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Post by lancashirelad on Oct 19, 2012 21:35:59 GMT
Today at 9:17pm, lancashirelad wrote: Though Jones was found innocent, and all clubs have idiots who chant a certain word at him I was at the Stoke V Cardiff game near the dugouts when the young ball boy was assaulted by Hunter the Cardiff No.2 though Jones may not have seen it his reaction to the Stoke fans inflamed the incident. Then Saint Dave Jones accused the Stoke fans in the media and ignored the lead up, thats when I lost all respect for Jones. The lead up didn't make it ok to chant "paedo" at him. Agreed. I did hear a couple in the vicinty chant that and thats when the police reacted, but would not listen to true fans before trying to explain why an innocent ballboy was assaulted. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=display&thread=201221&page=2#ixzz29mbrRHq3
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 21:37:42 GMT
What's Jones done wrong exactly? Are you saying being on a low wage means you don't know the difference between right and wrong? He could afford £20-£30 to get in tonight, couldn't he? The fan who hit Kirkland is fucking scum and wants locking up. Either you didn't hear Dave Jones' post match comments after the game , or you simply don't understand that he would have been much wiser keeping his gob shut...a fact he even realised himself half way through his interview. Go on, enlighten me how what he said was worse than a bloke strolling onto the pitch and twatting somebody for nowt?
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Post by markfitdt on Oct 19, 2012 21:42:49 GMT
Not a very wise comment or move either. tbh mate, I dont think that facebook page will only be linked on this website tonight! That numpty deserves everything he gets.
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Post by prettything on Oct 19, 2012 21:44:12 GMT
Disgusting behaviour..
Bloody hell, though, I've seen Amir Kham take better blows.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 21:46:29 GMT
"tonne of bricks" is what Warnock described it as.
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Post by prettything on Oct 19, 2012 21:46:55 GMT
Khan
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Post by pittshillplotter on Oct 19, 2012 21:47:06 GMT
Either you didn't hear Dave Jones' post match comments after the game , or you simply don't understand that he would have been much wiser keeping his gob shut...a fact he even realised himself half way through his interview. Go on, enlighten me how what he said was worse than a bloke strolling onto the pitch and twatting somebody for nowt? Okay,...The Lad will get a £500 fine and a lifetime ban Dave Jones will get a £15,000 fine. I make that a £14,500 difference....but joking aside , you need to balance your questions with the two mentalities and responsibilities. Only then will you arrive at the correct answer. Who do you think the FA will be most angry with...? You need to reflect and look at things from a broader perspective with the social and professional connotations of guilt.
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Post by padders01 on Oct 19, 2012 21:49:54 GMT
Not a very wise comment or move either. tbh mate, I dont think that facebook page will only be linked on this website tonight! That numpty deserves everything he gets. His name was all over Twitter FB account now shut down
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Post by Titan Uranus on Oct 19, 2012 21:51:53 GMT
My first reaction was he went down a bit too easy...
then seeing it again on replay on the other thread, it was quite a forceful, violent "push" onto his face. Beagrie said it could cause whiplash... I think he's correct.
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Post by prettything on Oct 19, 2012 21:53:01 GMT
I can understand why Dave Jones reacted the way he did.
It's easy for us all to dissect something after the event, but to endure abuse like that, when one has been proved innocent of all charges, well, I know what I would do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 21:54:38 GMT
Go on, enlighten me how what he said was worse than a bloke strolling onto the pitch and twatting somebody for nowt? Okay,...The Lad will get a £500 fine and a lifetime ban Dave Jones will get a £15,000 fine. I make that a £14,500 difference....but joking aside , you need to balance your questions with the two mentalities and responsibilities. Only then will you arrive at the correct answer. Who do you think the FA will be most angry with...? You need to reflect and look at things from a broader respective with the social and professional connotations of guilt. Bullshit mate. For a start, no way is that fan getting off with a slap on the wrist. Second, you still haven't answered the question of why Jones' behaviour is worse. He's been emotional and made some ill-advised comments in response to being provoked. That's not clever, but it's not a crime is it? The bloke who's assaulted Kirkland has committed a crime and is knuckle-dragging scum. How much money you earn doesn't come into it in this case. Assaulting a stranger is a fuckwit's action whether you're worth a million quid or nowt.
