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Post by bristolpotter on Sept 24, 2012 6:22:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 6:29:07 GMT
The 'murderers, murderers' chant is terrible and really pushing it too far. But as for the victims bit, how is that any different to Liverpool, Man City and even us, (pathetically) chanting about Munich?
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 24, 2012 6:38:59 GMT
Lots wrong on so many levels.
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 24, 2012 7:00:21 GMT
Vile just vile.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 24, 2012 7:36:54 GMT
One of the greatest managers the game has known pens an open letter to the fans virtually begging them to conduct themselves with some human decency and consequently honour the history of both clubs and they do that? A stain on any club let alone a club that gave the game figures of the nobility and grace of Charlton,Busby (who played for Liverpool!)etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 7:58:34 GMT
Although I did not like the songs, what i did like was the subtitles...I have been calling for this for ages, subtitles so that people watching on TV can make out what the crowd are singing...
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 24, 2012 7:58:38 GMT
One of the greatest managers the game has known pens an open letter to the fans virtually begging them to conduct themselves with some human decency and consequently honour the history of both clubs and they do that? A stain on any club let alone a club that gave the game figures of the nobility and grace of Charlton,Busby (who played for Liverpool!)etc. The sad thing is your not rationalising with normal people. They're idiots who have no respect and actually have some twisted belief they're funny and think they're doing what every Man you fan thinks. Let's not forget we live in a country where Some people champion Raoul Mote and Dale Cregan and take pleasure in rioting and smashing up businesses out of respect for a shot gangster who carries a gun. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 8:32:23 GMT
One of the greatest managers the game has known pens an open letter to the fans virtually begging them to conduct themselves with some human decency and consequently honour the history of both clubs and they do that? A stain on any club let alone a club that gave the game figures of the nobility and grace of Charlton,Busby (who played for Liverpool!)etc. The sad thing is your not rationalising with normal people. They're idiots who have no respect and actually have some twisted belief they're funny and think they're doing what every Man you fan thinks. Let's not forget we live in a country where Some people champion Raoul Mote and Dale Cregan and take pleasure in rioting and smashing up businesses out of respect for a shot gangster who carries a gun. +1 Lots and lots and lots of people - in Ingerlund and abroad - are stupider than a stupid-thing on Lets All Be Stupid Day. I do think some of the reaction, to some of the chants, is OTT - the commentator was moaning about the "Sign On" song, towards the end of the match, saying it was "vitriolic". You're going to end up watching Golf if you start condemning chants that are as unhurtful as that one. "Murderers, Murderers", yeah that is way out of order. But only seen as out of order by anyone with a bit more in the brains department than a lot of football fans have managed to collect. Because of it's history, as the Working Mans' Game, football has always attracted more than its fair share of nutters ... indeed, it is very possible to argue that football fans deserved reputation for being stupid-animals - in the decade and more proceeding Hillsborough - is what helped lead to the circumstances surrounding the actual event. I thought the stuff done just before Kick-Off - while the world was watching - was well done and was treated with a decent level of respect by the vast majority in the ground. I think standing about in a virtually empty stadium, singing naughty songs at the cleaners, is just at the right level for those who were involved. Pointless condemning all manure fans for the behaviour of some ... Just as its pointless to blame any wider-group for the behaviour of a minority of their number. |
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Post by deathrowtechno on Sept 24, 2012 8:58:57 GMT
Rats
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Post by redsy on Sept 24, 2012 9:08:29 GMT
Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't this all started by a couple of idiots in the main stand running towards the United fans making aeroplane gestures?
Not that I condone it in any way.
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Post by stokienorthants on Sept 24, 2012 10:13:33 GMT
Whilst agreeing with all the previous posters we should not get too self righteous.
I am sure there is something on You Tube showing some of our supporters singing'' Where've your miners gone?'' (to the tune of chirpy chirpy cheep cheep) just before the away game at Swansea last season and after the tragic loss of several coal miners.
Let him without sin................
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Post by stokiedj on Sept 24, 2012 10:29:19 GMT
I dont know how anyone can justify singing about people who have died and make fun out of it, specially those in our football family. What would these thugs do if someone mocked one of there family members if they died? It makes me sick that i have to share a football ground with these bellends, we have our fair share at stoke too who sing these songs, as posted above. Vile people
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Post by DannyStokie on Sept 24, 2012 10:30:48 GMT
We get moaned at for singing,"he's only got one leg" etc which I think is stupid, the lad never died, he just broke his leg but whatever.
