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Post by reggio27 on Aug 19, 2012 13:33:55 GMT
Hi Guys.
Have spent the last few seasons following the discussions on here and thought I would offer my 2 pence worth!
Have to say I was slightly disappointed with yesterdays outcome. A point before the game would have been a good return but to concede late is always a bit of a kick in the teeth. Having said that it was still an away point against a side just promoted, who were looking at getting off to a good start in front of their own crowd. If it wasn't for one individual error we would have been talking a lot differently about the game. I think Pulis might look back at some of his substitutions yesterday with a bit of regret however for all of us who've played the game will know, it can be a players automatic reaction to drop deep with a few minutes remaining in order to defend a lead. Therefor while he probably didn't help matters Pulis is not solely responsible for letting the lead slip.
My main reason for posting is the response and the 'baying for blood' which so often appears on here after every seemingly negative result. I know that its going to happen on every club site like this but some of the things which are said on here against players and manager, most of which have given their absolute all for the club can get a bit harsh. Some of the ones i'm thinking of are the likes of Delap,Whitehead and Walters all of whom generally put in 100% every game but are constantly ones which get criticised. I know they are not the most technically gifted players but they always give their all and for me I would rather have those kind of players at my club. Yesterday Whitehead, who I thought was one one of our best players last season, had to be fair, a bit of a shocker and to round things off was responsible for giving away a penalty and ultimately the equaliser. However instead of it being put down as a bad day at the office it was met with a reaction worthy of someone who had caused some kind of atrocity! I know that I will probably be hit with 'I pay to watch the team,so I have the right to voice my frustration' which I do agree with . However surely a level headed reaction to a result and nothing more than a clumsy individual error isn't out of the question? A draw really wasn't the end of the world. Yes we have spent a few million however that was a neccessity to stay in the division and does give us a divine right to go and beat any team away in the league.
My next point is about our guy Pulis. I won't lie he doesn't half infuriate me sometimes and some of his tactics, personal and substitutions are quite frankly baffling at times. However this is someone who genuinely loves the club. He is someone whose Mum died but did not stop him from returning and inspiring the team to come back and beat Villa. Now that displayed unbelievable courage and commitment to the team that I doubt any manager in the country would have shown. Such a thing sadly seems to be forgotten by many who simply won't be happy until he has gone. Quite what else he needs to do is beyond me. Not only has he taken us back into the top flight but he has kept us there,took us to an FA cup and into Europe. I would like to know who else could have done that. Yes he is guilty of some dodgy signings but Ferguson bought Bebe, Wenger purchased Francis Jeffers and Mourinho splashed out on Kezman..in short everyone has done it.
I'm certainly not 'a Pulis lover' but I have a lot of respect for the man who has taken us into the most exciting era this club has experienced in a long time and he really deserves more than some of the ridiculous knee jerk bashing that seems to appear so often.
The club are in such a great period at the moment yet for some its not enough. Like i've said everyone is entitled to their own opinion however more level headed reaction to such slight negativity during great times surely isn't out of the question?
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Post by reggio27 on Aug 19, 2012 13:34:42 GMT
Sorry for the essay....it didn't look that much!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 19, 2012 13:35:36 GMT
Welcome to the "middle ground" club. It's a fairly small club on here but the view is excellent!  |
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Aug 19, 2012 13:38:23 GMT
Great post Reggie  |
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Post by gibby1409 on Aug 19, 2012 13:45:30 GMT
Welcome to the "middle ground" club. It's a fairly small club on here but the view is excellent! And we're always right Jamo! |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 19, 2012 13:47:52 GMT
Welcome to the "middle ground" club. It's a fairly small club on here but the view is excellent! And we're always right Jamo! Absolutely! |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 19, 2012 13:59:14 GMT
Spot on post there is or should never be any doubt over TPs commitment.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 19, 2012 14:14:22 GMT
I agree with pretty much everything you've said here, whilst i think TP is the problem i'm also realising its nothing a talented number 2 could help sort out. If Pulis hired a tactically astute number 2 who could do 'attractive football' and leave Pulis to what he's good at, defending and team moral. Think we could go quite a bit further. In the grand scheme of things were not that far outside i top half finish, and i also don't think were that close to relegation. On the whole, yes he does infuriate me however what he's done for the club is nothing short of fantastic, his substitutes at times are baffling but if he'd have brought on exactly the same subs and Delap, Jerome or Palacios had scored to take us 2-0 he would have been a tactical genius its a fine line and as you say a lot of people on the board need a more measured aspect of what he's actually done/doing for us.