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Post by prettything on Oct 19, 2012 21:57:38 GMT
I think you have misread my post.
I was describing the fan who attacked Kirkland as 'disgusting' behaviour, but decided to sprinkle the incident with a bit of irony, that we could all relate to.
Hope that clears things up.
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Post by prettything on Oct 19, 2012 21:58:32 GMT
Oh, he's removed the post.
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Post by pittshillplotter on Oct 19, 2012 21:59:40 GMT
Its worse because he simply should have made a more tactful and less generalised attack on the Leeds fans abuse of him befitting his role as a manager of a Football club. Such comments were/are likely to inflame an already volatile situation. The FA will no doubt point this out to him at a date to be arranged.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 19, 2012 22:04:17 GMT
the sh** Dave Jones has had to put up with is a sign of just how red-top-paper driven this country has become. Guilty until proved innocent, which gives every tool with a computer a bit of power.
Fair play to him. If anyone on this messageboard had to put up with what he has - no matter what salary he is on - they would have snapped long before now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 22:05:27 GMT
Its worse because he simply should have made a more tactful and less generalised attack on the Leeds fans abuse of him befitting his role as a manager of a Football club. Such comments were/are likely to inflame an already volatile situation. The FA will no doubt point this out to him at a date to be arranged. Didn't you generalise about all Yorkshiremen in your first post on the thread? Inflaming the situation or not, he's still only reacting to the violence of some dick who's kicked the whole thing off in the first place through unprovoked assault. If anyone's inflamed anything, it's him. Jones comments weren't too clever, but you're making yourself look daft by defending the mouth breather who hit Kirkland and making Jones the villain of the piece. I'll bet you a tenner the punishment the fan gets is heavier than the one Jones gets. Jones won't be going to prison or doing community service for starters.
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Post by prettything on Oct 19, 2012 22:08:22 GMT
Pittshillpotter
Your not understanding human behaviour when weighing up the situation.
He suffered some horrendous abuse during the game tonight and should not be expected, in any time period or circumstance, to simply accept and remain mute on the subject.
Yeah, he was emotional,and may revise his statement tomorrow...
If my family were to be tainted by that kind of bullshit and then be expected to be 'professional' during the kind of foul mouth tirades he was put through tonight, again, I know what I would do.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 19, 2012 22:09:28 GMT
Pittshillpotter Your not understanding human behaviour when weighing up the situation. He suffered some horrendous abuse during the game tonight and should not be expected, in any time period or circumstance, to simply accept and remain mute on the subject. Yeah, he was emotional,and may revise his statement tomorrow... If my family were to be tainted by that kind of bullshit and then be expected to be 'professional' during the kind of foul mouth tirades he was put through tonight, again, I know what I would do. *nods*
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Post by pittshillplotter on Oct 19, 2012 22:14:27 GMT
Its worse because he simply should have made a more tactful and less generalised attack on the Leeds fans abuse of him befitting his role as a manager of a Football club. Such comments were/are likely to inflame an already volatile situation. The FA will no doubt point this out to him at a date to be arranged. Didn't you generalise about all Yorkshiremen in your first post on the thread? Inflaming the situation or not, he's still only reacting to the violence of some dick who's kicked the whole thing off in the first place through unprovoked assault. If anyone's inflamed anything, it's him. Jones comments weren't too clever, but you're making yourself look daft by defending the mouth breather who hit Kirkland and making Jones the villain of the piece. I'll bet you a tenner the punishment the fan gets is heavier than the one Jones gets. Jones won't be going to prison or doing community service for starters. I'm not defending anyone. I said earlier that I expect the fan to be banned for life.!!... and rightly so. I expect the fans fine to be a minute fraction of any fine that Jones is likely to receive. Its all to do with professional standards of behaviour befitting the role of responsibility however provoked. The chief whip resigned tonight for a similar faux pas...similarities can be drawn. You need to read my original post more carefully.