Obviously this is only a small number of idiots, I feel sorry for the decent people there, as it has happened at stoke and its horrible to have to sit with these morons.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 10:42:08 GMT
I dont know how anyone can justify singing about people who have died and make fun out of it, specially those in our football family. What would these thugs do if someone mocked one of there family members if they died? It makes me sick that i have to share a football ground with these bellends, we have our fair share at stoke too who sing these songs, as posted above. Vile people I agree with that about stoke singing munich songs. really don't understand why we got involved in that, lpool and man you scum chant vile stuff about each others catastrophys. why stoke feel the need to join in i never understand. man you have a rep for being absolute twats about other footballs dark moments (the two leeds fans who got stabed, hillsbourough ect). however after seeing the footage of the game. from what i saw, lpools scum got thrown out for making aeroplane gestures to the man you fans who had been as respectful as you could expect up until that point. for lpool "fans" to do that on such a massive occasion is terrible. the song "always the victims" to me was a reaction that would be expected when provocked by a lpool fans who are claiming to be victims of a terrible cover up but yet sing about victims of an air crash. "murderer, murderer" was just fucking vile on all levels these scum have always and will always attend matches for as long as i can remember. you carn't police everyone at a game. so what to do?????????? |
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Post by stokiedj on Sept 24, 2012 10:46:22 GMT
I think the genuine people should help out the police and bring these thugs to justice. Cctv is in the stadiums too so shouldnt be that hard. Like i said mate id like see these thugs get mocked on family members that have died etc.
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Post by stantheman on Sept 24, 2012 10:50:58 GMT
The song about being "always the victims" was actulally started by Everton fans many years ago about their red neighbours.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 24, 2012 11:30:14 GMT
Before the game there was obvious significance in the great Bobby Charlton taking the flowers out onto the pitch.
The greatest British manager ever, their manager, feels the need to make a statement asking people not to celebrate deaths.
They ignore Charlton's gesture and their manager's request and chant it anyway.
What goes in peoples heads that they think that is all right? In 1957 Manchester United fans were involved in a serious crushing incident at Hillsborough.
Campaigners for supporters rights like like Malcolm and Monica must wonder why they bother sometimes.
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Post by rlcstokie on Sept 24, 2012 11:38:59 GMT
Horrible chants that are obviously not very nice to have to listen to, especially for those effected by the events, but we will always get these kinds of people and songs at the footy, always have, always will unfortunately. Any one that's a regular on Stoke away days will be well aware that Stoke fans are no different.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 24, 2012 11:39:38 GMT
Before the game there was obvious significance in the great Bobby Charlton taking the flowers out onto the pitch. The greatest British manager ever, their manager, feels the need to make a statement asking people not to celebrate deaths. They ignore Charlton's gesture and their manager's request and chant it anyway. What goes in peoples heads that they think that is all right? In 1957 Manchester United fans were involved in a serious crushing incident at Hillsborough. Campaigners for supporters rights like like Malcolm and Monica must wonder why they bother sometimes. Absolutely spot on Jo.Fergie wasn't even trying to negate the rivalry that exists between the two clubs- merely reiterating his belief (shared by the majority of football fans,) that the basis of that competitiveness should be what all genuine fans of the game go to worship each week: the football. |
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Post by padders01 on Sept 24, 2012 11:42:06 GMT
I've seen hundreds of Stoke fans sing the Harry Roberts song
Unfortunately all clubs have some low life "fans"
It really is a sad society we live in
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 24, 2012 12:25:39 GMT
It is all very sad really. Manure fans couldn't even respect the anthem and tribute at the start of the game, singing there merry way through the tributes.
The chants during the game, goading the Liverpool fans to respond, we equally vile but the songs at the end are unforgivable really and the coverage on SSN shows that it is the vast majority of the away support singing those songs.
It is simply very sad and shows exactly why gloryhunting bastards from both clubs are despised in the way they are. They simply aren't proper football fans and they have something intrinsincally wrong with them, hence the aren't even proper human beings.
Gloryhunters are the scum of the football earth and they proved it again yesterday!
