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Post by jarvinski on Aug 19, 2012 12:37:49 GMT
Whelan and whitehead are the luckiest people in the world to be playing premier league football Whelan couldnt pass a pub and whitehead is totally undisciplined and a liability in his own penalty area for fucks sake pulis get some quality in
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Post by werrington on Aug 19, 2012 12:44:09 GMT
Here we go again!!
Anybody else feel like a hamster on a wheel and cant get off ?
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Post by Big J on Aug 19, 2012 12:45:44 GMT
When Whitehead doesn't play, we miss him in the middle.
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Post by LphPotter on Aug 19, 2012 12:47:54 GMT
whitehead is good, discipline lets him down though
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Post by StokieMatt on Aug 19, 2012 12:49:46 GMT
This moaning is getting tedious now
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Post by RAF on Aug 19, 2012 12:50:33 GMT
This moaning is getting tedious now Don't read it then H
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Post by Big J on Aug 19, 2012 12:51:07 GMT
This moaning is getting tedious now Don't read it then H It's not exactly easy to avoid...
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Post by RAF on Aug 19, 2012 12:53:10 GMT
It's not exactly easy to avoid... Don't log on, simple. H
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Post by borat on Aug 19, 2012 12:53:13 GMT
Whelan isn't as bad as people make out, he crossed for the goal yesterday but I still can't believe he starts most games after all these years. We easily have the worst Central midfield in the league.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 19, 2012 12:55:52 GMT
Neither are good enough for the PL Whitehead is an athlete not a footballer and Whelan is Championship quality. I have confidence that Cameron will work out and I just hope Palacios can get fit and play regularly. I believe we need desperately a tried and trusted CM so we can let at least one of W or W go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 12:57:30 GMT
They are both very limited footballers! Especially whitehead, give the bloke a football and he really is clueless, the bloke as a superb engine, gives 110% every time and will put his body on the line, but I'm afraid as a footballer he is clueless
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Post by march4 on Aug 19, 2012 12:57:36 GMT
It's not exactly easy to avoid... Don't log on, simple. H It's not the majority though is it RAF who criticise and praise when they see fit. It is the ones who moan, moan and moan. Is it time to reveal the poster who wants us to be relegated?
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Aug 19, 2012 12:57:59 GMT
Whelan had a decent game yesterday, was one of very few who at least attempted to pass it!
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Post by rockhead163 on Aug 19, 2012 12:59:21 GMT
The midfield got blamed or yesterday but did anyone notice that Crouch couldn't lay a three yard pass off all afternoon, always giving possession away. The middle of the park is always limited under TP but when the forward line give it away even more than they do we are onto a hiding from he moaners.
In my opinion yesterday, apart from the first 15 minutes we made them look like a championship club without us doing anything special but it was TP's tactics at the end of the game that has cost us yet again, not the lack of ability of our central players.
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Post by RAF on Aug 19, 2012 13:00:27 GMT
Our central midfield is the worst in the Premiership bar none.
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Post by rockhead163 on Aug 19, 2012 13:06:59 GMT
No doubting that RAF but the tactics screw us over most the time.
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Post by RAF on Aug 19, 2012 13:09:28 GMT
No doubting that RAF but the tactics screw us over most the time. True. What is infuriating is that when Pulis gets it right we play some really good football, even with Whithead playing. He is just so scared of doing it. H
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Post by stackman on Aug 19, 2012 13:17:55 GMT
I do get frustrated when I hear Swansea have signed a midfielder who scored 15 goals last year in La Liga for 2 million and he scored two yesterday, I mean why aernt we looking at these type of players? How many goals did we score from midfield last season? This is what winds me up. Defence will always be good but it's the midfield every time
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Post by luke45 on Aug 19, 2012 13:30:07 GMT
Whitehead was one of the most consistent performers last season and I think he will be again this season. One bad game and people can't wait to jump on his back. He received 8 yellow cards and 0 red cards in 45 appearances last season, it's hardly the sign of a player who totally lacks discipline and is a liability in his own area is it?
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Post by sportsman on Aug 19, 2012 13:36:56 GMT
Doesn't Tone get even slightly embarrassed knowing that we have and have had the worse centre midfield in the prem for years? We stayed up but imagine if we got in better players!! Simple
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 13:37:12 GMT
Your right Luke whitehead Is consistent! He wins the ball, he loses the ball, he wins the ball, he loses the ball and so on! Thats all he does
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 19, 2012 13:39:52 GMT
Whitehead was one of the most consistent performers last season and I think he will be again this season. One bad game and people can't wait to jump on his back. He received 8 yellow cards and 0 red cards in 45 appearances last season, it's hardly the sign of a player who totally lacks discipline and is a liability in his own area is it? The thing is other than chase what does he do. I know we play a certain way but we need someone who does lot more than chase. I'm not saying he doesn't try but he can't pass shoot or score. We need more than he offers to move on. If we keep possession we won't need to be constantly looking to get the ball back.