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Post by RAF on Aug 19, 2012 14:16:47 GMT
I agree with pretty much everything you've said here, whilst i think TP is the problem i'm also realising its nothing a talented number 2 could help sort out. If Pulis hired a tactically astute number 2 who could do 'attractive football' and leave Pulis to what he's good at, defending and team moral. Think we could go quite a bit further. In the grand scheme of things were not that far outside i top half finish, and i also don't think were that close to relegation. On the whole, yes he does infuriate me however what he's done for the club is nothing short of fantastic, his substitutes at times are baffling but if he'd have brought on exactly the same subs and Delap, Jerome or Palacios had scored to take us 2-0 he would have been a tactical genius its a fine line and as you say a lot of people on the board need a more measured aspect of what he's actually done/doing for us. He won't do that because it's his way or the highway. That is why he employs simpering 'yes' men like Dave Kemp. The theory is there with your suggestion, in practice it's never going to happen. H |
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 19, 2012 14:18:23 GMT
I agree with pretty much everything you've said here, whilst i think TP is the problem i'm also realising its nothing a talented number 2 could help sort out. If Pulis hired a tactically astute number 2 who could do 'attractive football' and leave Pulis to what he's good at, defending and team moral. Think we could go quite a bit further. In the grand scheme of things were not that far outside i top half finish, and i also don't think were that close to relegation. On the whole, yes he does infuriate me however what he's done for the club is nothing short of fantastic, his substitutes at times are baffling but if he'd have brought on exactly the same subs and Delap, Jerome or Palacios had scored to take us 2-0 he would have been a tactical genius its a fine line and as you say a lot of people on the board need a more measured aspect of what he's actually done/doing for us. He won't do that because it's his way or the highway. That is why he employs simpering 'yes' men like Dave Kemp. The theory is there with your suggestion, in practice it's never going to happen. H I know in practice it'll never happen. However, imagine if it did?! |
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Post by mozzer on Aug 19, 2012 14:20:07 GMT
A great post and a totally balanced view....not always pretty to watch some times damned infuriating, managerial decisions that are baffling bordering on stubborn but we have never been in a dog fight at the bottom or been under any threat of being relegated, we have been to places in the football world that I never thought I would see in my lifetime and I look forward to the chance of enjoying lots more, some of the people on here think we should have become an English Barcelona since we have been in the Prem.
The loudest voice should belong to 10-12K who turned up every week when we truly were a shit outfit, I know there is a lot of them people raising their voices of discontentment currently at the manager and his tactics but ask the majority of them where they are glad to be and I know the answer they will give.
Hartlepool, Bournemouth, Brentford, Leyton Orient, Bury, Chester, Walsall but to name a very very small few of grounds I have visited as a Stoke fan of many a year....I know where I am glad to be and I know the people to thank.
Not always happy, never always entertained but eternally grateful.
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Post by RAF on Aug 19, 2012 14:20:29 GMT
He won't do that because it's his way or the highway. That is why he employs simpering 'yes' men like Dave Kemp. The theory is there with your suggestion, in practice it's never going to happen. H I know in practice it'll never happen. However, imagine if it did?! It could be the key to a top ten finish at least. H |
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Post by stokelad84 on Aug 19, 2012 14:30:32 GMT
Good post reggio
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Post by mikeyc on Aug 19, 2012 14:30:36 GMT
The club are in such a great period at the moment yet for some its not enough. Like i've said everyone is entitled to their own opinion however more level headed reaction to such slight negativity during great times surely isn't out of the question? Reggio, Excellent post. Criticism of particular decisions is fine, but there do seem to be a lot of people who launch into over-the-top abuse of Stoke management and players at the first opportunity. Stoke are a mid-table premiership side - win some, lose some, which means in some games decisions such as substitutions work and in others similar decisions don't, |
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Post by frasier99 on Aug 19, 2012 14:31:09 GMT
I know in practice it'll never happen. However, imagine if it did?! It could be the key to a top ten finish at least. H only if you added a number 3, 6, 11 & 9 ;D |
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Post by frasier99 on Aug 19, 2012 14:32:30 GMT
it is a good post but, i could still argue with it ;D |
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 19, 2012 14:59:09 GMT
It could be the key to a top ten finish at least. H only if you added a number 3, 6, 11 & 9 ;D If we added these, first i think ill feint, but in all seriousness we could be looking at Europe through the league  |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 19, 2012 15:05:09 GMT
The problem with being too content with what you have is you will never improve. Life itself is based on adapt or die. I don't want Pulis out, but I would like to see him develop Stoke into being a top half team with all that goes with it
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Post by alster on Aug 19, 2012 15:12:58 GMT
The club are in such a great period at the moment yet for some its not enough. Like i've said everyone is entitled to their own opinion however more level headed reaction to such slight negativity during great times surely isn't out of the question? Reggio, Excellent post. Criticism of particular decisions is fine, but there do seem to be a lot of people who launch into over-the-top abuse of Stoke management and players at the first opportunity. Stoke are a mid-table premiership side - win some, lose some, which means in some games decisions such as substitutions work and in others similar decisions don't, The football is generally shit whether we win lose or draw. The manager is a negative twat who plays anti football. Its vile to watch, I fookin hate it. Is that clear and unambiguous enough for you. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 19, 2012 15:14:35 GMT
Come on alster don't sit on the fence!
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Post by reggio27 on Aug 19, 2012 15:15:27 GMT
Cheers guys.