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Post by rlcstokie on Sept 24, 2012 12:47:57 GMT
It is all very sad really. Manure fans couldn't even respect the anthem and tribute at the start of the game, singing there merry way through the tributes. The chants during the game, goading the Liverpool fans to respond, we equally vile but the songs at the end are unforgivable really and the coverage on SSN shows that it is the vast majority of the away support singing those songs. It is simply very sad and shows exactly why gloryhunting bastards from both clubs are despised in the way they are. They simply aren't proper football fans and they have something intrinsincally wrong with them, hence the aren't even proper human beings. Gloryhunters are the scum of the football earth and they proved it again yesterday! Agree with what you are saying but its not a Manure or a 'glory hunting' problem. Most clubs have fans that sing these songs. Most of the Brit was singing the Munich song a couple of seasons ago when we played Manure, the Harry Roberts song, along with many other 'offensive' chants is often sung by Stokies when away from home, it's not just the glory hunting tossers from Manure, its a footy problem not a Manure problem. All clubs have these kinds of people that attend home and away matches |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 24, 2012 13:02:13 GMT
I love how they focused on United fans. Liverpool fans were apparently doing munich chants before the game I heard, so I'm not sure they are blameless.
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Post by stokeloyal on Sept 24, 2012 13:33:48 GMT
Both as bad as each other.... in the clip though i only really see an issue with the "murders" chant... The other two aren't that offensive in my opinion.
In fact "wheres your famous Munich songs?" is a valid question highlighting that they are both twats.
I also don't see the problem with singing whilst they sung YNWA ... I couldn't here anything offensive just songs supporting there team. Stokies go and out sing YNWA ever year so why would the shit not give it ago.
It's sad that people can't see the line in the sand but it has and will continue to go on so rise above it and do your bit by not being a one cell'd Muppet.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 24, 2012 13:40:11 GMT
I appreciate that it is not a gloryhunting problem RLC and we have our own moronic element that delight in singing Munich songs themselves. They are idiots...the lot of them.
However, given the significance of the occasion, I am sure that even if only for 1 day, right minded football supporters would behave themselves. Look how Man City fans behaved at the Theatre of Shite on the Munich anniversary! Proper football fans behaved properly.
In this instance, you had the two biggest bunch of gloryhunting wankers on the planet. Is it any surprise that elements of both sets of support cannot behave themselves for even one day?
Hence my comments about this particular occasion! Look how Stoke City and Man City supporters responded to our own show of support about the Hillsborough tragedy?
I would expect no less of these two clubs in all honesty. Both contain the biggest percentage of absolute wankers of the highest order when it comes to "football supporting" and I use that term loosely in the case of this two clubs.
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Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Sept 24, 2012 14:33:25 GMT
I dont know how anyone can justify singing about people who have died and make fun out of it, specially those in our football family. What would these thugs do if someone mocked one of there family members if they died? It makes me sick that i have to share a football ground with these bellends, we have our fair share at stoke too who sing these songs, as posted above. Vile people I agree with that about stoke singing munich songs. really don't understand why we got involved in that, lpool and man you scum chant vile stuff about each others catastrophys. why stoke feel the need to join in i never understand. It's the easiest way to get a rise out of other supporters. I don't condone it, it makes me sick and embarrassed.... but I understand why people resort to it. Scum being scum. |
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Post by sportsman on Sept 24, 2012 14:35:51 GMT
A report earlier said that it started after the game when a Liverpool fan started waving a model aeroplane around at the united fans. They reacted with abuse and on from there.
Idiots on both sides and as said before at most clubs. You'd think yesterday there should be loads of camera footage of the fans yesterday.
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Post by Stephen Frys' Ring on Sept 24, 2012 14:44:18 GMT
At least no one wished Mark Halsey got throat cancer again.......... oh hold on that would be Liverpool scum yesterday on twitter .............always the victims it's never our fault..............f*ck'em dirty bindipping c*nters  Every team has scum,that is all  |
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Post by bodd on Sept 24, 2012 14:56:33 GMT
hillsbrough was a terrible time in football history but Boris Johnson was right about scourers and there thriving on grief .hillsbrough was a Liverpool tragedy why do we all need to get it rammed down our through ts every time they play
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Post by sportsman on Sept 24, 2012 15:14:22 GMT
Heard about that re. Halsey. Shocking that is. Scum
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