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Post by gb on Aug 15, 2012 16:42:39 GMT
PORT Vale supporters have been warned the stricken club will receive no further subsidy from taxpayers – even if they are faced with liquidation. Stoke-on-Trent City Council's has ruled out any more public funding for the club as efforts to sell the club continue.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Aug 15, 2012 19:23:34 GMT
Could be, no one involved has the money to do the two things vale need 1. pay off the debts and 2. invest in the club
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Post by march4 on Aug 15, 2012 19:31:40 GMT
Could be, no one involved has the money to do the two things vale need 1. pay off the debts and 2. invest in the club I did predict this a few months ago JSU. This bid for the club just didn't add up. Vale fans seem to think that Caudwell's brother will save them - who knows. They certainly aren't going to get their hands on my money. ;D |
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Post by vote for pedro on Aug 15, 2012 19:35:03 GMT
What happened to thier 2 biggest fans?
Robbie Williams doesn't want them
Phil Taylor was at a Stoke match last time I saw him!
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Aug 15, 2012 19:37:21 GMT
Finger crossed
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Post by march4 on Aug 15, 2012 19:39:03 GMT
When the council decided the ground was too unsafe to use, the supporters club asked Vale fans to volunteer to help with repairs. How many of Vale's hoards of fans turned up - 17 !!!
There is a story that staff and visitors are told to take their own toilet paper with them whilst at the ground because the club can't afford to provide any if you are caught short.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 19:41:24 GMT
If PVFC had never existed then we would be a big club.
If PVFC go out of existence then we will be a big club in 20 or so years.
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Post by march4 on Aug 15, 2012 19:43:58 GMT
If PVFC had never existed then we would be a big club. If PVFC go out of existence then we will be a big club in 20 or so years. It is true that in periods when Vale/Crewe have been weak, SCFC have been strong and vice versa. |
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Post by mozzer on Aug 15, 2012 19:44:43 GMT
The council are in a no win situation, if they let them die and disappear they will get blasted by the vagrants and if they pump more money in they will get blasted by the rest of Stoke on Trent's rate payers, at the end of the day it is a private business who in all honesty stand as much chance of making any cash in the next ten years as NASA finding life on Mars.
The council are cutting services and more importantly jobs in our area so how would the redundant workers feel who have been told that there is not enough cash to support their positions, all set against a backdrop of uncertainty and gloom whilst the country wades through the deepest pile of dog shit that we have experienced since the war.
£2.3 million, that is serious cash, £2.3m divided by 5079 (average attendance) = £452.85 per supporter, half of their council tax straight into the club they follow.
As a Stoke fan, rate payer, victim of council cuts, friend of affected council employees and a sound head in business matters I think enough is enough.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Aug 15, 2012 19:58:34 GMT
If PVFC had never existed then we would be a big club. If PVFC go out of existence then we will be a big club in 20 or so years. If Vale had never existed I don't think it would have made a lot of difference to Stoke. Sometimes local rivalries stimulate interest in the respective clubs. |
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Post by deathrowtechno on Aug 15, 2012 20:15:09 GMT
Hope so
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Post by gregstokie on Aug 15, 2012 20:17:13 GMT
You could argue Vale are already no more
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Post by klute2011 on Aug 15, 2012 20:23:38 GMT
Think it would be a sad day if Port vale FC went down the pan (No pun intended..........honest)
We may hate how some of their fans reacted when they were above us for a season or tow, but to be honest, I feel very sorry for them. And not all their fans are boneheads.
I hate to see any clubs go out of business in this "Sport" of ours, a sport where RVP can pick up enoughwges in 8 weeks at Man Utd., to pay to keep either the Vale or Portsmouth going for 12 months.
I dont and never have got this rivalry thing. Theyre neighbours and its quite sad weve stood by and done nothing to help. I know a lot of the blame lies with their squabbling owners and supporters groups, but do you really take any pleasure for seeing a club like the Vale slide into oblivion.
Give me a snotty nosed, dirty kneed 5 year old Vale Fan in his 3 year old vale top anytime over a similar aged kid, from anywhere in the potteries, in his Man Utd Top.
It could have been us. I hope they survive !
