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Post by Gordon Marshall on Sept 23, 2012 20:48:29 GMT
Well said onesirstan it is time we moved on. Personally i think the Old guard of gerrard , lampard etc should step aside now and we concentrate on france 2016 to get a team that is up and coming to give them experience. Hopefully get to brazil on the way. Rooney, hart should stay bring in richards right back etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2012 20:48:38 GMT
Good riddance, now bring in Shawcross! Won't happen though
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 23, 2012 20:54:31 GMT
I think my favourite memory of John Terry was when he was mauled around the Britannia Stadium by Mama, not winning a single thing against him all game. In fact, he was performing so ineptly that he resorted to rolling around on the floor pretending that Sidibe had elbowed him in the face, so as to get him sent off.
That's John Terry all over. A shit, over-rated cheat who will be soon forgotten when he calls time on his playing career.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Sept 23, 2012 20:56:05 GMT
This should mean shawcross will be close to a call up, Or possibly this mean's upson could be in with a chance. ??? ???
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 23, 2012 20:58:38 GMT
Very true MD. I often refer to that game as proof positive that not only is JT pretty wank but that he is also soft as shit as well.
Hardman my arse!
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Post by st3mark on Sept 23, 2012 20:59:21 GMT
Best England centre half since Tony Adams. Best English centre half in the league by a distance. An already weak England team just got weaker. A potentially devestating blow to our world cup qualification campaign, and people are happy about it.
Because "he's a knob"
Some great performances for England from him that i'm thankful for. In a generation of bottlers he was one of the few who you could count on.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 23, 2012 21:05:59 GMT
Very true MD. I often refer to that game as proof positive that not only is JT pretty wank but that he is also soft as shit as well. Hardman my arse! It really does make me laugh. It did the first time, anyway. Seeing him referred to as a 'leader' and a 'hardman' is now just pitiful beyond belief. Both of those images seem to have come from the fact that he screams at referees like the vile little goblin that he is and undermines the authority of his manager on a routine basis. What a toss excuse for a centre-back he is. Note that when he plays for Chelsea, he never contests a single header outside of the penalty area unless he's forced into it. He always retreats and lets one of his superior team-mates deal with it. He's just a weak, spineless no-mark. He should never have played for England after his failed coup in the 2010 World Cup and should definitely have been jettisoned after his humiliation against Germany in the same tournament. Today is a very good day for English football. One of its biggest liabilities, guaranteed a place on the teamsheet purely by his name and reputation, has fallen on his sword at long last. It's a massive step forward for the international side.
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Post by stokiedj on Sept 23, 2012 21:13:58 GMT
Best England centre half since Tony Adams. Best English centre half in the league by a distance. An already weak England team just got weaker. A potentially devestating blow to our world cup qualification campaign, and people are happy about it. Because "he's a knob" Some great performances for England from him that i'm thankful for. In a generation of bottlers he was one of the few who you could count on. Couldnt agree more, he has been great for england and should be judged on his ON the pitch england performance.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 23, 2012 21:16:03 GMT
Best England centre half since Tony Adams. Best English centre half in the league by a distance. An already weak England team just got weaker. A potentially devestating blow to our world cup qualification campaign, and people are happy about it. Because "he's a knob" Some great performances for England from him that i'm thankful for. In a generation of bottlers he was one of the few who you could count on. Couldnt agree more, he has been great for england and should be judged on his ON the pitch england performance. I am. He's shit.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 23, 2012 21:26:02 GMT
I'm with you all the way MD. Everything that you have written on this matter is identical to my own views on Terry.
I used to watch England regularly before we got promoted and I could see then that Terry wasn't as good as he was being cracked up to be. The same was true of Frank "Mr Deflection" Lampard.
I then saw him with my own eyes against our own rag bag team and saw him mauled to death by Mama exactly as you described above. I also saw him pass the responsibility for marking Fuller at Stamford Bridge to his superior team-mates.
In a superb Chelsea performance at the Brit in that first season, he was absolutely shit as Mama, of all people, gave him a torrid time.
I will happily judge Terry by his behavior and performances on the pitch. His behavior is invariably a disgrace and his performances, for a player who is supposed to be so good, are pretty shambolic if you actually watch the game closely.
