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Post by Gods on Jun 20, 2012 13:23:03 GMT
Given the current state of the squad, if we finish any higher than 15th I'll be astonished. I will qualify my prediction, we need substantial investment (yet again) to avoid being in a battle. If Coates is happy to do that fair enough, I just can't see how this is a viable plan in the long term. You sound like you are getting brain-washed down there in South Wales mate. I'm sure the natives are giving it the large one after last season and won't miss an opportunity to knock a local boy made good in TP but I'd just sit tight, next season could be a long season one for Swansea too. They will be seeking the holy grail of "the next level" too, and although no one will have a clue what that is in most peoples mind it won't be a relegation battle which I suspect they will find themselves in.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 20, 2012 13:31:13 GMT
If we are in the bottom 3 come Xmas,its because we aint been very good with plan A,So will Pulis have a plan B to get us out of trouble?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 14:07:24 GMT
I haven't read any of the previous pages on this, but what a totally pointless post. Its like If my brother had a fanny he'd be my sister!! WTF and it gets 6 pages simple really........ no games for Stoke at the moment so people don't have anything to slag off TP for. to save them from their boredom from now until August they therefore invent hypothetical scenarios so they can continue with their berating anyway
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Post by swampmongrel on Jun 20, 2012 15:27:55 GMT
Why will we be in relegation trouble after taking our spending beyond £100million in four years? Anyone? OK I'll bite. First, as any fule knows transfer fees represents a relatively small portion of what PL clubs spend on playing resources. Our wage bill is amongst the lowest in the league www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9255617/Revealed-the-financial-health-of-the-Premier-League-laid-bare.html and it was lower than Blackburn and Bolton who both got relegated last season. Second,transfer figures get bandied around a lot but to put things in perspective over the same period as we've been in this league our competitors have spent: Sunderland £115m Blackburn £42m Wolves £53m Villa £140m Fulham £50m Wigan £60m Us £90m (All figures approx taken from www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb_GB1.html)We've spent more than some and less than others and we have to remember that we started this period with a threadbare Championship squad. The point is that we have spent a lot of money but the magnitude of our spending doesn't mean that we should automatically assume that we are safe from relegation. As others have said, it is a fact that the season will start with 12 clubs who should be worried about relegation and we're one of them. We're fortunate that PCs generosity gives us a bit of an advantage over some other clubs and newly promoted sides but our spending hasn't been of the sort of magnitude where we could discount the possibility of a poor run of form or bad luck through injuries seeing us get sucked into a relegation scrap. This isn't a defence of Pulis for everything he's done a lot of his signings that could be considered wasteful. It's just a statement of fact about the realities of this league.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 20, 2012 16:48:37 GMT
OK I'll bite. First, as any fule knows transfer fees represents a relatively small portion of what PL clubs spend on playing resources. Our wage bill is amongst the lowest in the league www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9255617/Revealed-the-financial-health-of-the-Premier-League-laid-bare.html and it was lower than Blackburn and Bolton who both got relegated last season. Second,transfer figures get bandied around a lot but to put things in perspective over the same period as we've been in this league our competitors have spent: Sunderland £115m Blackburn £42m Wolves £53m Villa £140m Fulham £50m Wigan £60m Us £90m (All figures approx taken from www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb_GB1.html)We've spent more than some and less than others and we have to remember that we started this period with a threadbare Championship squad. The point is that we have spent a lot of money but the magnitude of our spending doesn't mean that we should automatically assume that we are safe from relegation. As others have said, it is a fact that the season will start with 12 clubs who should be worried about relegation and we're one of them. We're fortunate that PCs generosity gives us a bit of an advantage over some other clubs and newly promoted sides but our spending hasn't been of the sort of magnitude where we could discount the possibility of a poor run of form or bad luck through injuries seeing us get sucked into a relegation scrap. This isn't a defence of Pulis for everything he's done a lot of his signings that could be considered wasteful. It's just a statement of fact about the realities of this league. Anyone? ??? ;D
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Jun 20, 2012 16:56:38 GMT