GOAAAARNNNN STOKE !!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 21:22:39 GMT
Think it would be a sad day if Port vale FC went down the pan (No pun intended..........honest) We may hate how some of their fans reacted when they were above us for a season or tow, but to be honest, I feel very sorry for them. And not all their fans are boneheads. I hate to see any clubs go out of business in this "Sport" of ours, a sport where RVP can pick up enoughwges in 8 weeks at Man Utd., to pay to keep either the Vale or Portsmouth going for 12 months. I dont and never have got this rivalry thing. Theyre neighbours and its quite sad weve stood by and done nothing to help. I know a lot of the blame lies with their squabbling owners and supporters groups, but do you really take any pleasure for seeing a club like the Vale slide into oblivion. Give me a snotty nosed, dirty kneed 5 year old Vale Fan in his 3 year old vale top anytime over a similar aged kid, from anywhere in the potteries, in his Man Utd Top. It could have been us. I hope they survive ! GOAAAARNNNN STOKE !!! A very fair minded and sporting post. It shows maturity and sportsmanship. Personally I hope they go out of business and Vale Park becomes a playground!!! |
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Post by knype on Aug 15, 2012 21:23:44 GMT
Think it would be a sad day if Port vale FC went down the pan (No pun intended..........honest) We may hate how some of their fans reacted when they were above us for a season or tow, but to be honest, I feel very sorry for them. And not all their fans are boneheads. I hate to see any clubs go out of business in this "Sport" of ours, a sport where RVP can pick up enoughwges in 8 weeks at Man Utd., to pay to keep either the Vale or Portsmouth going for 12 months. I dont and never have got this rivalry thing. Theyre neighbours and its quite sad weve stood by and done nothing to help. I know a lot of the blame lies with their squabbling owners and supporters groups, but do you really take any pleasure for seeing a club like the Vale slide into oblivion. Give me a snotty nosed, dirty kneed 5 year old Vale Fan in his 3 year old vale top anytime over a similar aged kid, from anywhere in the potteries, in his Man Utd Top. It could have been us. I hope they survive ! GOAAAARNNNN STOKE !!! I agree with what klute says.... |
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Post by oldpotter on Aug 15, 2012 21:32:30 GMT
I feel as sorry for them as they would for us.
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Post by swipers on Aug 15, 2012 21:36:34 GMT
I feel as sorry for them as they would for us. Me too... Fuck 'em ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by stokeloyal on Aug 15, 2012 22:17:04 GMT
We might need to fill in an extra corner to accommodate the ship jumping turn coats that will soon be pulling on the red and white.
Whilst i wouldn't be overly happy having there sort sat in our hallowed ground we might as well capitalize on it.
But yer fuck 'em one of a few clubs i would happily see go under. Maybe buy the ground off them for reserve games ... lick of paint, few stoke crests and a medical grade deep cleanse/ sanitation and it'd be good as new...
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Post by march4 on Aug 15, 2012 22:33:11 GMT
We might need to fill in an extra corner to accommodate the ship jumping turn coats that will soon be pulling on the red and white. Whilst i wouldn't be overly happy having there sort sat in our hallowed ground we might as well capitalize on it. But yer fuck 'em one of a few clubs i would happily see go under. Maybe buy the ground off them for reserve games ... lick of paint, few stoke crests and a medical grade deep cleanse/ sanitation and it'd be good as new... I think an awful lot of them are visiting already. |
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Aug 15, 2012 22:34:55 GMT
What happened to thier 2 biggest fans? Robbie Williams doesn't want them Phil Taylor was at a Stoke match last time I saw him! To be fair to RW, he's put a lot of his own money into the club with absolutely no chance of getting any back, he can't keep just giving them money to piss up the wall.. |
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Post by superstokie23 on Aug 15, 2012 22:40:40 GMT
Their happiness is based on how we get on rather than their own club. If we lost 5-0 and their lot lost 5-0, they'd be happy because we lost rather than be pissed off because of their own team's result
Pack of bitter bastards, good riddance
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Post by parttimelurker on Aug 15, 2012 22:46:14 GMT
Although I don't really want to see them go under I don't want them funded by my council tax. Other clubs survive in that division on lower gates, they are obviously spending more than they can afford. So if they go they have only themselves to blame.
Starve 'em Out..
Well that worked didn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 23:32:57 GMT
Ye I agree with Klute, a single loyal Valeite is worth infinitely more than the global population of gloryhunters combined.
If they go under it will be sad for the people who love that club, but the cold-hard reality is that it would benefit us, if not in the short-term then certainly in the long-term.
So ye, I hope they die.
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Post by Donkey Oaty on Aug 16, 2012 4:34:43 GMT
.. I mean for the Vale, I used to have some but since I saw that strip they played in against Burnley my sympathy has turned to apathy.