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Post by RAF on Sept 23, 2012 21:30:41 GMT
Rio Ferdinand, as thoroughly loathsome a character he is, is simply not shite. I only commented today about what a good player he was/is. Ferdinand makes Manure better and he played very well today, as he normally always does when fit. Ferdinand is miles better than Terry and he should have gone to the Euro's rather than Terry, who is massively over-rated and if the truth be told, is actually pretty shit. Put Terry in our side, where he would have to defend properly every week and you would see how bad he is. Great news that he has quit international football. He should have been dropped long before now. Rio Ferdinand has been an overrated pile of shit for three seasons, I'm actually shocked that you think any differnt Johnno. In fact if anyone needs to fuck off from International duty , it's him not Terry. Of course his huge ego won't let him. H
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 23, 2012 21:32:00 GMT
I remember the working over Mama gave him like it was yesterday, very amusing. He wasn't wank but I would say 78 caps was 70 too many.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 23, 2012 21:32:37 GMT
we have gone through a vile state of gerry mandering/ethnic cleansing/class war & after the likes of norman tebbit says that its stupid that the south yorkshire police were in the pockets of the blue meanies is a bo!!ocks. That event has changed footie 4 ever. The liverpool fans payed £6 for a ticket that day 4 a semi final. What did you pay for your semi agains bolton. Working class kids cant afford to go the the footie, stand on the terrace with their mates & be a part of a tradition, but that dont matter 2 your top 4, cause they were never a part of the local community. Plastic twats. Terry can have it all, cause as far as I'm concerned its war & if you think differently youre deluded or plastic. Wake up & have a look...
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Post by fortressbritannia on Sept 23, 2012 21:35:43 GMT
It's now or never for Shawcross now then.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 23, 2012 21:36:45 GMT
Rio Ferdinand, as thoroughly loathsome a character he is, is simply not shite. I only commented today about what a good player he was/is. Ferdinand makes Manure better and he played very well today, as he normally always does when fit. Ferdinand is miles better than Terry and he should have gone to the Euro's rather than Terry, who is massively over-rated and if the truth be told, is actually pretty shit. Put Terry in our side, where he would have to defend properly every week and you would see how bad he is. Great news that he has quit international football. He should have been dropped long before now. Rio Ferdinand has been an overrated pile of shit for three seasons H This is also true. 81 caps for what I could only fathom was being rather quick for a defender but having the positional sense of a crisp packet in a hurricane.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 23, 2012 21:37:44 GMT
Sadly RAF, as much as I would love to say he is shit, Ferdinand is actually a very good defender.
He handled Suarez superbly today and generaly, when he is fit, he plays well. Rio always handled Fuller well and when we play Manure, I'm more confident of our chances if he isn't playing.
Based purely on what I have watched, Ferdinand is a good player and is way superior to anything that John Terry has to offer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2012 21:39:09 GMT
we have gone through a vile state of gerry mandering/ethnic cleansing/class war & after the likes of norman tebbit says that its stupid that the south yorkshire police were in the pockets of the blue meanies is a bo!!ocks. That event has changed footie 4 ever. The liverpool fans payed £6 for a ticket that day 4 a semi final. What did you pay for your semi agains bolton. Working class kids cant afford to go the the footie, stand on the terrace with their mates & be a part of a tradition, but that dont matter 2 your top 4, cause they were never a part of the local community. Plastic twats. Terry can have it all, cause as far as I'm concerned its war & if you think differently youre deluded or plastic. Wake up & have a look... What on earth are you talking about ?
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Post by RAF on Sept 23, 2012 21:40:13 GMT
Sadly RAF, as much as I would love to say he is shit, Ferdinand is actually a very good defender. He handled Suarez superbly today and generaly, when he is fit, he plays well. Rio always handled Fuller well and when we play Manure, I'm more confident of our chances if he isn't playing. Based purely on what I have watched, Ferdinand is a good player and is way superior to anything that John Terry has to offer. We will have to disagree and I think you are wrong. I've seen utter piles of shit nullify Fuller, and also seen class been turned inside out by him, that was his nature. H
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Post by denman on Sept 23, 2012 21:43:11 GMT
It funny how people judge a players ability and performances because of the tabloids. Face it, most of you are daily mail, sun reading pieces of shit who don't know anything about football if you call John Terry wank.