OK I'll bite. First, as any fule knows transfer fees represents a relatively small portion of what PL clubs spend on playing resources. Our wage bill is amongst the lowest in the league www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9255617/Revealed-the-financial-health-of-the-Premier-League-laid-bare.html and it was lower than Blackburn and Bolton who both got relegated last season. Second,transfer figures get bandied around a lot but to put things in perspective over the same period as we've been in this league our competitors have spent: Sunderland £115m Blackburn £42m Wolves £53m Villa £140m Fulham £50m Wigan £60m Us £90m (All figures approx taken from www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb_GB1.html)We've spent more than some and less than others and we have to remember that we started this period with a threadbare Championship squad. The point is that we have spent a lot of money but the magnitude of our spending doesn't mean that we should automatically assume that we are safe from relegation. As others have said, it is a fact that the season will start with 12 clubs who should be worried about relegation and we're one of them. We're fortunate that PCs generosity gives us a bit of an advantage over some other clubs and newly promoted sides but our spending hasn't been of the sort of magnitude where we could discount the possibility of a poor run of form or bad luck through injuries seeing us get sucked into a relegation scrap. This isn't a defence of Pulis for everything he's done a lot of his signings that could be considered wasteful. It's just a statement of fact about the realities of this league. don't let facts get in the way of a Pulis bashing thread mate On the income side does anyone know how much we've had off the prem in the 4 seasons to go against the spending on players is it £50 mill per year or more they say promotion is worth £90 mill ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 17:09:03 GMT
If we are in the bottom 3 by then which i honestly dont think we will be, the natives will turn. The crowd were getting frustrated last season. Suppose it depends on how much he spends and who on.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jun 20, 2012 18:29:56 GMT
On the income side does anyone know how much we've had off the prem in the 4 seasons to go against the spending on players is it £50 mill per year or more they say promotion is worth £90 mill ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? £90million is the minimum tv money a club will get from appearing in the Premier League. £60million for 1 season at the top, then 4 seasons of parachute payments in the Championship. But the figures will go up when the new deal comes into play.
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Post by alster on Jun 20, 2012 18:31:03 GMT
Believe it or not no.
Personally I'd get him in now thank him for his contribution and fook him off but for me if he starts the season he finishes it regardless. If we were doing shit at Christmas, I'd make a decision to sack him at the end of the season regardless of any upturn. Nothing to do with Pulis, I just think changing manager mid season is puddled.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 20, 2012 18:33:26 GMT
Believe it or not no. Personally I'd get him in now thank him for his contribution and fook him off but for me if he starts the season he finishes it regardless. If we were doing shit at Christmas, I'd make a decision to sack him at the end of the season regardless of any upturn. Nothing to do with Pulis, I just think changing manager mid season is puddled. And sacking a manager who restored us to the top flight, kept us comfortably there for longer than any of us expected, took us to our first ever FA Cup final, took us into Europe, etc etc...... .......thats not in the slightest bit puddled??!?!??!?! ??? ??? ???
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Post by jarhead on Jun 20, 2012 18:34:59 GMT
Yes but he should go now the negative tool!!!
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Post by stokelad84 on Jun 20, 2012 18:35:37 GMT
Very puddles foxysgloves.
What impression does that send out to the rest of the football world? "If you meet the clubs targets you'll still be sacked."
Ace.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 20, 2012 18:42:49 GMT
Yes but he should go now the negative tool!!! Coming straight from a...... ......negative tool!!! Funny that!
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Post by stokieoldgit on Jun 20, 2012 19:20:54 GMT
If THE AGENDA got their way and raised a sufficient clamour for the manager to be sacked, that they got their wish.
Who would replace the most successful Stoke City manger since Tony Wadington?
In the forty two years as a supporter we have only had 3 good managers, that could be mentioned in the same breath. Tony Wadington Tony Pulis Lou Macari
Over that period we must have had 30 or so also rans.
So a little bit of simple maths would suggest we have a 1 in 10 chance of getting someone who is as good as the present incumbent and NO chance of getting anyone better.
Wadington also endured the occasional mediocre season or two and was criticised in similar fashion. It was however the sadist day in the clubs recent history, when he was hounded out.
The AGENDA may well succeed one day and we will be back in the wilderness for 30 years or so. The mediocrity of the past (league) season will pale, when we look forward to games against Vale and Crewe in the Auto-Glass Trophy and mid table tussles with Rochdale and Hartlepool.
