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Post by knowingeye on Jun 29, 2012 7:06:48 GMT
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Post by yamfan on Jun 29, 2012 7:27:33 GMT
Over 100 years of reserves at Hem Heath. They've capped the shafts and drift and built all over the old site. Underground will be flooded or filled with methane as the pumps were turned off as soon as the men were sent out of the pit. A crying shame, I for one would love to revisit Hem Heath's underground workings. I bet I'm not alone... |
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jun 29, 2012 7:29:15 GMT
There's a thousand years of coal under our feet in the UK, but they couldn't reopen the deep pits now it would cost too much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 22:29:11 GMT
I know it's not relevant to the thread , but my great uncle was killed whilst sinking a shaft at Hem Heath just after the war ...sorry just felt like mentioning it  |
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Post by elystokie on Jun 30, 2012 8:47:15 GMT
Obviously the price of gas is driving the use of coal higher, if the govt stick to their emissions policy quite a few coal powered stations are due to close in 2015, unnecessary policy in my view, but that's a different argument. Link below shows current UK demand and where the supply comes from, seems the wind turbines are having a good day  , their contribution is usually a lot closer to fuck all than it is atm  www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ |
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Post by mermaidsal on Jun 30, 2012 12:35:05 GMT
There's a thousand years of coal under our feet in the UK, but they couldn't reopen the deep pits now it would cost too much. Sounds right  So it's going to be filthy drift mining and dangerous footrills instead, like history going round in a circle. But if we COULD be self-sufficient for energy and are not, that's scandalous. |
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Post by salopstick on Jun 30, 2012 14:39:35 GMT
Ensuring all new builds had to have solar and ground heating systems for a start would ease the burden.
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jul 1, 2012 8:16:41 GMT
There's a thousand years of coal under our feet in the UK, but they couldn't reopen the deep pits now it would cost too much. Sounds right So it's going to be filthy drift mining and dangerous footrills instead, like history going round in a circle. But if we COULD be self-sufficient for energy and are not, that's scandalous. Thank good old Maggie Thatcher for that, she was more interested in allowing cheap imports(cheap at the time) than having our own energy supply. Can you imagine at the time of World War II,Britain having to depend on Russia for our energy supply? |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 1, 2012 14:16:39 GMT
Ensuring all new builds had to have solar and ground heating systems for a start would ease the burden. Bang on if this happened then we could start to make a small dent in demand at the least. We'll probably never reach a truly renewable energy source unless we manage to fuse the atom everything else (solar, wind, hydroelectric) doesn't produce enough or can't be relied on enough to satisfy demand. As the coal arguement it's the problem for this country that decisions to source energy resources like coal and gas from foreign suppliers is that you are subject to their costs which can initially cheap. I seem to recall we sourced coal from Poland in the past but there's nothing stopping Poland putting up the prices and cutting into the margins we think we are making. Another arguement could be that if the world goes to pot we've still got some resources under our feet. Expoilt other sources while the goings good but then keep ours hidden away for the rainy day. Don't think the government were clever enough to realize this when they closed the mines but you could use it as an argument for keeping them closed. |
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Post by yamfan on Jul 1, 2012 18:25:26 GMT
There's a thousand years of coal under our feet in the UK, but they couldn't reopen the deep pits now it would cost too much. The deep mined coal is the decent quality stuff that burns nice and hot. The Polish crap we imported was so inferior it cost millions changing the power stations so they could burn it, and maintainence costs spiralled as it left so much clinker behind. My old man gets free coal from his working days, gets anthracite beans and uses a Trianco boiler. The heat it produces is amazing and it leaves very little ash or clinker. I believe this coal comes from Wales (probably Point of Ayr Colliery) and is deep mined. The deeper the coal, generally the better quality it is. To go back to coal and be efficient I'd say the coal would need to be deep mined, not opencast muck. |
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jul 1, 2012 20:11:06 GMT
Point of Ayr was shut a long time ago, I think the stuff your dad has maybe comes from Tower colliery near Merthyr Tydfil, this was bought out by the miners themselves as a cooperative, they felt it had a future.
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Post by yamfan on Jul 1, 2012 22:20:20 GMT
Point of Ayr was shut a long time ago, I think the stuff your dad has maybe comes from Tower colliery near Merthyr Tydfil, this was bought out by the miners themselves as a cooperative, they felt it had a future. Cheers, didn't know that matey. I hope it pays massive dividends for them. Those Tory bastards ruined the Longton area when they closed Hem Heath and Florence. Maggie should have been slung down no1 shaft. |
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, their contribution is usually a lot closer to fuck all than it is atm 
So it's going to be filthy drift mining and dangerous footrills instead, like history going round in a circle. But if we COULD be self-sufficient for energy and are not, that's scandalous.