The difference in the way you slag players off since promotion and indifference to the England team is very telling. Its actually become embarrassing.
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Post by mailman44 on Sept 23, 2012 21:43:22 GMT
Fuck off Terry you criminal bell end fuckwitt +1
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 23, 2012 21:44:55 GMT
We sure will, though I have just noticed that your Ferdinand comments were followed with the "for the past 3 seasons" comment.
That bit may be true given the injuries that he has had but during the last quarter of last season, he seemed to be playing really well.
Ferdinand was brilliant today and we are always likely to have more of a chance against them when he doesn't play.
I can't stand either Terry or Ferdinand but reluctantly accept that Rio is a very good defender.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 23, 2012 21:46:38 GMT
Whoooowhaaaahhh
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 23, 2012 21:48:21 GMT
He helped Walters stay on yesterday by constraining him along with Cameron, when John was going for Luiz post tackle. Did not need to and all that
Just a small brownie point in a sea of very little
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Post by onionman on Sept 23, 2012 21:49:31 GMT
John Terry was shown up as inadequate and laughably overrated in Euro 2004.
Then he was a central figure in the embarrassing teams of 2006 and 2008 that were just about more famous for their girlfriends than their underachievement on the pitch.
Then he had his failed coup in 2010 while being utterly humiliated on the pitch.
Finally he was dire again in 2012 when Ibrahimovic tore him apart in the first few minutes of a match, causing him to hide the rest of the game.
The standout moment of his England career was when he cheated by clearing the ball from behind the line.
Saying he's been a good player for England is madness.
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Post by RAF on Sept 23, 2012 21:52:04 GMT
We sure will, though I have just noticed that your Ferdinand comments were followed with the "for the past 3 seasons" comment. That bit may be true given the injuries that he has had but during the last quarter of last season, he seemed to be playing really well. Ferdinand was brilliant today and we are always likely to have more of a chance against them when he doesn't play. I can't stand either Terry or Ferdinand but reluctantly accept that Rio is a very good defender. We obviously watched a different game, again I will offer the ' we will have to disagree on this one' comment. H
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 23, 2012 21:54:14 GMT
denman...ironically, it is probably the sun reading, daily mail reading population that actually fall for the hype and bullshit and think that he is a braveheart collossos of a defender. Those that read a real paper rather than simply looking at the pictures can probably identify and differentiate between fact and fiction quite easily. Terry is a fraud and is as overhyped player as I have ever had the misfortune of laying eyes on. I don't need to read any paper to think he is nowhere near as good as he has been made out to be by our tabloid, tub thumping press.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 23, 2012 21:55:47 GMT
Ferdinand was outstanding today and simply is a world away from that 5-haircuts-in-1 utter bulb.
At present, Ryan is the best English centre half as a defender - no question. If he is continually ignored its ace for us but shows how sh** and corrupt tyhe system is.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 23, 2012 22:31:05 GMT
When England next play away,the players need to worry,with Terry not been with them,they will be wondering what Terry is up with their WAGS back home.
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Post by denman on Sept 23, 2012 22:31:41 GMT
denman...ironically, it is probably the sun reading, daily mail reading population that actually fall for the hype and bullshit and think that he is a braveheart collossos of a defender. Those that read a real paper rather than simply looking at the pictures can probably identify and differentiate between fact and fiction quite easily. Terry is a fraud and is as overhyped player as I have ever had the misfortune of laying eyes on. I don't need to read any paper to think he is nowhere near as good as he has been made out to be by our tabloid, tub thumping press. The hype applies to all England players. Also looking at how long he has served Chelsea at the top level and managers he served under I hardly think you can call him a fraud and complete hype job. But hey you know better than the likes of Mourhino and Ancelotti.
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Post by onionman on Sept 23, 2012 22:44:39 GMT
Much as I'm glad he's retired, the reasoning he gives is disgusting.
To suggest he's an innocent man unfairly being persecuted is disingenuous in the extreme when he knows he no longer has the luxury of a legal loophole to avoid being banged to rights by the blatant evidence of his racist behaviour which the entire world has seen.
It's nothing more than a desperate attempt to quit on his own terms, instead of having his career ending in disgrace, dressing himself up as a victim instead of the vile man he really is.
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