. I've said on another post that in home games I think we've got start using this squad and keeping it fresh, we have no newd to become predictable, give jerome Owen or jones there chance
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Post by blackpoolstokie on Oct 20, 2012 21:04:12 GMT
Harsh to give Wilson crap, he has been solid as a rock this season. You need to remember the quality of the players he was up against!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 21:07:01 GMT
We played some great football in the first 30 minutes, but like it or not there is a lack of quality out wide. We don't have a fit and flying Ethers or an in form Pennant. In fact we have no pace at all. You simply have to score when you're on top and Walters should have made a better fist of that chance. It reminded me of the chance he missed at Anfield last season.
I've said it before we look a much better side but for me the problem again will be scoring goals, especially against the teams that don't come to attack out us.
Yes it was much better today and thats bloody refreshing to see but for me the jurys still out.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 20, 2012 21:07:15 GMT
If we are nitpciking, I thought Crouch had a much less effective influence on the game than Walters
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2012 21:08:01 GMT
Not quite sure what you are objecting to with my post above Sufolk. Our season does start now. We have had a really difficult start and have come through that with more than a few positives. We now have a run of fixtures where you would hope that the positives we have seen will manifest themselves into some good wins that propel us up the league table. Given that we have some eminently winnable fixtures after as difficult a start as was possible, I think it is fair to say our season starts now. Anything we picked up from those opening fixtures was a bonus in my eyes (I backed us to have 6 points) so to have 8 and only a -1 goal difference is something I would have signed for. If that is worthy of rolly eyes disdain, then I can only assume that you are a sensitive Rimmer who needs to rejoin the real world!  |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 20, 2012 21:12:27 GMT
Not many weaknesses nowadays and certainly the defence isn't.
In Jan we need 2 players a LB and 2nd striker / winger.
For me I'd go for either Zaha or Redmond and Ridgewell so Cameron can move into CM
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 20, 2012 21:13:08 GMT
Not quite sure what you are objecting to with my post above Sufolk. Our season does start now. We have had a really difficult start and have come through that with more than a few positives. We now have a run of fixtures where you would hope that the positives we have seen will manifest themselves into some good wins that propel us up the league table. Given that we have some eminently winnable fixtures after as difficult a start as was possible, I think it is fair to say our season starts now. Anything we picked up from those opening fixtures was a bonus in my eyes (I backed us to have 6 points) so to have 8 and only a -1 goal difference is something I would have signed for. If that is worthy of rolly eyes disdain, then I can only assume that you are a sensitive Rimmer who needs to rejoin the real world! Never been called a rimmer before fella- I am getting worried ;D I just think the capped one has turned the corner this season (minus Reading last 20 and Wigan first half, the silly sod). I understand your sentiment given our fixtures to date, but I just think it is refreshing the way we had a go at Chelski and today when in the past........ But the team is starting to gel Hence I think we have already started the season pretty well |
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Post by potterglen on Oct 20, 2012 21:20:48 GMT
I thought Kightly was really poor as well Pugs but his goal will no doubt hide that somewhat. We played well today, were the better team 1st half and should have been 2 up, at least, before they got into the game. I am still concerned with our forward options though. Crouch is crap away from home, Walters is Walters and I am really not convinced by Kightly. Adam was much better today which was a nice positive and hopefully we can make easy work of our next run of fixtures and go on a run that leads to a good season. Plenty of positives and some concerns. Wilson was poor today after a run of good form but Valencia will cause better players than him problems. Some decent points ruined by the harshness of the way in which the opening post was written. Our season starts now! Waddya mean 'our season starts now'?? I think we have vastly improved this season compared to last (take away Wigan 1st half and Reading last 20 mins) We have pretty much a whole new midfield and we are evolving Our season starts now - dear me Dear me 'Our season starts now'. Sunderland - Home Norwich - Away QPR - Home West Ham - Away Fulham - Home Could knotch up some serious points. Get it?  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2012 21:21:17 GMT
We have done pretty well and have probably been deserving of more points than we have got.
That said, no-one expected much out of the first 8 games but identified the easier run that now follows, hence my comment about our season starting now.
Win a couple and we are looking upwards but lose them and we start looking down and we have seen many times before how good form that doesn't merit the points they deserves can soon lead to loss of confidence and long losing runs.
I don't for one minute think that will happen to us but having seen it all before, it is in the back of my mind given our efforts during the 2nd half of last season.
Sunderland is a big game for us next week as are the two that follow v Norwich and QPR. 7-9 points and we will be looking decidedly upwards!
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 20, 2012 21:28:46 GMT
We have done pretty well and have probably been deserving of more points than we have got. That said, no-one expected much out of the first 8 games but identified the easier run that now follows, hence my comment about our season starting now. Win a couple and we are looking upwards but lose them and we start looking down and we have seen many times before how good form that doesn't merit the points they deserves can soon lead to loss of confidence and long losing runs. I don't for one minute think that will happen to us but having seen it all before, it is in the back of my mind given our efforts during the 2nd half of last season. Sunderland is a big game for us next week as are the two that follow v Norwich and QPR. 7-9 points and we will be looking decidedly upwards! Nah Nige - fair points. The lads have worked arrd, but the between now and Christmas is the now the real deal |
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Post by stokie12345 on Oct 20, 2012 21:32:15 GMT
If we are nitpciking, I thought Crouch had a much less effective influence on the game than Walters Completely agree, but where's his thread? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2012 21:34:04 GMT
Talking of "Nige", his interview post match today with TP was embarrassing.
That bloke seriously needs to retire! He must have asked 3 or 4 questions that TP had already answered with his previous comments.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 20, 2012 21:36:30 GMT
Talking of "Nige", his interview post match today with TP was embarrassing. That bloke seriously needs to retire! He must have asked 3 or 4 questions that TP had already answered with his previous comments. Not his fault is it? SCFC media mafia on press - see Acres and Dorsett for definition. That side of SCFC I do not like |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 20, 2012 21:48:18 GMT
Scoring Goals is our big weakness, today defence was way below par , Walters was Walters lots of effort but is not top class, chances like the one he had today need to go in if we are going to beat Man U , Owen looked sharper today and his class can be the difference if he plays regularly.
Big positive was Adam today , if he can play like that consistently he can be a great asset to us. decent start to the season but still lots of work to do but TP has got the players now
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Oct 20, 2012 22:26:11 GMT
Kightly??? The same Kightly who scored right??? Whaaaat?!
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 20, 2012 22:29:44 GMT
Kightly??? The same Kightly who scored right??? Whaaaat?! If he keeps scoring at the rate he is currently he'll have 8 or so goals by the end of the season. Also bear in mind we've played 5 very tough games so far too. But having said that, he's wankety wank, wank. He's had 8 games and I'm writing him off now. ;D I think Pennant leaving has sadly just alienated people further from Kightly. |
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