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Post by pittshillplotter on Oct 19, 2012 22:18:10 GMT
Pittshillpotter Your not understanding human behaviour when weighing up the situation. He suffered some horrendous abuse during the game tonight and should not be expected, in any time period or circumstance, to simply accept and remain mute on the subject. Yeah, he was emotional,and may revise his statement tomorrow... If my family were to be tainted by that kind of bullshit and then be expected to be 'professional' during the kind of foul mouth tirades he was put through tonight, again, I know what I would do. I'm not arguing with any of that , and let me assure you I understand the situation and point you are making 100%. Unfortunately , the same could not be said for the points I am making to you and others. John Terry gets cleared in a court of law ...BUT gets convicted by the FA ....Blah , Blah ,Blah....
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 19, 2012 22:18:11 GMT
the chief whip's resignation was absolutely nothing like what Dave Jones has gone through and is still going through.
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Post by pittshillplotter on Oct 19, 2012 22:20:21 GMT
the chief whip's resignation was absolutely nothing like what Dave Jones has gone through and is still going through. Perhaps not , but its all to do with public image and standards. Why do you think Kenny Dalglish got sacked.?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 22:20:50 GMT
Didn't you generalise about all Yorkshiremen in your first post on the thread? Inflaming the situation or not, he's still only reacting to the violence of some dick who's kicked the whole thing off in the first place through unprovoked assault. If anyone's inflamed anything, it's him. Jones comments weren't too clever, but you're making yourself look daft by defending the mouth breather who hit Kirkland and making Jones the villain of the piece. I'll bet you a tenner the punishment the fan gets is heavier than the one Jones gets. Jones won't be going to prison or doing community service for starters. I'm not defending anyone. I said earlier that I expect the fan to be banned for life.!!... and rightly so. I expect the fans fine to be a minute fraction of any fine that Jones is likely to receive. Its all to do with professional standards of behaviour befitting the role of responsibility however provoked. The chief whip resigned tonight for a similar faux pas...similarities can be drawn. You need to read my original post more carefully. Your original post suggests that unprovoked violence is 'par for the course' and that the real villain of the piece is a man who has been put through hell through false accusations and had to put up with fans taunting him about it and one of his players being assaulted, and in the heat of the moment has made some silly comments. Jones hasn't covered himself in glory, but his reaction is far more understandable than the mindless quim who attacked Kirkland, and their respective positions don't come into it.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 19, 2012 22:24:30 GMT
the chief whip's resignation was absolutely nothing like what Dave Jones has gone through and is still going through. Perhaps not , but its all to do with public image and standards. Why do you think Kenny Dalglish got sacked.? because he's sh**?
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Post by pittshillplotter on Oct 19, 2012 22:27:59 GMT
Historically Yorkshire and Leeds United is a hotspot for football hooliganism and racist issues. To suggest otherwise would be extreme folly.
Unprovoked violence has always been rife between fans , as I once witnessed during the mid 70's when Leeds were in town . Stoke were no angels either , but I digress. I could name half a dozen other serial offenders quite easily.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 22:28:50 GMT
Historically Yorkshire and Leeds United is a hotspot for football hooliganism and racist issues. To suggest otherwise would be extreme folly. Unprovoked violence has always been rife between fans , as I once witnessed during the mid 70's when Leeds were in town . Stoke were no angels either , but I digress. I could name half a dozen other serial offenders quite easily. So what?
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Oct 19, 2012 22:28:56 GMT
Jesus. From what i've seen tonight on tv... and on here... I really do despair...
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Post by pittshillplotter on Oct 19, 2012 22:30:26 GMT
Historically Yorkshire and Leeds United is a hotspot for football hooliganism and racist issues. To suggest otherwise would be extreme folly. Unprovoked violence has always been rife between fans , as I once witnessed during the mid 70's when Leeds were in town . Stoke were no angels either , but I digress. I could name half a dozen other serial offenders quite easily. So what? I hope you're good for that Tenner.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 22:33:38 GMT
I hope you're good for that Tenner. I'll happily pay up if you're right, but if you are it'll be the most depressing bet I've ever lost, because it'll be yet more evidence that football has its priorities totally wrong.
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Post by prettything on Oct 19, 2012 22:42:02 GMT
Exactly, so what.
It all depends where your priorities lie.
Me, I do love banter between football fans, and think we are among the best at it.
Personally, I draw a line at the Munich, Racist, pedophile, predictably bad taste shit that some people come out with during match day.
But thats just me..
Each to their own and all that
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