I know what you mean about not wanting to stand still.Personally I think a top 10 is certainly achievable given the quality of sides in the league at the moment.However with anything good theres always the case of wanting more. If a top 10 finish is achieved where do you go then? What would the fans want,top 8,top 6? A club of Stokes size can surely only go so far without a huge financial backer.
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Post by alster on Aug 19, 2012 15:17:20 GMT
Cheers guys. I know what you mean about not wanting to stand still.Personally I think a top 10 is certainly achievable given the quality of sides in the league at the moment.However with anything good theres always the case of wanting more. If a top 10 finish is achieved where do you go then? What would the fans want,top 8,top 6? A club of Stokes size can surely only go so far without a huge financial backer. Be nice to finish anywhere from 17th up without every game being a borefest. |
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Post by wingy11 on Aug 19, 2012 15:19:18 GMT
Reggio, Excellent post. Criticism of particular decisions is fine, but there do seem to be a lot of people who launch into over-the-top abuse of Stoke management and players at the first opportunity. Stoke are a mid-table premiership side - win some, lose some, which means in some games decisions such as substitutions work and in others similar decisions don't, The football is generally shit whether we win lose or draw. The manager is a negative twat who plays anti football. Its vile to watch, I fookin hate it. Is that clear and unambiguous enough for you. Totally agree, its shit to watch and the reason we cant attract good footballers to the team |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 19, 2012 15:20:01 GMT
Cheers guys. I know what you mean about not wanting to stand still.Personally I think a top 10 is certainly achievable given the quality of sides in the league at the moment.However with anything good theres always the case of wanting more. If a top 10 finish is achieved where do you go then? What would the fans want,top 8,top 6? A club of Stokes size can surely only go so far without a huge financial backer. top half with good cup runs, occasional Europe adventure, some good results against one or two top teams, secure Premier League place, Could settle for that for many years ;D |
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Post by frasier99 on Aug 19, 2012 16:19:40 GMT
Cheers guys. I know what you mean about not wanting to stand still.Personally I think a top 10 is certainly achievable given the quality of sides in the league at the moment.However with anything good theres always the case of wanting more. If a top 10 finish is achieved where do you go then? What would the fans want,top 8,top 6? A club of Stokes size can surely only go so far without a huge financial backer. Be nice to finish anywhere from 17th up without every game being a borefest. Yep |
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Post by DentySCFC on Aug 19, 2012 16:30:06 GMT
The football is generally shit whether we win lose or draw. The manager is a negative twat who plays anti football. Its vile to watch, I fookin hate it. Is that clear and unambiguous enough for you. Totally agree, its shit to watch and the reason we cant attract good footballers to the team Crouch, Pennant, Etherington and Kightly are all shit footballers then. |
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Post by reggio27 on Aug 19, 2012 17:01:35 GMT
Coupled with probably the best centre back partnership outside the top 4. Our players really aren't that bad at all really. To be the 14th best team in the country will do for me. Admittedly the style of football is never that great but that is Pulis' way. Defensive but gritty and determined football.
I have to say I think Pulis has done superbly well to get the players in that he his. Selling Stoke as a whole package must be a pretty hard job.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Aug 19, 2012 17:16:56 GMT
Very good post - agree with most of it.
Basicly TP is not the type of person who wins supporters over and becomes universally popular; he might win respect but that's about it.
One of his biggest challenges is to manage the supporters expectations
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Post by luke45 on Aug 19, 2012 17:59:41 GMT
The football is generally shit whether we win lose or draw. The manager is a negative twat who plays anti football. Its vile to watch, I fookin hate it. Is that clear and unambiguous enough for you. Totally agree, its shit to watch and the reason we cant attract good footballers to the team Do you honestly think that is the reason we can't attract certain players? Only one thing influences the transfers of most modern day footballers. Money. The vast majority don't care where they are going and what brand of football is being played providing the wages meet their needs. We wont pay above the odds, and rightly so as far as I'm concerned, because it's far more important the club are financially stable for years to come. Take Rodallega for example, Pulis has been a long-term admirer of him, but Fulham offered to pay him 70K a week, do you think we should pay the likes of Rodallega that sort of money? I don't. Agree with everything reggio has said in the original post by the way. Good post. |
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Post by alster on Aug 19, 2012 18:07:46 GMT
Totally agree, its shit to watch and the reason we cant attract good footballers to the team Do you honestly think that is the reason we can't attract certain players? Only one thing influences the transfers of most modern day footballers. Money. The vast majority don't care where they are going and what brand of football is being played providing the wages meet their needs. We wont pay above the odds, and rightly so as far as I'm concerned, because it's far more important the club are financially stable for years to come. Take Rodallega for example, Pulis has been a long-term admirer of him, but Fulham offered to pay him 70K a week, do you think we should pay the likes of Rodallega that sort of money? I don't. Agree with everything reggio has said in the original post by the way. Good post. I'm not sure but are you actually trying to say the shite football we play is dictated by our wage structure? |
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