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Post by RAF on Aug 19, 2012 13:41:35 GMT
Whitehead was one of the most consistent performers last season and I think he will be again this season. One bad game and people can't wait to jump on his back. He received 8 yellow cards and 0 red cards in 45 appearances last season, it's hardly the sign of a player who totally lacks discipline and is a liability in his own area is it? You don't get yellow or red cards for incomplete passes, missed tackles and general shitness either H
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Post by luke45 on Aug 19, 2012 13:47:39 GMT
Whitehead was one of the most consistent performers last season and I think he will be again this season. One bad game and people can't wait to jump on his back. He received 8 yellow cards and 0 red cards in 45 appearances last season, it's hardly the sign of a player who totally lacks discipline and is a liability in his own area is it? The thing is other than chase what does he do. I know we play a certain way but we need someone who does lot more than chase. I'm not saying he doesn't try but he can't pass shoot or score. We need more than he offers to move on. If we keep possession we won't need to be constantly looking to get the ball back. He does what is required in a Tony Pulis team better than any other central midfielder at the club. The central midfielders primary task is to operate in a caged system and break play up and add protection to the back four. We aren't going to sign an attacking minded playmaker under Pulis, it wont happen. I don't disagree that Whitehead's passing and shooting is poor, but in the system we play the central midfielders rarely cross the half-way line anyway. A goalscoring central midfielder with good distribution would be largely wasted in the system we play, that's the sad reality of it.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 19, 2012 13:48:39 GMT
Doesn't Tone get even slightly embarrassed knowing that we have and have had the worse centre midfield in the prem for years? We stayed up but imagine if we got in better players!! Simple www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/30000aweek-deal-for-whelan-2987490.htmlDoesn't look like it! But I am intrigued about why Whitehead hasn't got a new deal yet with only 10 months left on his deal
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 19, 2012 13:55:07 GMT
The thing is other than chase what does he do. I know we play a certain way but we need someone who does lot more than chase. I'm not saying he doesn't try but he can't pass shoot or score. We need more than he offers to move on. If we keep possession we won't need to be constantly looking to get the ball back. He does what is required in a Tony Pulis team better than any other central midfielder at the club. The central midfielders primary task is to operate in a caged system and break play up and add protection to the back four. We aren't going to sign an attacking minded playmaker under Pulis, it wont happen. I don't disagree that Whitehead's passing and shooting is poor, but in the system we play the central midfielders rarely cross the half-way line anyway. A goalscoring central midfielder with good distribution would be largely wasted in the system we play, that's the sad reality of it. I'm not denying that someone like Adam is not what we need but any footballer should beable to do do the basics but ours and in particular DW seem to struggle to pass the ball over 5 yards.
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Post by smigchop on Aug 19, 2012 13:55:19 GMT
The thing is Whelan whilst not amazing can be a tidy little player and often shows it for Ireland. But sometimes he fucks up the most easy basic passes! Our midfield make so few passes that when they do they are under massive pressure imo. Being ridiculously inconsistent does not help either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 19, 2012 13:57:20 GMT
Doesn't Tone get even slightly embarrassed knowing that we have and have had the worse centre midfield in the prem for years? We stayed up but imagine if we got in better players!! Simple www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/30000aweek-deal-for-whelan-2987490.htmlDoesn't look like it! But I am intrigued about why Whitehead hasn't got a new deal yet with only 10 months left on his deal He's been in and out of the side since he got here really. I don't rate him, never have done and I never will. He plays football like a dog fetching a stick. Lose and retrieve, repeat until anger and frustration sets in.
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Post by luke45 on Aug 19, 2012 14:00:21 GMT
He does what is required in a Tony Pulis team better than any other central midfielder at the club. The central midfielders primary task is to operate in a caged system and break play up and add protection to the back four. We aren't going to sign an attacking minded playmaker under Pulis, it wont happen. I don't disagree that Whitehead's passing and shooting is poor, but in the system we play the central midfielders rarely cross the half-way line anyway. A goalscoring central midfielder with good distribution would be largely wasted in the system we play, that's the sad reality of it. I'm not denying that someone like Adam is not what we need but any footballer should beable to do do the basics but ours and in particular DW seem to struggle to pass the ball over 5 yards. As I say, I'm not going to disagree with you that his distribution isn't as good as it should be, but I do think he's the most effective central midfielder at the club in terms of what they're required to do under Pulis. He's the first central midfielder on the team sheet as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by RAF on Aug 19, 2012 14:01:34 GMT
I'm not denying that someone like Adam is not what we need but any footballer should beable to do do the basics but ours and in particular DW seem to struggle to pass the ball over 5 yards. As I say, I'm not going to disagree with you that his distribution isn't as good as it should be, but I do think he's the most effective central midfielder at the club in terms of what they're required to do under Pulis. He's the first central midfielder on the team sheet as far as I'm concerned. Considering the options that's hardly a glowing recommendation though is it? H
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