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Post by stockportstokie on Jun 20, 2012 19:32:49 GMT
If THE AGENDA got their way and raised a sufficient clamour for the manager to be sacked, that they got their wish. Who would replace the most successful Stoke City manger since Tony Wadington? In the forty two years as a supporter we have only had 3 good managers, that could be mentioned in the same breath. Tony Wadington Tony Pulis Lou Macari Over that period we must have had 30 or so also rans. So a little bit of simple maths would suggest we have a 1 in 10 chance of getting someone who is as good as the present incumbent and NO chance of getting anyone better. Wadington also endured the occasional mediocre season or two and was criticised in similar fashion. It was however the sadist day in the clubs recent history, when he was hounded out. The AGENDA may well succeed one day and we will be back in the wilderness for 30 years or so. The mediocrity of the past (league) season will pale, when we look forward to games against Vale and Crewe in the Auto-Glass Trophy and mid table tussles with Rochdale and Hartlepool. ;D
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Post by stokeramblers on Jun 20, 2012 19:44:52 GMT
If I buy a dozen eggs and two are cracked...should Pulis be sacked?
My wife has taken the car and the kids and left for her Mother's house...should Pulis be sacked?
My boss at work has been stealing stationery, I have said nothing to his superiors about it...should Pulis be sacked?
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Post by Paddypotter on Jun 20, 2012 19:55:03 GMT
1. No, make an omelette. 2. No, either move or change locks before she returns. 3. If your boss is TP and is stealing aswell as his decisions have put Stoke in the bottom 3 you should both be sacked.
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Post by bettyswallox on Jun 20, 2012 19:57:31 GMT
If I buy a dozen eggs and two are cracked...should Pulis be sacked? My wife has taken the car and the kids and left for her Mother's house...should Pulis be sacked? My boss at work has been stealing stationery, I have said nothing to his superiors about it...should Pulis be sacked? That's nothing mate, someone stole our recycling bins the other night. Pulis out.
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Post by foster on Jun 20, 2012 19:58:28 GMT
I always check to see if any eggs are cracked before I buy them.
Pulis should get knighted.
Who doesn't take the odd bit of stationary.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jun 20, 2012 20:01:55 GMT
Thanks guys. So we're agreed, it's Dave Kitson's fault..
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Post by near on Jun 20, 2012 20:08:38 GMT
Who doesn't take the odd bit of stationary. I'm sure that Spurs won't have to order as many brown envelopes for next season now that Redknapp has gone...
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Post by stokies on Jun 20, 2012 20:15:26 GMT
There's only one thing funnier than these threads cropping up...
...People actually thinking Harry Redknapp would come to manage us...
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Post by stokieoldgit on Jun 20, 2012 20:35:32 GMT
If harry r was to manage stoke we would be in the same mess as pompy
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 20, 2012 20:36:56 GMT
Thanks guys. So we're agreed, it's Dave Kitson's fault.. Spot on! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by near on Jun 20, 2012 20:47:40 GMT
There's only one thing funnier than these threads cropping up... ...People actually thinking Harry Redknapp would come to manage us... I wouldn't costitute one as "people" ;D
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Post by stokieoldgit on Jun 21, 2012 12:20:34 GMT
Where did the agenda go?
Just deserted trenches here!
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Post by stokieoldgit on Jun 21, 2012 12:29:27 GMT
Waiting for another mindless AGENDA thread to open now.
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Post by RAF on Jun 21, 2012 12:32:42 GMT
If harry r was to manage stoke we would be in the same mess as pompy Classic. I'm surprised you haven't dredged up the Charlton myth while you are at it. H
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Post by RAF on Jun 21, 2012 12:36:02 GMT
Very puddles foxysgloves. What impression does that send out to the rest of the football world? "If you meet the clubs targets you'll still be sacked." Ace. So you are saying that the clubs target will be 3rd from bottom by December? How strange H
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 12:38:47 GMT
If harry r was to manage stoke we would be in the same mess as pompy Classic. I'm surprised you haven't dredged up the Charlton myth while you are at it. H RAF weren't you aware that Harry hasn't done anything or been a success anywhere since Pompey?
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