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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 15:49:30 GMT
Are Leicester planning for life in the 1st. Div, next season then? I think last night was conclusive proof he ain't good enough to compete at Div 1 (3) levels, if he is lucky he might end up at the Vale one day, simply not good enough should never have played in the Premiere League end of, better Shot(ton) of him he's a liability on and off a football pitch.
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Post by spitshaw on Aug 29, 2012 15:52:28 GMT
i reckon he reads this, and this along with all the abuse he gets on facebook/twitter must have really really done his confidence in, hence why hes gotten loads shitter as the months have gone on.
poor lad- hope he finds his feet better in championship
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2012 15:52:40 GMT
Just mentioning them in the same breath was stupid. And it was rightly ridiculed. To me anyone that tries to use it as yet another shit stick to beat the manager down is stupid and then some. I aren't using as a stick to beat him with though. I just think it was stupid and things like that don't help his cause when it comes to what people think of him. They will think he's a bit a daft bastard to make the comparison. At this moment in time, I don't want Pulis sacked. I just think he needs to give his a head wobble.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 29, 2012 15:52:58 GMT
He was beyond awful last night. I don't think he's good enough for prem level either. Although the bloke behind me in the Boothen last night calling him a black c**t was a bit out of order to say the least. Did you persuade the bloke behind you to stop shouting racist abuse - or did you call the stewards into evict him, as a matter of interest?
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Post by superstokie23 on Aug 29, 2012 15:58:22 GMT
i reckon he reads this, and this along with all the abuse he gets on facebook/twitter must have really really done his confidence in, hence why hes gotten loads shitter as the months have gone on. poor lad- hope he finds his feet better in championship Confidence or no confidence, he's not good enough And if he gives a toss what a bunch of blokes on an internet forum think then he's in the wrong profession
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 29, 2012 16:00:30 GMT
That will do him good.
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 29, 2012 16:49:10 GMT
i reckon he reads this, and this along with all the abuse he gets on facebook/twitter must have really really done his confidence in, hence why hes gotten loads shitter as the months have gone on. poor lad- hope he finds his feet better in championship Confidence or no confidence, he's not good enough And if he gives a toss what a bunch of blokes on an internet forum think then he's in the wrong profession I was all against people slating him on twitter, it wasn't on. However the Oatie is a fans forum and if you're shite don't come on here expecting people to be thinking about feelings. The Oatcake is for fans not players.
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Post by superstokie23 on Aug 29, 2012 16:51:32 GMT
Confidence or no confidence, he's not good enough And if he gives a toss what a bunch of blokes on an internet forum think then he's in the wrong profession I was all against people slating him on twitter, it wasn't on. However the Oatie is a fans forum and if you're shite don't come on here expecting people to be thinking about feelings. The Oatcake is for fans not players. Definitely, on here we expect it to be away from the club/players/staff, like a pub of sorts However, on Twitter, you're directly aiming abuse with intent which is just plain cowardly and wrong But, again, the main fact is him not being good enough and, in football, that's all that matters. The club has to come first, not how lovely Ryan Shotton's personality is (which is questionable after he allegedly twatted someone up town)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2012 16:52:45 GMT
Confidence or no confidence, he's not good enough And if he gives a toss what a bunch of blokes on an internet forum think then he's in the wrong profession I was all against people slating him on twitter, it wasn't on. However the Oatie is a fans forum and if you're shite don't come on here expecting people to be thinking about feelings. The Oatcake is for fans not players. Yup, totally agree with that.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 29, 2012 16:58:47 GMT
If he was compared to Bale in football terms,maybe they meant Christian Bale. ;D
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Post by stokeloyal on Aug 29, 2012 17:14:18 GMT
If he'd come up through the leauges not had money throw at him and not been chucked in at the deep end / used incorrectly he may have stood a chance but frankly he's not even close to prem standard . Local lad but i'll be glad to see the back of him. Erm, he came up through the leagues (via loans). He hardly learned his trade, how old is he now? and he's been in and around stokes first team for a year or so? I know thats how it works these days but to me he's clearly been dumped into a prem side well before he was ready (if indeed he ever would have been)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2012 17:17:18 GMT
Erm, he came up through the leagues (via loans). He hardly learned his trade, how old is he now? and he's been in and around stokes first team for a year or so? I know thats how it works these days but to me he's clearly been dumped into a prem side well before he was ready (if indeed he ever would have been) He's 24 in October. He played a season in the Conference, a season in League One and then a season in the Championship. That's 90ish games progressing up the pyramid. And at all of the clubs he was he got good reviews. The next step was the Premier League. I don't think he's been dumped in it too early at all, we've handled him well imo. He's just not good enough for this level at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 17:17:45 GMT
Time to get rid of the arrogant talentless tosser! The blokes trouble, and the last thing we need is him in our squad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 18:30:44 GMT
Time to get rid of the arrogant talentless tosser! The blokes trouble, and the last thing we need is him in our squad. I see that you have to have met Mr Shotton then, I would concur 100% in your summing up, time to move him out for all concerened.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 29, 2012 18:36:01 GMT
He hardly learned his trade, how old is he now? and he's been in and around stokes first team for a year or so? I know thats how it works these days but to me he's clearly been dumped into a prem side well before he was ready (if indeed he ever would have been) He's 24 in October. He played a season in the Conference, a season in League One and then a season in the Championship. That's 90ish games progressing up the pyramid. And at all of the clubs he was he got good reviews. The next step was the Premier League. I don't think he's been dumped in it too early at all, we've handled him well imo. He's just not good enough for this level at the moment. Absolutely. He did well at every level and deserved his chance in the Premiership. Not every player who looks decent at Championship level will make the step up, but some will. TP had to give him a chance otherwise we could have had another Marshall situation on our hands. As it turns out, he isn't quite good enough. Sell him for 750k now and everyone's a winner really aren't they?