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Post by ti on Aug 16, 2012 6:15:47 GMT
I only ever have one of two emotions in respect of Port Vale at any one time. The first is disdain and the second is pretty much just schadenfreude.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 7:55:09 GMT
PORT Vale supporters have been warned the stricken club will receive no further subsidy from taxpayers – even if they are faced with liquidation. Stoke-on-Trent City Council's has ruled out any more public funding for the club as efforts to sell the club continue. Can not see the reason that they received public money in the first place, I do not recall public money been offered to help out the likes of Royal Doulton when they went into administration with the loss of thousands of local jobs , let this tin pot outfit with it's scummy fans go to rat shit they deserve nothing more. Some Vale joker on the Sentinel site was claiming that the Vile had a 30,000 supporter base, this he based on the attendance at AW final about eight years ago, fuckin deluded twat insisting that the use of public funds on a failing private business was justified for community reasons WTF there's only really 5,000 who really give a shit, business's fail when badly managed with a dwindling customer base and a poor product that's life Bye Vale shit. |
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Post by Do eet fer Paddock on Aug 16, 2012 8:17:49 GMT
In fairness, the council did help us out with the Brit, so I had no issues with them offering the initial loan to get the Lorne Street stand and hospitality facilities finished. What I have an issue with is the fans campaign to force the club into admin - a move that they knew would result in the city losing most of the £1.5m or whatever it was. You can bet your last quid that they won't be putting their hands in their pockets to refund tax payers.
So next time any Vale fans harp on about the council's involvement with our move to the Brit, be sure to remind them about this theft. Don't forget to also remind them how they murdered their own club with their ill considered Starve 'Em Out campaign, the stupid dickwits.
I have sympathy for those fair minded Vale fans who distanced themselves from the disgusting 'Bratt out' nonsense, but have only contempt for those involved with their simplistic grass is always greener attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 8:37:37 GMT
In fairness, the council did help us out with the Brit, so I had no issues with them offering the initial loan to get the Lorne Street stand and hospitality facilities finished. What I have an issue with is the fans campaign to force the club into admin - a move that they knew would result in the city losing most of the £1.5m or whatever it was. You can bet your last quid that they won't be putting their hands in their pockets to refund tax payers. So next time any Vale fans harp on about the council's involvement with our move to the Brit, be sure to remind them about this theft. Don't forget to also remind them how they murdered their own club with their ill considered Starve 'Em Out campaign, the stupid dickwits. I have sympathy for those fair minded Vale fans who distanced themselves from the disgusting 'Bratt out' nonsense, but have only contempt for those involved with their simplistic grass is always greener attitude. The money that the council invested in the Brit I belive was eventually re payed with interest/profit, let's see how much the Vile pay back and if a profit is to be made for the tax payers of the City, the situation they find themselves in is entirely of their own making (Board, Supporters), as the saying goes you make your bed you lie in it time to man up and stop hiding behind the administration process(for the second time). Fail have failed time to put an end to it. |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Aug 16, 2012 8:54:24 GMT
Getting the Vale out of it's initial hole by using ratepayers money as a medium/long term loan was perfectly OK by me*. The trick then was to put the house in order and cut the cloth to a level that was sustainable as a 4th tier club on 4 to 5,000 gates. Patently this was never done and our City fathers, in their infinite wisdom, decided to piss more good money after bad by further loans, write-off's and administration payments. In actual fact, after all the help they've received they're in a far worse state than ever, with no realistic chance of survival. Bob Young and his cronies don't come cheap and his assessment that he can keep the club afloat with regular 5,000 gates is simply pie-in-the-sky. It'll never happen and unless someone with real money comes into the club with a structured business plan, they're definitely up shit creek without a paddle. Time to pull the plug is long overdue IMHO. * My rates are paid to Staffs Moorlands!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 9:00:25 GMT
Getting the Vale out of it's initial hole by using ratepayers money as a medium/long term loan was perfectly OK by me*. The trick then was to put the house in order and cut the cloth to a level that was sustainable as a 4th tier club on 4 to 5,000 gates. Patently this was never done and our City fathers, in their infinite wisdom, decided to piss more good money after bad by further loans, write-off's and administration payments. In actual fact, after all the help they've received they're in a far worse state than ever, with no realistic chance of survival. Bob Young and his cronies don't come cheap and his assessment that he can keep the club afloat with regular 5,000 gates is simply pie-in-the-sky. It'll never happen and unless someone with real money comes into the club with a structured business plan, they're definitely up shit creek without a paddle. Time to pull the plug is long overdue IMHO. * My rates are paid to Staffs Moorlands! * My rates are paid to Staffs Moorlands! and mine thank god ! not sure why there has not been more questions from City ratepayers about this issue especially when the council are closing down public amenities(including care homes) due to lack of available funding, how does that work.  Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=post&thread=196901"e=3473271&page=1#ixzz23hK2t8r4 |
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