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 29, 2012 18:36:55 GMT
He's 24 in October. He played a season in the Conference, a season in League One and then a season in the Championship. That's 90ish games progressing up the pyramid. And at all of the clubs he was he got good reviews. The next step was the Premier League. I don't think he's been dumped in it too early at all, we've handled him well imo. He's just not good enough for this level at the moment. Absolutely. He did well at every level and deserved his chance in the Premiership. Not every player who looks decent at Championship level will make the step up, but some will. TP had to give him a chance otherwise we could have had another Marshall situation on our hands. As it turns out, he isn't quite good enough. Sell him for 750k now and everyone's a winner really aren't they? Yep. Do the right thing PC. Thanks and good luck Ryan.
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Post by mica on Aug 29, 2012 18:47:20 GMT
That is not a comparison to Bale except to say that Shotton might change position like Bale did! If you think he's saying Shotton is/will be as good as Bale you need to go back to school and learn English.
He's a local boy. No doubt he's done his best. Give him support and a decent send-off instead of knocking him.
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Post by droz on Aug 29, 2012 18:51:42 GMT
He's 24 in October. He played a season in the Conference, a season in League One and then a season in the Championship. That's 90ish games progressing up the pyramid. And at all of the clubs he was he got good reviews. The next step was the Premier League. I don't think he's been dumped in it too early at all, we've handled him well imo. He's just not good enough for this level at the moment. Absolutely. He did well at every level and deserved his chance in the Premiership. Not every player who looks decent at Championship level will make the step up, but some will. TP had to give him a chance otherwise we could have had another Marshall situation on our hands. As it turns out, he isn't quite good enough. Sell him for 750k now and everyone's a winner really aren't they? Spot-on, Trouser.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2012 18:55:04 GMT
He's 24 in October. He played a season in the Conference, a season in League One and then a season in the Championship. That's 90ish games progressing up the pyramid. And at all of the clubs he was he got good reviews. The next step was the Premier League. I don't think he's been dumped in it too early at all, we've handled him well imo. He's just not good enough for this level at the moment. Absolutely. He did well at every level and deserved his chance in the Premiership. Not every player who looks decent at Championship level will make the step up, but some will. TP had to give him a chance otherwise we could have had another Marshall situation on our hands. As it turns out, he isn't quite good enough. Sell him for 750k now and everyone's a winner really aren't they? Yup. And who knows, maybe one day he'll be good enough for the Premier League but for now at Stoke he never will be. Good luck to him.
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Post by Northy on Aug 29, 2012 18:59:49 GMT
Ryan knows he's not good enough for the Premier League, he is getting paid £780k a year + bonuses for 4 years, for a lad like Ryan that kind of money can create MASSIVE distractions, which it has. I would be very suprised if Ryan even gets (wants) another professional contract after this one runs out. Shame really as he has bags and bags of talent. Holy Mary, Mother of God. clucking bells isn't good enough for that statement fookin hell not prem standard, was liked at Tranmere in league one, maybe that's his level? Thankful for the goal away at West Brom last season
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 19:04:16 GMT
Absolutely. He did well at every level and deserved his chance in the Premiership. Not every player who looks decent at Championship level will make the step up, but some will. TP had to give him a chance otherwise we could have had another Marshall situation on our hands. As it turns out, he isn't quite good enough. Sell him for 750k now and everyone's a winner really aren't they? Yup. And who knows, maybe one day he'll be good enough for the Premier League but for now at Stoke he never will be. Good luck to him. Agree good luck though to be honest he has had plenty of that, he has been aloud to play competitive football in what is reportedly one of the best leagues in the world by Stoke. Players such as Marshall and Ben Foster were not given as many if any opportunities to represent the club at first team level in the league, both arguably had better credentials than Shotton both were dispatched by Pulis. I honestly do not think this lad will ever kick a ball in the Premiere League for the rest of his footballing career, he is not now and likely never will be to play at that level.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2012 19:09:12 GMT
Yup. And who knows, maybe one day he'll be good enough for the Premier League but for now at Stoke he never will be. Good luck to him. Agree good luck though to be honest he has had plenty of that, he has been aloud to play competitive football in what is reportedly one of the best leagues in the world by Stoke. Players such as Marshall and Ben Foster were not given as many if any opportunities to represent the club at first team level in the league, both arguably had better credentials than Shotton both were dispatched by Pulis. I honestly do not think this lad will ever kick a ball in the Premiere League for the rest of his footballing career, he is not now and likely never will be to play at that level. I know, You're preaching at the wrong one here! Although I do think it was right with Foster, we had better 'keepers at the time and the money we got for him helped us get promoted. Nor do I in all honesty but stranger things have happened.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 29, 2012 19:32:56 GMT
He's 24 in October. He played a season in the Conference, a season in League One and then a season in the Championship. That's 90ish games progressing up the pyramid. And at all of the clubs he was he got good reviews. The next step was the Premier League. I don't think he's been dumped in it too early at all, we've handled him well imo. He's just not good enough for this level at the moment. Absolutely. He did well at every level and deserved his chance in the Premiership. Not every player who looks decent at Championship level will make the step up, but some will. TP had to give him a chance otherwise we could have had another Marshall situation on our hands. As it turns out, he isn't quite good enough. Sell him for 750k now and everyone's a winner really aren't they? Yep, that's about it. It doesn't always work out, he's had a year to show what he can do and he doesn't look up to the standard anywhere on the pitch. Hopefully he'll rediscover his form in the Championship and have a decent career. I don't see the need for going way, way over the top in the criticism of him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 20:48:20 GMT
Agree good luck though to be honest he has had plenty of that, he has been aloud to play competitive football in what is reportedly one of the best leagues in the world by Stoke. Players such as Marshall and Ben Foster were not given as many if any opportunities to represent the club at first team level in the league, both arguably had better credentials than Shotton both were dispatched by Pulis. I honestly do not think this lad will ever kick a ball in the Premiere League for the rest of his footballing career, he is not now and likely never will be to play at that level. I know, You're preaching at the wrong one here! Although I do think it was right with Foster, we had better 'keepers at the time and the money we got for him helped us get promoted. Nor do I in all honesty but stranger things have happened. On reflection I never really considered the use of the funds from the Foster sale being utilized to help boost our promotion push, still can not accept that Shotton was given the opportunity to grace the Premiere League whilst others such as Marshall were not and appeared to be pushed out of the door. I have watched RS from a fairly young age due to family connections at the club at youth level only I am no ITK'r , he started out as a striker and quite use full at a young age though I always thought that he carried some baggage that would hinder him at a later age which in hindsight seems to have come to fruition. I state my belief again I do not be live he has the attributes to play and conduct himself at a Premiership level.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 20:50:03 GMT
Time to get rid of the arrogant talentless tosser! The blokes trouble, and the last thing we need is him in our squad. I see that you have to have met Mr Shotton then, I would concur 100% in your summing up, time to move him out for all concerened. Watched his brother play the other week aswell for darcys, after getting fouled he jumped up and asked the defender if he knew who he was? Two minutes later Liam was on his arse virtually in tears clutching his knee, defender replied your wank like your brother now fuck off! That's one way of dealing with him I suppose ;D
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Post by knype on Aug 29, 2012 20:51:53 GMT
I cannot see Ryan Shotton honestly making a premiership football player for anyone, he just does not have it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 20:59:39 GMT
I cannot see Ryan Shotton honestly making a premiership football player for anyone, he just does not have it. Agreed 100%, the scariest thing about all this is TP and others at the club actually thought he was talented enough to represent our club at this level.
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Post by rubyonrails on Aug 29, 2012 20:59:57 GMT
This is a win-win if true.
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Post by themightyragnar on Aug 29, 2012 21:51:19 GMT
So the general opion is that the lad is over paid, over rated (by TP), dragging bagage around (?) and has an atititude.
Why play the lad where he is obviously out of his depth (RB). are we going to rely on JP on the right wing this season.
I'm no lover or hater of RS but I thought that Tommy had a howler, should have went 3 at the back, waiting 74 mins before a change(?) and starting eleven last night (stayed to the bitter end unlike lots of others).
Is the lad worthy of all the critic.
It's not in defence but a genuine question.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 22:07:41 GMT
So the general opion is that the lad is over paid, over rated (by TP), dragging bagage around (?) and has an atititude. Why play the lad where he is obviously out of his depth (RB). are we going to rely on JP on the right wing this season. I'm no lover or hater of RS but I thought that Tommy had a howler, should have went 3 at the back, waiting 74 mins before a change(?) and starting eleven last night (stayed to the bitter end unlike lots of others). Is the lad worthy of all the critic. It's not in defence but a genuine question. Ask the manager why he played him after Sunday ! yes hopefully JP will play RW all season if fit again down to TP, yes Tommy had a howler(but so did a few more including RS), the manager dictates the tactics, I would say he his overpaid, overate by some at the club, has baggage (allegedly) and yes worthy of critisism does that help? well done for staying to the end.
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